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Nuclear Unicorn

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65. If ANY president acted after an AUMF was publically requested and rejected

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 10:50 PM

Sep 2013

why would impeachment be beyond discussion? Impeachment would be a very natural discussion. There came a day when even the GOP could no longer stomach Nixon. I hope we would be the first to reject an imperial president.

And we aren't deciding between Obama or Putin. We aren't considering personalities at all, just the opposite. We don't care who says what, we care that this war is pointless and threatens to bring the very calamities it proposes to alleviate.

And for the record, the Russian lawmakers were coming to argue AGAINST our going to war. So that would put them in opposition to Obama whom you claim we should give more deference. I'm not sure of the nature of you complaint that congress declined to see them. I myself am thinking Boehner -- who supports the President -- was too humiliated to let them through the door.

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Give Obama a Fucking Break [View all] Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 OP

Quick !!! Duck !!! Get down now !!! jessie04 Sep 2013 #1

very classy Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #3

I was joking. jessie04 Sep 2013 #8

we need to stick together ! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #52

is your post serious? He is president with advisors out the wazoo. if he roguevalley Sep 2013 #94

Anybody Aerows Sep 2013 #142

i can't agree more roguevalley Sep 2013 #148

Try the sarcasm thing once in awhile Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #76

"Constructive, non-military ideas" don't exist in an empire of war Corruption Inc Sep 2013 #2

well, that really added to the discussion Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #4

it actually DID if you would really read it Skittles Sep 2013 #57

We lost Superman's cape Generic Other Sep 2013 #74

I read it (twice)....they are pretty much saying - no way, right? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #80

you really do need a drink Skittles Sep 2013 #86

Fuck, I need a drink Aerows Sep 2013 #112

Sanctions, Blockades, Bin Laden HIS ass, Smoke don't Drink !! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #180

I said this earlier - this should be it's own post. tecelote Sep 2013 #186

Take four minutes to watch this vid & you'll understand what the poster meant. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #212

Hopefully there can be some progress during the Summit and I agree with giving Obama a break Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #5

The summit has concluded and there was no progress. I will give him a break when he calls off totodeinhere Sep 2013 #77

Revenge bombing from the heart whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #6

And nothing says we don't give a shit.. jessie04 Sep 2013 #15

Yes we give a shit but this is a problem for the international community to solve, not us totodeinhere Sep 2013 #79

So why was the US govt totally okay with Saddam using chemical weapons against his own people and kath Sep 2013 #89

We and the rest of the UN countries should have acted then. It was wrong not to. phleshdef Sep 2013 #108

You're seriously blaming the UN for not acting??? polly7 Sep 2013 #117

Any time a sanctimonious Republican prick opens his or her HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #199

Where did Saddam Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2013 #210

Would cluster bombs meet with your approval? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #174

Apparently White Phosphorus and thermite are acceptable also warrant46 Sep 2013 #183

Well Naplam was just made illegal" to use on civilians by Barack Obama...However its still legal to Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #221

1,400 people died from the chemical attack. tecelote Sep 2013 #178

Did they? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #185

You can't give a bully a dozen roses and say play nice ..... MindMover Sep 2013 #71

Israel is welcome to take action Aerows Sep 2013 #116

Petition to end Geneva Conventions since you believe US shouldn't blm Sep 2013 #192

non-military? no idea. now who should be dealing with this? Arab League. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #7

And the last thing we need christx30 Sep 2013 #95

Well shit some people here say they already Iliyah Sep 2013 #144

Then I don't understand the rush christx30 Sep 2013 #175

How about the US fess up to our imperialism PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #9

I like that Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #22

I'd like a full head of hair, Woe !!!! excuse me, pigs are flying past... orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #182

+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #200

+ Infinity X Infinity! nt marew Sep 2013 #213

Oh good god ... polly7 Sep 2013 #10

Good analogy. eom Blanks Sep 2013 #21

Good Analogy? What? Makes not sense at all, to me Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #24

Exactly. It doesn't make sense. Blanks Sep 2013 #31

+1. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #36

Exactly, Polly. n/t Aerows Sep 2013 #120

Ty, Aerows. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #122

I don't get why Aerows Sep 2013 #125

I know, it makes no sense to me at all either. polly7 Sep 2013 #131

Makes as much fucking sense as dropping bombs that are guaranteed polly7 Sep 2013 #34

Why? Did people get all combative and ignore the question being asked in the Twilight Zone? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #51

Weddings are Especially Good Targets to Kill Entire Families HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #107

It's ridiculous Aerows Sep 2013 #127

Not a shock! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #113

I don't think it's a good analogy, either. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #149

...and bombing them is the only way to get them to stop? eom Blanks Sep 2013 #194

Is that supposed to be a reference to the Branch Davidians of Waco? JVS Sep 2013 #157

No. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #191

Strange coincidence. JVS Sep 2013 #197

I guess, as I never once considered WACO. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #198

Just because I have no idea what we should do in Syria does not mean we should bomb them. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #11

