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29. I think the 'bind' on the president is a tenuous one, if there is one
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 09:58 AM
Sep 2013

I'm more concerned with giving our elected representatives flexibility than I am in allowing the Executive what amounts to a blank check.

It isn't as if there's a limiting line of accountability from Congress to the president. That control they have is a complicated gambit of allowing or withholding defense funds. That's where the check on that presidential authority lies.

What I, personally, would look for in a president is one who understands that he takes a nation to war, not just his administration. Having Congress assume initial responsibility for waging war is an integral and vital facet of our democracy.

That initial recognition by the president of that responsibility of Congress to initiate warring should be* more than some political formality. However, as we've seen in many unilateral uses of force by the Executive over the course of history, Congress is loath to deny funding for an operation that's underway; for a mission where troops have already been committed to the field.

All our contemporary CiCs have had to do is make a unilateral declaration that their actions are in defense of 'national security' or in response to some 'threat' or the other against the U.S. or our interests. That's the reasoning the White House has decided to promote for their military ambitions in Syria. By declaring that attacks within Syria are in our 'national interests', and pose a 'threat' to our nation, the President and his deputies are declaring themselves above and beyond the initial judgment of Congress of whether their mission has merit and is supportable. For many folks out here, that's just a slippery slope to war.

That may well suit those who are firm in their belief that military force is imperative, yet, it is a stance which flies in the face of the overwhelming rejection of military strikes from a majority of Americans polled and a majority who have bothered to tell their Representatives and Senators where they stand.

As far as I've understood the President and his SoS, they believe they have that authority already, so I'm a bit puzzled why there's some question out there about whether he'll buck the judgment and vote of Congress and invade anyway.

I just know that the President needs a constant and vocal reminder that there are a majority of us out here who don't agree with his stance and would appreciate if he would tell us up front that he'll respect the judgment of our elected officials and not rely solely on his own determination - his own decision - that we should go to war with Syria.

I don't want the Executive to have flexibility beyond the will and reach of Congress to easily initiate war.

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Politics Also Precluded Him From Saying He'll Cut Social Security If Elected jsr Sep 2013 #1
He hasn't cut SS. What's your point? nt tridim Sep 2013 #2
He sure tried. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #14
Woo me... tridim Sep 2013 #24
They are angry that their predictions have been wrong. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #26
"They, they, they." woo me with science Sep 2013 #28
But don't forgot ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #32
NO! He did cut Social Security! Last March!!! alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #19
No … 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #12
Bullshit. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #13
Because you say so ... Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #16
Nope. Because we were all there. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #18
So were the ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #21
Your posts always contain personal barbs and insults but never contain links to supporting Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #25
We've done this dance before ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #30
Actually, you make a claim, post a link that disproves your claim, then Marr Sep 2013 #40
Let me sum up the post that just responded to you Blue. Puglover Sep 2013 #39
+1000000 Remember this gem from the campaign? woo me with science Sep 2013 #17
I am waiting for Ingram, Rush and Hannity to jump on this somehow. They are going to have a few Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #3
Nobody blames congress in situaitons like this...the buck stops with the president davidn3600 Sep 2013 #6
Not this time, it will be just like Cameron, if Obama does not get authorization it will be I Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #7
American people and the world does not want us to bomb Syria davidn3600 Sep 2013 #8
Do you really think striking Syria was the action Obama wanted to take on the first report Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #9
Most Americans simply don't care davidn3600 Sep 2013 #10
Action will not come from the UN since Russia will never agree and I understand without other Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #11
Attacking without the approval of the UN would be illegal. If Russia and China block UN action totodeinhere Sep 2013 #36
Did the US have approval from the UN before invading Iraq? Actually a 1925 Geneva Treaty against Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #37
We did not have UN approval and Bush's war was illegal. But the fact that war criminal George Bush totodeinhere Sep 2013 #41
. bigtree Sep 2013 #4
Really? Well then politics preclude me from what's saying what's on my mind too n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #5
My sentiments exactly. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #20
So you place ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #34
It would be stupid for him to say one way or another because it could affect their votes pnwmom Sep 2013 #15
Yes, pnwmom, exactly. As Senator Warren said Cha Sep 2013 #22
+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #27
I think the 'bind' on the president is a tenuous one, if there is one bigtree Sep 2013 #29
NOW he decides to become Mr. Savvy Negotiator? n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #23
Mr. President, this is a really, really, really easy question. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #31
I'm not saying force is justified in this instance DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #33
I know, but in this situation especially NuclearDem Sep 2013 #35
kick Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #38
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