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Avalux

(35,015 posts) Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:21 PM Sep 2013

I know I'm going to get ripped apart for saying this.... [View all]

but I think Obama is a genius.

Who else would have been able to unite both sides of the public in saying "no" to bombing Syria?

Those of us who identify with Democrats and have supported Obama say no.

Those who identify with Republicans and hate Obama say no. (Only because it's Obama's idea, but whatever works).

Congress is in a tough spot.

Sure there are fringe neocons who want more aggressive action (stilll, they are saying no to Obama's idea), but the vast majority of the public is in the anti-aggression camp. John McCain was pelted by angry supporters at a town hall meeting a couple of days ago for chickenhawk bullshit.

I don't take any of what's going on at face value, and I don't think we will strike Syria before Assad is dethroned. I think that's been the objective all along, despite the public machinations.

And I really believe Obama doesn't care about the negativity leveled at him in this moment if he's able to meet the objective. There are no more elections in his future.

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I know I'm going to get ripped apart for saying this.... [View all] Avalux Sep 2013 OP

So you think Obama doesn't want to strike? polichick Sep 2013 #1

Yes I do. Avalux Sep 2013 #3

Why make the pitch on Tuesday then? polichick Sep 2013 #5

Look at it this way.... Avalux Sep 2013 #8

Interesting theory - I'd love to think he wasn't about the mic... polichick Sep 2013 #10

I'm an optimist I guess. Avalux Sep 2013 #16

I wish you were right, Avalux. but he is going to do this because he roguevalley Sep 2013 #88

He has also been steadfastly Non-proliferation... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #35

Because his actions don't always match his rhetoric. polichick Sep 2013 #44

his language hasn't expressed his non-proliferation policies? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #46

Let's hope your are correct. FarPoint Sep 2013 #36

His "essence?" I've met him... polichick Sep 2013 #40

They'd be saying he is a pacifist, weak, coward, communist... louis-t Sep 2013 #45

You're spot on... Avalux Sep 2013 #67

You may be on to something. Obama knows how Republicans react to him treestar Sep 2013 #68

You've got it. Avalux Sep 2013 #70

Either way, they will scream for impeachment saying louis-t Sep 2013 #76

Obama is the most reluctant war monger I've ever seen N/T War Horse Sep 2013 #43

Not really. He went with the Pentagon re adding troops in Afg... polichick Sep 2013 #48

Comedy Gold. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #2

Thanks!! Avalux Sep 2013 #4

More 11-Dimensional Rope-a-Dope Baloney. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #6

A code-word for "I don't understand it" ... eom Kolesar Sep 2013 #15

More like code for "Given what we've seen, not a chance." polichick Sep 2013 #21

"Thought everyone got past that BS line." Kolesar Sep 2013 #24

What I posted is how I'd read that vs your reading. polichick Sep 2013 #26

Is that why he compared Americans ignoring the gassing to Americans who ignored the Blitz?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #7

He's out on a limb, that's for sure. Avalux Sep 2013 #11

Ronald Reagan ignored Saddam's gassing of thousands, he might have even assisted in it Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #83

He could REALLY unite people by threatening to bomb Canada! leftstreet Sep 2013 #9

the sky is green. cali Sep 2013 #12

How does it weaken him if he gets the desired outcome? Avalux Sep 2013 #19

first of all, if it's his desired outcome, why take such a risky cali Sep 2013 #28

What would he get done anyway with this Congress? Avalux Sep 2013 #31

I don't think that's his desired outcome at all MNBrewer Sep 2013 #29

Face value politics is a misnomer. Avalux Sep 2013 #33

I'm cynical, but not that cynical MNBrewer Sep 2013 #37

All he had to do was to announce, the truth in fact, that there is evidence now that he did not have sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #75

Bill Press9/3:It was a brilliant move. And the right move to make � legally, morally and politically Kolesar Sep 2013 #13

But whose idea was it to go to Congress... polichick Sep 2013 #14

Thank you for posting this! Avalux Sep 2013 #17

Dear Congress: Here is a monkey to wear on your back Kolesar Sep 2013 #22

Yep! There are DUers agreeing with Rand Paul over this. Avalux Sep 2013 #27

He reserved the right to strike without congress. morningfog Sep 2013 #25

Of course he did. Why would he say "I'll listen to whatever Congress wants" Avalux Sep 2013 #55

And his good buddy Cameron went to parliament for the same reason. Gimmeabreak...... Little Star Sep 2013 #80

He has to say that, diplomatically Nevernose Sep 2013 #71

Thanks for this, Kolesar. Bill Press has a pretty incisive mind Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #86

I like that thought - but I think it's about as likely as believing Bush and Cheney intentionally Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #18

Not really. Avalux Sep 2013 #20

I don't believe it either, of course - I just don't find either scenario likely Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #23

It is a good thing. Avalux Sep 2013 #34

It's Maslow not Maslov cali Sep 2013 #52

Well aren't you the superior one. Avalux Sep 2013 #59

a typo? v and y are just so close together. cali Sep 2013 #66

v and w are just so close together as well. n/t Avalux Sep 2013 #69

And meanwhile, while every politiican maneuvers, children and innocent civilians question everything Sep 2013 #30

Perhaps the Democratic Party should nominate Clark Kent next time MNBrewer Sep 2013 #38

Ahahahahaha, good one! LittleBlue Sep 2013 #32

I think it's interesting: it demonstrates the extremes some people cali Sep 2013 #41

This concept has been proposed by others n2doc Sep 2013 #39

Stop making a Messiah out of him. He just wanted war and fail at that because OTHERS opposed. ocpagu Sep 2013 #42

What are you trying to say, because it doesn't make sense. Avalux Sep 2013 #49

He should come out for Social Security cuts. We'll all be rich. rug Sep 2013 #47

You may have something there.... Avalux Sep 2013 #50

I think there's something to your theory. After all, CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #51

sheesh. this is just absurd. cali Sep 2013 #56

wow . . . . but not unexpected DrDan Sep 2013 #53

I feel sorry for you. Avalux Sep 2013 #54

you are simply full of it - when did I say I did not like Obama DrDan Sep 2013 #57

Then why the snarky post? Avalux Sep 2013 #60

my post is a comment on Obama supporters - not Obama DrDan Sep 2013 #63

Ahh I see.... Avalux Sep 2013 #65

heh SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #78

I'm looking for GD and ended up in the BOG. mick063 Sep 2013 #58

col (chuckled out loud) DrDan Sep 2013 #61

Next, he should suggest pot be made illegal xfundy Sep 2013 #62

They'd have to.... Avalux Sep 2013 #64

It would actually be a brilliant move. mick063 Sep 2013 #73

Have you read this?? Avalux Sep 2013 #72

So... would it still be a genius move if congress did his bidding and authorized the attack? whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #74

Actually, yes. Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #82

Eh... whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #84

Yup. Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #92

If he ends up not bombing I'll give him credit. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #77

It takes a supergenius to seem clever whether or not you get what you want. sibelian Sep 2013 #79

OFFS Marrah_G Sep 2013 #81

Obama doesn't have elections in his future, but other Dems DO. Dems to Win Sep 2013 #85

I'm going to wait to see how it plays out, but I think yours is one of many valid theories. MH1 Sep 2013 #87

You're right there is a lot we don't know. Avalux Sep 2013 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #89

I take a bit more moderate view davidpdx Sep 2013 #91

I hope you're right, but it's waaay too early to be giving him credit for multidimensional chess. reformist2 Sep 2013 #93