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VanillaRhapsody

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47. So what do you want? Do we turn our backs when dictators use weapons that we have

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Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:57 PM

Sep 2013

signed treaties to eliminate chemical weapons...(we are 78% of the way there...we will have eliminated ours by 2017 by the way) and Assad didn't sign...and now he has used them against civilians in their beds....

How much tolerance for chemical weapons should a "good Liberal President" in your estimation allow?

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And I was assured Obama's 2nd term was going to be a "Liberal Renaissance" [View all] whatchamacallit Sep 2013 OP

who told you that? The same person that told you Obama was not a pragmatic? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #1

The same people who claimed Obama was the most progressive president in decades whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #2

definition of pragmatic... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #28

There is nothing pragmatic about making deals with psychopaths AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #69

who are the psychopaths we are making deals with? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #86

The GOP AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #114

What recent President was more progressive? Jimmy Carter was decades ago. pnwmom Sep 2013 #46

Obama has been regressive AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #71

The ACA, with its large expansion of Medicaid and its tax credits for individuals and families, pnwmom Sep 2013 #76

It is mildly progressive AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #113

The only thing that will be delayed beyond January is a mandate for large companies pnwmom Sep 2013 #115

He is delaying the cap on out of pocket expenses AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #116

By Heritage Foundation standards, it's progressive indeed (since such was its origin) hatrack Sep 2013 #118

Regressive? Are you losing your mind? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #87

Please tell me what is progressive about his deals with Boehner? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #112

Progressive is a relative term. He's far more progressive than Boehner or pnwmom Sep 2013 #119

He is far more 'progressive' than the Republicans? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #121

Anyone who thinks this Syria war proposal is "pragmatic" is insane Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #27

who is declaring war on Syria? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #29

No one is denying that there is a civil war in Syria Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #40

No they have NOT...and have demonstrably said so... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #83

Yes they have, bombing Syria is bringing the US into the civil war Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #108

Dang. enlightenment Sep 2013 #82

THATS the most hyperbole you have seen on DU? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #84

Nice "declared war" dodge ... Bake Sep 2013 #97

So you are in favor of only doing things that you KNOW will work out? randome Sep 2013 #105

It's disingenous to say it will be ONLY a limited strike Bake Sep 2013 #122

Claims that his messed up dealings with the GOP are pragmatism AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #73

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #81

Seriously? This is the kind of disgusting shit that passes for discussion around here now? phleshdef Sep 2013 #103

Funny that your expectations didn't include hundreds of dead children and their families blm Sep 2013 #3

Unlike the "Ocolytes" whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #5

Gee, I was looking on military action as a reluctant necessity...but if it can get you worked up... brooklynite Sep 2013 #7

and if it is true that Assad carried out these chemical attacks.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #30

I'll support the strike as soon as we hold ourselves responsible for using.... Little Star Sep 2013 #72

then your thing about waiting for UN weapons inspectors means diddly squat. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #88

You don't give a shit about how many we killed and maimed using White Phosphorus in Iraq.... Little Star Sep 2013 #96

Yes I do...but we haven't used phosporous under this administration have we? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #98

I certainly didnt expect obama would do that, but there it is nt msongs Sep 2013 #11

Yeah, we'll lob some rockets and kill thousands more durablend Sep 2013 #44

Kick leeroysphitz Sep 2013 #4

You mean Mommy didn't get you a pony? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #6

Ponies? The administration dug up the corpse of a ten year old dead horse fujiyama Sep 2013 #14

I know 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #15

Yep! I could tell. fujiyama Sep 2013 #21

he campaigns much more liberally than he governs rurallib Sep 2013 #8

He campaigns using linguistic devices agent46 Sep 2013 #20

This has been blatantly apparent from the beginning to some of us. sibelian Sep 2013 #24

Were you tempted to sing-song it like Sarah? ... eom Kolesar Sep 2013 #25

Sarah who? nt sibelian Sep 2013 #61

You know denbot Sep 2013 #64

Ach! Her. sibelian Sep 2013 #66

Bingo. And some of us saw it from the beginning. QC Sep 2013 #48

I tried to point that out during the first Primary Marrah_G Sep 2013 #70

lol, I remember Vattel Sep 2013 #85

Like the 'hope and change' meme AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #74

he campaigns by making promises to every single demographic possible fully knowing he can't keep liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #23