Good points, for sure. but, surely the best minds, in unity against Assad's atrocities can Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #28

That assumes there is something to come up with... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #48

Unity against his atrocities is a good idea. progressoid Sep 2013 #81

Oh my word Aerows Sep 2013 #128

See, you lose me, and probably a lot of other people when you talk about Al-Assad's atrocities AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #138

You know why JFK was so well regarded? Nevernose Sep 2013 #84

JFK and RFK almost alone against the war pigs! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #202

I agree with giving Obama a break! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2013 #12

I think Obama is really concerned about leaders using gas against their own people. lumpy Sep 2013 #13

true dat Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #29

Which is why he is Bombing Saudi Arabia next Week, right? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #109

Read my sigline GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #176

Yeah, I'm sure he's super torn up about 1% or less of the casualties of this war. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #141

So far, he's doing OK. kentuck Sep 2013 #14

"He wants to stop atrocity " - what, with a time machine? Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #16

Well, I hope you are not right about the motives. I do agree if we bomb them it opens up a Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #32

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #143

another motive questionseverything Sep 2013 #207

Sorry, it's absolutely necessary to see such things as lying, a "sell out", caving to the MIC... Silent3 Sep 2013 #17

... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #56

Since you asked... nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #18

Wow. That is a great post. Thank you! Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #19

I am hoping you are truly in the cabinet and are just so brilliant that you can multi-task nt Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #35

Nah, they would not let anybody who does not play nice with the power structure nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #62

You asked for non military suggestions and then senseandsensibility Sep 2013 #205

The surprising thing is that these suggestions are relatively unrecognized as an alternative to bomb dkf Sep 2013 #83

I fear it is because people are suffering from beaten wife syndrome nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #91

.. Itself a Form of Conditioned Helplessness, Which Leads to the Milgram Experiment Results HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #119

Yup...I was wondering if this was the electricity shock experiment and it is. dkf Sep 2013 #126

Absolutely, we are a herd animal nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #132

Yes and No - Humans have Very Diverse Possible Mental-States HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #147

You're right... grillo7 Sep 2013 #106

Indeed Aerows Sep 2013 #136

You just hit it out of the park, my friend Aerows Sep 2013 #114

+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #203

Is that what you said about Bush? Coyotl Sep 2013 #20

Hell no - Like night and day. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #38

Thanks for your post, Laura. PBO is speaking from Cha Sep 2013 #23

Don't waste your time. This place is way, way past DevonRex Sep 2013 #25

We never loved him. Voting for him twice was just a ruse to bring him down. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #37

You never hated him. And you should be above that. DevonRex Sep 2013 #55

This is a great post. Thank you... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #63

If ANY president acted after an AUMF was publically requested and rejected Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #65

Thanks for that. Just Saying Sep 2013 #96

heh. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #66

This has nothing to do with the pics and videos of the kids who were gassed NightWatcher Sep 2013 #26

Wow....just...wow. jessie04 Sep 2013 #30

if we are claiming to give a shit about kids or humanitarian disasters NightWatcher Sep 2013 #46

This one did happen nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #98

There is some pragmatic straight talk Aerows Sep 2013 #134

We'd only be killing terrorists disguised as children, not ACTUAL CHILDREN! Why HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #206

k&r... spanone Sep 2013 #27

We should flood the area around Syria with aid, not bombs. Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #33

Yup, that will stop Assad from using chemical weapons. jessie04 Sep 2013 #41

So what's your plan? Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #47

A lot less than letting Assad run rampant with chemical weapons. jessie04 Sep 2013 #54

And how many people would that be? Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #70

I am hoping that when the congress votes this down that Obama will stand up Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #43

Then work through the U.N. and... SHRED Sep 2013 #39

+1000 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #45

There's a problem with that idea... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #92

I suggest swiping Assad's $1.5 billion fortune, sending the money to help the refugees Dems to Win Sep 2013 #40

i agree MFM008 Sep 2013 #42

There is so much atrocity in this country bigwillq Sep 2013 #44

Keep pressure on UN Sec. Council + Take Assad to The Hague + Humanitarian Relief 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #49

Constructive ideas? Here are two eridani Sep 2013 #50

Excellent Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #59

THAT is an excellent idea. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #82

I Agree, but TPTB Do Not. HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #130

Contructive solutions take time and effort and empathy over ego. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #53

what about MFM008 Sep 2013 #60

Have You Seen the Libyans / Yeminis / Pakistanis / ... Bombed To Death on YouTube? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #133

And have you seen pecwae Sep 2013 #170

It is hard for me to wrap my head around putting "wreckless language" up against Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #68

Amen. IsItJustMe Sep 2013 #58

Romney Isn't President - No More "Good Cop Bad Cop" Psychology Tricks HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #135

Okay deal. Rex Sep 2013 #61

I am against any bombing of Syria Aerows Sep 2013 #140

Here's a thought: Let the U.N. decide, for once... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #64

