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66. Apparently, he should have fought harder for Single Payer so that

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If he had fought this hard for Single-Payer... [View all] SHRED Sep 2013 OP

isnt congress about to vote NO? JoePhilly Sep 2013 #1

why let that get in the way of the phony outrage circle jerk JI7 Sep 2013 #2

They appear to be running out of speculative outrage strawmen. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #68

So it's decided then, & Obama is addressing the nation to waste time. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #81

Lol! whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #132

The point is he is fighting for the right to srike Syria. He never fought for single payer. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #7

+1000 SHRED Sep 2013 #8

Good post. bigwillq Sep 2013 #9

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #13

Not by the time the GOP was done with the "socialized commie medicine" meme Hekate Sep 2013 #48

But maybe we would have ended up with the Public Option cui bono Sep 2013 #57

Bingo! Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #79

Obama & The Party leadership abandoned the field to the Republicans during "TeaBagger Summer". bvar22 Sep 2013 #95

If I recall, that was the same summer that Remote Area Medical was hosting a free healthcare event CrispyQ Sep 2013 #103

+ infinity BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #112

You are wrong on 2 counts golfguru Sep 2013 #138

yup I agree gopiscrap Sep 2013 #28

Oh, I thought the point was, "things that can't pass Congress anyway". JoePhilly Sep 2013 #64

can you name one country where single payer was achieved Whisp Sep 2013 #67

Yes I can, the UK's National Health Service. Clement Attlee's government elected in 1945 Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #92

No, it didn't come all at once in a neat package. Whisp Sep 2013 #96

ACA is NOT a step toward Single Payer. bvar22 Sep 2013 #100

some states have the opportunity to go single payer Whisp Sep 2013 #101

Nobody has ever said that "some" people will not be helped by the ACA. bvar22 Sep 2013 #109

Many people will be helped. Whisp Sep 2013 #118

Yes it is a step toward single payer Progressive dog Sep 2013 #107

so he's avoided getting involved in Syria for two whole years Schema Thing Sep 2013 #71

+1001 Segami Sep 2013 #111

"Make me do it." blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #114

Says who? treestar Sep 2013 #120

Everybody seems to forget all the $hit Obama had on his plate TheDebbieDee Sep 2013 #137

His signature piece of legislation... truebluegreen Sep 2013 #143

Exactly! Now you're getting it........ TheDebbieDee Sep 2013 #148

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #10

Apparently, he should have fought harder for Single Payer so that JoePhilly Sep 2013 #66

but you're claiming nothing will happen with Syria!!! Skittles Sep 2013 #141

oh, NOW you're using that excuse? Skittles Sep 2013 #11

Isn't he working like hell to get to yes? Hasn't he reserved the right to stirke without them? morningfog Sep 2013 #17

They are reacting to their constituents. War isn't popular. But Single Payer sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #27

Wasn't going to pass Congress, just like this won't, apparently. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #70

Once they have single payer treestar Sep 2013 #121

I certainly hope so. LWolf Sep 2013 #72

Why are you asking? Are you making an insinuation or just asking the status? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #104

Why didn't Congress fight "this hard for Single-Payer..."? ProSense Sep 2013 #3

Because DLC-Dems Took Single Payer "Off the Table" just like the Bush Impeachement WE Voted For HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #19

Single payer was never "on the table" and neither was impeachment. PBass Sep 2013 #23

Oh no, no, no, no JayhawkSD Sep 2013 #33

Single Payer was never on "Obama's table" to begin with. PBass Sep 2013 #38

President Obama himself made a concerted effort to ensure that a single-payer health care system avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #45

Funny how Billy Tauzin (big pharma lobbyist) visited the WH... polichick Sep 2013 #52

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #53

You're supposed ctsnowman Sep 2013 #77

Many of us are cursed with a memory. bvar22 Sep 2013 #117

Thanks, those were the points I was remembering Melissa G Sep 2013 #145

That's true enough . . . BUT markpkessinger Sep 2013 #58

Except while on his first campaign ...but you know ...people will say anything to get votes. L0oniX Sep 2013 #75