I would hardly call all these months of private sector jobs growth "lousy" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #31

Yes. Working at an Amazon warehose is a job. mick063 Sep 2013 #41

its better than the alternative of job loss isn't it...its not perfect VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #95

oh, no kidding SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #111

Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #9

They sniff their nose at facts.. but thanks. Cha Sep 2013 #12

Win or lose, we should do the same thing -- organize! struggle4progress Sep 2013 #10

You are right! mazzarro Sep 2013 #80

assured? spanone Sep 2013 #13

No, now you have to wait till 2014, then he will! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #16

You were assured? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #17

It IS a Liberal Renaissance" elehhhhna Sep 2013 #18

More like a "Liberal Reconnaissance". nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #19

Simple mistake, just a typo, the actual assurance was a "NEOLiberal Renaissance" Dragonfli Sep 2013 #22

Yeah, I hate when that happens. woo me with science Sep 2013 #26

You expected Anarchy? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #33

How embarrassing for you woo me with science Sep 2013 #35

Hardly embarrassed...are you ? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #36

So tell me about "anarchy." woo me with science Sep 2013 #39

So glad you asked... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #42

And the relevance here? woo me with science Sep 2013 #45

So what do you want? Do we turn our backs when dictators use weapons that we have VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #47

Oh, my. woo me with science Sep 2013 #49

I never said I worried about it causing "anarchy"? where did you get that from VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #89

He should have used weapons we haven't signed treaties for. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #62

the US HAS agreed to it...AND will eliminate all stockpiles of chemical weapons by 2017 VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #90

Cluster bombs aren't chemical weapons. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #91

who planned on using clusterbombs? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #93

Saudi Arabia just bought 1,300 from us. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #101

You must have skipped civics in high school. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #58

That may have been the single stupidest post I've ever read. /nt Marr Sep 2013 #102

They were naive./He was the much better choice though/nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #32

Pretty much. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #59

The whole system militates against wholesale change/nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #63

Neo-liberal is what we got. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #34

Apparently you were expecting Anarchy... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #37

Neo-conservatism with a smiley-face. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #38

Uh no...read the definition... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #43

You don't know what traditional liberalism is do you? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #53

I think you are conflating classical liberalism with traditional liberalism DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #68

Lets check the definition shall we? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #94

They are two sets of rhetoric and rationales to get to the exact same outcomes. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #52

Wrong. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #55

That is what I said. I don't care what they are "supposed to be" because the outcomes are the same TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #65

+1 Neocons and neolibs... woo me with science Sep 2013 #54

Yeah, he's following the footsteps of the nonviolent MLK jsr Sep 2013 #50

It's coming any day now. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #51

from the right sponsor. jsr Sep 2013 #56

I was assured his second term would free him to do what he wanted to do. Autumn Sep 2013 #57

He's doing what's best for his retirement portfolio jsr Sep 2013 #60

Who says he isn't doing what he wanted to do? Marr Sep 2013 #104

That's my point. He's doing what he wants to do so the poster was right. Autumn Sep 2013 #106

lol right? d_b Sep 2013 #67

Who assured you? JEFF9K Sep 2013 #75

Until this Syrian lunacy, I blamed the failure of those ideals on Republicans. liberal N proud Sep 2013 #77

He did the best he could, considering the circumstances. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #78

Once we're passed next Nov's election cycle it'll be our turn. ileus Sep 2013 #79

I never expected that, but I didn't expect this either Taverner Sep 2013 #92

Worse, when a republican is in the Oval Office they can cite him for precedent. rug Sep 2013 #99

Remember when Obama was overheard saying he'd have "more flexibility" in his Marr Sep 2013 #100

What he meant was that he'll have the flexibility to completely ignore dflprincess Sep 2013 #117

Fool me once... Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #107

Ya See... The Bigoted Hatefully Insane Have Become The New Republican Party, The Old... WillyT Sep 2013 #109

You actually thought that wow. iandhr Sep 2013 #110

Most liberal president in decades. NYC Liberal Sep 2013 #120