That means you're leaving it up to Russia and China. And they back Assad. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #87

......... polly7 Sep 2013 #90

The moderate rebels need the ability to house POWs.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #100

That article is already dated..... SunSeeker Sep 2013 #102

Assad was Winning the Civil War - "Untouchable" Unless Gas Was Used - and, Surprise, Gas Appears HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #139

Agree completely, nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #146

That was before chemical weapons were used. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #93

Russia and China don't appear moved by the fact that chemical weapons were used. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #99

They will with enough pressure. Not to mention the Saudis and Iran.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #101

I wish you were right. Russia and China don't give a shit. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #103

Oh,...okay,..so we should bomb everyone. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #104

No, nor is that what Obama is saying. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #150

He has fallen into the DC trap of having to back up his "Red Line" comment.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #154

He said the red line was set by the world, and he is right. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #159

You must be new to the DC nonsense. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #161

I see you have nothing of substance to add. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #164

Tell you what,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #167

Is Saudi Arabia 'bending' on Murdering LGBTs? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #145

And? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #152

Under the UN Security Council veto rules, one nation gets to call the shots... SunSeeker Sep 2013 #156

Oh yes, I'm "good with that" Scootaloo Sep 2013 #162

Got it. Dead is dead. Look forward not back. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #163

I don't think killing more Syrians is the answer Scootaloo Sep 2013 #166

Obama wants to take out the chemical weapons artillery, not target civilians. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #168

What Obama wants and what will happen are not necessarily synonymous Scootaloo Sep 2013 #169

The Security Council Consensus Rule Prevents WWIII - Nothing More HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #155

well here is my idea for what it is worth. zeemike Sep 2013 #67

I have really never heard of a good enough reason to not do what you say. It is absolutely Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #73

Use the billions we spend on keeping them over there zeemike Sep 2013 #85

Bullshit. It's a continuation of the Bush/neocon strategy of perpetual war, as noted by PNAC, et al. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #69

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #160

K&R JohnnyRingo Sep 2013 #72

We all want to stop atrocities. But that doesn't mean bombing the hell out of country totodeinhere Sep 2013 #75

Saw a lady on tv tonight giving McCain hell tiredtoo Sep 2013 #78

If Obama wanted a fucking break maybe he shouldn't have run for fucking president. GOTV Sep 2013 #88

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #129

it's the rebels using the gas, ya'know... MisterP Sep 2013 #97

I'd love to give him a break, but eissa Sep 2013 #105

Drop some Aerows Sep 2013 #110

Brilliant ! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #171

Sorry, no. Obama does not get a fucking break when he is about to kill in our name. morningfog Sep 2013 #111

We arm the world. mick063 Sep 2013 #115

non military options exist martigras Sep 2013 #118

I'm feeling for him, but he has a way out by dropping the military options and Cleita Sep 2013 #121

Freezing the assets of the Syrian leadership would be a big hit bhikkhu Sep 2013 #123

I think Russia might unblock if Putin gets offered something he wants in Cleita Sep 2013 #188

Gladly. Arm or leg? SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #124

There are two very simple, very useful options. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #137

I do not support war. How hard is that? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #151

That is just crazy talk. You are really suggesting that any of us who hate war just as much Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #215

Well, that's exactly what I was seeing! Scootaloo Sep 2013 #220

People don't agree with your idol. Live with it. Or not. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #153

Give ME a fucking break! cui bono Sep 2013 #158

as in medicine - above all do no harm - in this case exacerbating a very complicated ethic/religious Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #165

Why? Seriously, why? Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #172

that is so sad. To be that disenchanted that it doesn't sound like anything would Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #214

What's sad is adults believing that fantasy and wishful thinking are valid substitutes for reality. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #216

It's funny.. I think the exact opposite..I see fantasy as people who think everything is Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #218

Some constructive, non-military ideas... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #173

More people have killed themselves over the American economic debacle.. sendero Sep 2013 #177

Sorry, but DU has turned into a lot of 1 issue voters. B Calm Sep 2013 #179

ONE HUGE ISSUE Carolina Sep 2013 #189

If there was ever a single issue to vote on, perpetual war would be a good one to start with. mick063 Sep 2013 #201

It's not about Obama. It's about escalating an armed conflict... devils chaplain Sep 2013 #181

I have a serious riversedge Sep 2013 #184

I will NOT Carolina Sep 2013 #187

People who need ... 99Forever Sep 2013 #190

No. n/t leeroysphitz Sep 2013 #193

For some people, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT OBAMA. LWolf Sep 2013 #195

+1. The cult of personality is a dangerous thing. n/t devils chaplain Sep 2013 #196

Seriously. If the sun failed to come up tomorrow, QC Sep 2013 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #209

Forget it. DU has become a full-blown anti-Obama hate site. baldguy Sep 2013 #204

No President Deserves a Break When it comes to war. malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #211

thank you Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #217

Jesus! PLAIN ENGLISH. sibelian Sep 2013 #219