Oh, Boo. A: He doesn't seem to be fighting so hard for this. B: He fought pretty hard for ACA. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4

We did skip. He worked to keep single payer completely off the table. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #60

Yeah, it's all mean ol Congress' fault. So much for 11-Dimensional rope-a-dope bipartisan chess. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #91

Dream about what? He's losing this battle so far. So why do you think pnwmom Sep 2013 #5

Massive Anti-War Feedback - That is Why Congress Is not On Board HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #20

Your thinking Mira Sep 2013 #6

Fights should be for what you believe in Melissa G Sep 2013 #12

Obama did NOT "jump ship" on Single Payer PBass Sep 2013 #18

Obama jumped ship on his health care comments. Melissa G Sep 2013 #24

Did you read your own link? He supported the idea of Single Payer as a State Senator in 2003, PBass Sep 2013 #26

You do have trouble with reading comprehension and putting words Melissa G Sep 2013 #31

A "half-flip" sounds like weasel words, and Politifact can take a flying leap. PBass Sep 2013 #40

Pulitizer Prize Winning PolitiFact can "take a flying leap"? bvar22 Sep 2013 #122

Maddow, Kos, and others have noted Politifact's lies about Obama ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #144

Obama did campaign on single payer in his Senate campaign. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #42

"Lo and behold Obama becomes president..." LOL PBass Sep 2013 #46

Tens of thousands of Americans most of them children will die each year because Obamacare avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #49

You have something to back up that statement? Hippo_Tron Sep 2013 #110

What a mass of steaming bull shit! L0oniX Sep 2013 #76

The ACA allows states to implement single-payer Schema Thing Sep 2013 #14

Sorry but ACA is nothing like single payer. Single payer means you pay a tax for your healthcare. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #16

actually that's not the definition of single payer - that's your wishlist Schema Thing Sep 2013 #30

I know people who live in the UK and Europe who do not pay copays or premiums. They pay a tax and liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #51

The UK and Europe are not one thing. Schema Thing Sep 2013 #63

Actually, MANY enlightenment Sep 2013 #82

Hey, I'd love to have that. Schema Thing Sep 2013 #84

Of course it's a political football. enlightenment Sep 2013 #87

I'm not talking about Medicare for All. I'm talking about single payer where all you pay is a tax. I liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #85

good luck with that. Schema Thing Sep 2013 #97

I will never stop working for true single payer and I am not alone. Medicare for All is better than liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #99

I lived in the UK OwnedByCats Sep 2013 #134

agree with all of that, but it isn't going to happen unless something Schema Thing Sep 2013 #136

When I read posts like yours: chervilant Sep 2013 #61

you saw this ;) Schema Thing Sep 2013 #65

I get insulted on this website regularly because I have the audacity to criticize the president. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #86

Two things: chervilant Sep 2013 #113

yes I have noticed that. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #119

That's because their target audience isn't you. It's everyone else. ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #147

Not criticizing politicians just because of the letter after their name OwnedByCats Sep 2013 #135

And again, it allows states to setup that system within the state. phleshdef Sep 2013 #39

Like California Iliyah Sep 2013 #35

You're comparing apples and oranges here. Also, strawman argument... PBass Sep 2013 #15

Ahhh, He Backed the Insurance Cartels to "Protect Jobs" HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #32

More apples and oranges here... PBass Sep 2013 #41

He campaigned on a public option 'any bill I sign must contain a strong public option'. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #93

Oh Please stop it Iliyah Sep 2013 #36

Obama did campaign on the Single Payer issue. See post #42 and listen to his own words. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #54

So maybe the OP should say, "I wish Pres Obama wanted single payer health insurance rhett o rick Sep 2013 #106

