Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)
 

coldmountain

(802 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:13 PM Sep 2013

The South killed the safety net [View all]

The South killed the safety net

"The South’s aversion both to taxes and to mandated government safety net structures had a long, and somewhat surprising, pedigree. In the late eighteenth century, popular radical writers such as Condorcet in France and Tom Paine in England had called for the creation of comprehensive social insurance systems based around universal pensions, child allowances, and education for all. Neither, however, managed to successfully alter prevailing political and moral doctrines. In France, after the frenzy of the revolutionary years the counterrevolution of the post-Napoleonic period put a halt to radical social experiments for decades. And in the United Kingdom, at least partially in response to the violence unleashed by revolutionaries in France, the early nineteenth century saw a tide of conservative reaction. Give money to the poor, the theory went, and you were encouraging indolence, dependency, and ultimately societal chaos. In 1834, after the publication of the Poor Law Report, “outdoor relief”—the giving of state moneys to the able-bodied poor in a non-workhouse context—was banned. For most of the rest of Queen Victoria’s near-seventy-year reign, “the great unwashed” were either left to find their own ways through terrain of hunger, homelessness, and disease, or were corralled into the sorts of ghastly workhouse settings made infamous by the writings of Charles Dickens.

In America, the South in particular took the Victorian lesson to heart, though to a lesser degree so too did the rest of the country. As did most of Europe. After all, Great Britain was the dominant power of the age, its economic prescriptions as hard to avoid as, say, the Washington consensus’s emphasis on opening up markets to international trade, privatizing public services, and deregulation a century and a half later. Coercive poor law politics, shaped around workhouses, poor houses, and other near-prison-like conditions for confining and attending to the subsistence needs of the poor was, as a consequence, the dominant response to poverty on both sides of the Atlantic throughout the middle decades of the nineteenth century."

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/07/why_dont_americans_want_a_social_safety_net/

Progressives around the world need to start boycotting the South and rewarding other regions that do the right things. Vacation somewhere else. Boycott southern based stores like Walmart and Dollar General. Buy a UAW built car instead of a non union JapanInc car built by non union workers. Reward Detroit and Toledo and not Kentucky.


40 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The South killed the safety net [View all] coldmountain Sep 2013 OP
How ironic that coldmountain is in NC ... Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #1
The movie "Cold Mountain" was extremely anti-Confederate coldmountain Sep 2013 #3
Enjoy your stay here. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #11
Enjoy your boycott of the south. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #15
Thank you for your advice. I really appreciate it. Have a nice day. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #17
Are you o n MIRt? I suggest you sign up next time. I hope you don't hurt your head Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #18
Yes, I am. A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #21
Corruption in the Confederacy coldmountain Sep 2013 #8
I thought South Bashing was on Wednesdays leftstreet Sep 2013 #2
If much of the South would quit fighting the Civil War, South bashing would have ended decades ago coldmountain Sep 2013 #5
South bashing is not only tolerated; it is actually encouraged on this site. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #13
Yes it is, and I'll be keeping bigoted threads like this in mind when it's time to cordelia Sep 2013 #23
How is it encouraged? coldmountain Sep 2013 #25
as if you didn't know. you slay me. you really do, cold mountain. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #28
Did you see the movie or read the book? coldmountain Sep 2013 #30
as a matter of fact, yes. Must I inform you that this is 2013 and not 1913? We here at DU are Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #31
Let me take a stab at answering your last question... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #33
by jove, I think you've got it! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #35
Obvious the Confederacy is not dead even though it's politically incorrect to point that out coldmountain Sep 2013 #36
No, that really gets a lot wrong Recursion Sep 2013 #6
They only did the New Deal because the Democrats at the time were the "anti-black" party coldmountain Sep 2013 #7
Dixiecrats and Yellow Dogs are polar opposites Recursion Sep 2013 #9
The Dixicrats were Democrats who felt betrayed by FDR after voting for him coldmountain Sep 2013 #14
It's voting Democrat'ic' not Democrat n/t leftstreet Sep 2013 #16
Noticed that. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #27
me too. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #34
Spending so much time in the rural South which is almost all Republican, I picked it up coldmountain Sep 2013 #40
That's not what polar opposites are. Those are different sides of the same coin. JVS Sep 2013 #38
And then they jumped ship at the thought of having to live side by side with their fellow man. name not needed Sep 2013 #10
my, aren't you just a lovely piece of humanity. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #32
For the south, government help and safety net is ok so long as minorities are excluded. kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #19
As a Southerner, I find this post offensive. nt jazzimov Sep 2013 #20
Is being an American, a Democrat, a liberal, etc more important than being a "Southerner"? coldmountain Sep 2013 #22
YOU are certainly divisive for no good reason. cordelia Sep 2013 #24
who on here has that bumpersticker? why are you on here talking about that? how does that help Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #29
Sorry if the truth offends -- but there is a large concentration of tea party people in the south. pnwmom Sep 2013 #26
Lively discussion over at Salon about this article coldmountain Sep 2013 #37
Thanks! n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #39
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The South killed the safe...