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40. Don't be misled by international sources or by grudges from the disempowered.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 05:00 AM
Sep 2013

Look at Libyan sources, especially local sources covering local news and you get a different picture. Trouble is, not much is in English, even though the new press freedoms have led to an increase in the number and quality of sources.

I won't try to recap the past two years, but clearly the scope and scale of violence has steadily declined. By far, most serious conflicts are now resolved without injury, but you won't see that by simply looking at the international press. It's just not newsworthy, and it's not on the scale of Gadaffi's military order to "turn the blue sea red with the blood of Misrata."

The election turnout was huge, and with few exceptions the elected officials/parties are still in office. I don't see any sign whatsoever of a coup happening, or that it would be tolerated. Power is too disbursed right now.

Only part of what the national government has been dealing with has to do with the war. By far most of it is in dealing with legacy issues from the Gaddafi regime or with historical conflicts.

Again, not to recap, but here is one small example of many:

Gaddafi loyalists were rewarded with employment in the civil service. That's part of the reason the 10% fought so hard to protect the .001%. They weren't necessarily competent or well paid. But it did give them the opportunity to collect bribes without restraint or otherwise leverage their power with a side business or second job civil service job. It led to endless conflict and irritation. It also exasperated the 15% unemployment.

Then there was this announcement just a few days ago. The subsidies mentioned had also become hopelessly entangled with corruption, as had the judiciary(which is a huge challenge in itself).

Government increases public sector wages by 20 percent
By Ahmed Elumami.

Tripoli, 4, September 2013:

The government is raising salaries of public sector employees by 20 percent, it was announced today.

Speaking at his weekly press conference, the Prime Minister said that there was also the possibility of annual, inflation-linked allowances, provided the state of the economy permitted it.

The salary increases, Ali Zeidan, explained, were part of the plan to remove the subsidies on commodities. It would contribute to improving the income of Libyans and their living conditions, he stressed.

Zeidan also announced that the Council of Ministers (the cabinet) had decided to separately increase the salaries of Judicial Council staff to reflect the important role they played in society.
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The announcement also comes at a time the authorities are starting to crack down on state-employees having multiple salaries.
http://www.libyaherald.com/2013/09/04/government-increases-public-sector-wages-by-20-percent/


Cynics from overseas can say what they want about that move, but it doesn't strike me as irrational or suggest the need for UN supervision.

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K&R n/t Metatron Sep 2013 #1
Libya has become Somalia except with oil. hobbit709 Sep 2013 #2
It sure has. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #5
Big oil got what they wanted. A cut in production to keep prices high. hobbit709 Sep 2013 #6
Your're right. The only mention I have heard of that was a quick avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #11
$1.1 billion went to MIC in 2011 for this little project jsr Sep 2013 #3
We should consider it a hefty investment in our future, avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #4
Mission Accomplished deutsey Sep 2013 #7
Look the imperialists don't give a flying fuck about local populations malaise Sep 2013 #8
Isn't the point of the article that they did not get oil? oberliner Sep 2013 #12
Keeping oil OFF the market keeps the price high. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #16
So the imperialists (particularly the UK and France since Libya's oil went to Europe) wanted Libya pampango Sep 2013 #20
Depends what oil you hold or can grab. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #23
Yes, Libya is Syria now. And anyone who believes 'we care about the victims' and who followed what sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #43
+1000. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #45
boy, who coulda seen THAT coming! KG Sep 2013 #9
All sides seem happy Gaddafi is gone even if they agree on little else. pampango Sep 2013 #10
There are several excerpts in the article you cited indicating that the avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #15
The transition from dictator (or king or tsar) to a more open government is rarely smooth. pampango Sep 2013 #17
What are you suggesting we do to help? avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #18
I don't have a magic answer. I suppose UN peacekeepers would be a good idea pampango Sep 2013 #22
Don't be misled by international sources or by grudges from the disempowered. Iterate Sep 2013 #40
Moral: Let dictators be dictators? oberliner Sep 2013 #13
That is the key question. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #19
"fledgling democracy"? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #25
Well, democracy was the intent, supposedly, in Iraq.Afghanistan HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #28
That's because we promote Capitalism and all those young people rising up are a buncha hippies. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #32
Exactly. Thinking like an adult is no fun and makes for boring DU posts. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #26
They refer to Libya as a great glowing successful intervention NightWatcher Sep 2013 #14
So...much better to have kept Ghadaffi in power? brooklynite Sep 2013 #21
No question dictators are bad. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #29
I just wish our decision-makers would give some thought avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #39
Is your assertion that if we were to assist them in rebuilding Ghadaffi would rise from the dead? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #42
Greed does wonders. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #24
Mission accomplished. idwiyo Sep 2013 #27
Things will smooth out after a new dictator emerges from the chaos. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2013 #30
But, but - Iraq is all peaceful and stable now! ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #31
Heck of a job, Obama. bigwillq Sep 2013 #33
But they are not under dictator Gaddafi treestar Sep 2013 #34
Those of us who had doubts about intervention in Libya were smeared as Gaddafi-lovers. Good times. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #35
YAY! AGAIN! quakerboy Sep 2013 #36
K&R liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #37
kick. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #38
Empires usually end in violent upheaval SoCalDem Sep 2013 #41
K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #44
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