He fought harder than this for the ACA bhikkhu Sep 2013 #21

OMG Iliyah Sep 2013 #22

He would have been a lame duck 1 year into his presidency Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #25

So the Story Goes ... if Thelma And Louise would have worked a 2nd time. HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #37

No kidding gopiscrap Sep 2013 #29

Yes. Single-payer was discounted from the beginning n/t me b zola Sep 2013 #34

He cancelled his keynote speech for the AFL-CIO Natl. conv this week for Syria. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #43

I misread the post. Thought you said "if WE had fought this hard..." joshcryer Sep 2013 #44

He didn't campaign for president on single-payer, did he? Hekate Sep 2013 #47

He did. See post #42 above and listen to his own words. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #56

He never supported single payer...I knew that about him before he was even the Candidate... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #50

That is NOT true. bvar22 Sep 2013 #124

Okay I take that back...he was a propronent of it... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #128

seems he can't sell war to republicans. that's pretty sad. KG Sep 2013 #55

I shared your post with a friend of mine . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #59

Yeah, a pretty good indication of his ideology Doctor_J Sep 2013 #62

He gave a few hints, speaking admiringly of Reagan's governance as being "transformative." chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #73

That's Reagan who looked the other way at Saddam's gassing of Kurds and Iraqis Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #94

I see his true colors... 99Forever Sep 2013 #69

Yep, that should tell you something. nt NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #74

Was thinking about that yesterday. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #78

K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #80

So, we now have single payer war and killing. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #83

Excellent observation. Octafish Sep 2013 #88

Obama WANTS Syria. Single Payer, though ... NAH!!! blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #89

Single payer was DOA when it showed up in the senate Botany Sep 2013 #90

Are you insinuating that is the justification for him not working harder? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #105

yes Botany Sep 2013 #149

Ahh, the bullshit pragmatic justification. Shoot for what you think you can get, not for what rhett o rick Sep 2013 #150

And if we were still British subjects dflprincess Sep 2013 #151

I want better than the NHS. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #152

But the NHS is better than what we have now dflprincess Sep 2013 #156

I dont disagree but I want more. I want a single payer system. Sorry but I am rhett o rick Sep 2013 #157

I agree that single payer is what we should aim for dflprincess Sep 2013 #159

Big Pharma and Big Insurance guffaw. WinkyDink Sep 2013 #98

Less children would die Lex Sep 2013 #102

ANSWER: Lost jobs, ovednight, 1T$ industry. Festivito Sep 2013 #108

"dogs and cats living together!" MisterP Sep 2013 #133

Rather, all cats, different herds. eom Festivito Sep 2013 #154

The result would still be the same.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #115

No kidding LittleBlue Sep 2013 #116

It still would have gotten voted down. nt jazzimov Sep 2013 #123

BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! upi402 Sep 2013 #125

Our only hope is the obstructionist Congress continues to be consistent liberal N proud Sep 2013 #126

obamacare i think will GRADUALLY end up single payer, as it evolves. pansypoo53219 Sep 2013 #127

Exactly! n/t zentrum Sep 2013 #129

ALL of the 2008 voters would have voted democratic again in 2010 Doctor_J Sep 2013 #130

Or a second stimulus. A jobs program. The infrastructure revitalization. Gun regulation BlueStreak Sep 2013 #131

Oh,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #139

I haven't seen Pres Obama fight so hard for anything since he was first elected Poiuyt Sep 2013 #140

I don't think you are Obama hating and I think you are right. He's going to have to pander .... marble falls Sep 2013 #142

it wouldn't matter, the left let the radio gods make single payer politically impossible certainot Sep 2013 #146

Why would he care about Single Payer? truedelphi Sep 2013 #153

To be quite honest, he did zipplewrath Sep 2013 #155

Oh Jesus, the single payer unicorn is still being mourned as if it were ever alive nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #158

Truly. Amazing the effort to destroy, but to build a better society...uh...nah! Safetykitten Sep 2013 #160

K&R Jamastiene Sep 2013 #161