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In reply to the discussion: U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials to Obama: “Assad NOT Responsible for Chemical Attack” [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)1. For the third time:
We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as plausible denial.
We have been down this road before with President George W. Bush, to whom we addressed our first VIPS memorandum immediately after Colin Powells Feb. 5, 2003 U.N. speech, in which he peddled fraudulent intelligence to support attacking Iraq. Then, also, we chose to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was being misled or, at the least, very poorly advised.
The fraudulent nature of Powells speech was a no-brainer. And so, that very afternoon we strongly urged your predecessor to widen the discussion beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic. We offer you the same advice today.
Our sources confirm that a chemical incident of some sort did cause fatalities and injuries on August 21 in a suburb of Damascus. They insist, however, that the incident was not the result of an attack by the Syrian Army using military-grade chemical weapons from its arsenal. That is the most salient fact, according to CIA officers working on the Syria issue. They tell us that CIA Director John Brennan is perpetrating a pre-Iraq-War-type fraud on members of Congress, the media, the public and perhaps even you.
We have been down this road before with President George W. Bush, to whom we addressed our first VIPS memorandum immediately after Colin Powells Feb. 5, 2003 U.N. speech, in which he peddled fraudulent intelligence to support attacking Iraq. Then, also, we chose to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was being misled or, at the least, very poorly advised.
The fraudulent nature of Powells speech was a no-brainer. And so, that very afternoon we strongly urged your predecessor to widen the discussion beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic. We offer you the same advice today.
Our sources confirm that a chemical incident of some sort did cause fatalities and injuries on August 21 in a suburb of Damascus. They insist, however, that the incident was not the result of an attack by the Syrian Army using military-grade chemical weapons from its arsenal. That is the most salient fact, according to CIA officers working on the Syria issue. They tell us that CIA Director John Brennan is perpetrating a pre-Iraq-War-type fraud on members of Congress, the media, the public and perhaps even you.
...They're trying to prove the rebels did it, but are claiming the intelligence the U.S. is presenting against Assad is unreliable?
The nonsense about being "down this road before with President George W. Bush" is beyond absurd.
This is basically another Assad didn't do it argument. The intelligence isn't fake. The attack isn't a figment of anyone's imagination. Even they acknowledge the attack, but are making a convoluted case that the rebels did it. The scale and location of the attacks make the case against the rebels more implausible, but those trying to absolve Assad seem to want to portray their claims as irrefutable.
There is also evidence from other countries implicating Assad.
The UN is having samples from Syria tested. France and Germany presented evidence Assad did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023590778
Sarin traces found in Syria chemical weapons attack, Britain says
By Michael Pearson. Greg Botelho and Holly Yan, CNN
(CNN) -- British military scientists found traces of sarin gas in soil and clothing taken from a patient treated near the site of an alleged chemical weapons attack outside Syria's capital, the prime minister's office said Thursday.
Scientists at the Porton Down military laboratory concluded the samples were unlikely to have been faked, and Britain is sharing its findings with the United Nations, the office said.
The revelation is the most specific statement by British officials regarding the chemical they believe was used in the August 21 attack on a rebel stronghold near Damascus, though the office didn't explicitly say who was responsible. U.S. officials have, blaming Syrian government forces for an attack they say left more than 1,400 people dead, many of them children.
The British statement is not the first allegation that sarin gas -- an extremely volatile nerve agent that can kill -- has been used in Syria's gruesome, two-year civil war.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/05/world/meast/syria-civil-war/
By Michael Pearson. Greg Botelho and Holly Yan, CNN
(CNN) -- British military scientists found traces of sarin gas in soil and clothing taken from a patient treated near the site of an alleged chemical weapons attack outside Syria's capital, the prime minister's office said Thursday.
Scientists at the Porton Down military laboratory concluded the samples were unlikely to have been faked, and Britain is sharing its findings with the United Nations, the office said.
The revelation is the most specific statement by British officials regarding the chemical they believe was used in the August 21 attack on a rebel stronghold near Damascus, though the office didn't explicitly say who was responsible. U.S. officials have, blaming Syrian government forces for an attack they say left more than 1,400 people dead, many of them children.
The British statement is not the first allegation that sarin gas -- an extremely volatile nerve agent that can kill -- has been used in Syria's gruesome, two-year civil war.
- more -
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/05/world/meast/syria-civil-war/
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U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials to Obama: “Assad NOT Responsible for Chemical Attack” [View all]
Catherina
Sep 2013
OP
Once again you blindly pin what little credibility you have to the administration line
whatchamacallit
Sep 2013
#9
+1. Agreed. They have already come to terms with killing each other. So tricking
GoneFishin
Sep 2013
#140
The CIA Takes Orders from the Same Billionaires which Staffs the State Dept
HumansAndResources
Sep 2013
#191
"but that any potential military attack against it should wait for a U.N. inspectors’ report."
ProSense
Sep 2013
#28
True, but only in that PS sticks to a specific subset of verifiable facts
mindwalker_i
Sep 2013
#143
+10000000 -- plenty of time for blind partisanship during campaign season.
nashville_brook
Sep 2013
#213
Politicians answer to the CIA and the NSA and the 16 other "intelligence Organizaions" that
iemitsu
Sep 2013
#155
Historically, V.I.P.S. has demonstrated great integrity and collectively deserves the utmost respect
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2013
#114
9/10- Gareth Porter: Some in US Intel. Community Reject Obama Admin Case for Syria Attack (part 1)
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2013
#236
It's not unplausible. But I have come to suspect that he leans that way already after
GoneFishin
Sep 2013
#142
It's lucky for PBO that he has decent people trying to stop him from this ill advised war
MNBrewer
Sep 2013
#5
Decent people? Larry Johnson did the "whitey tape" bullshit about Michelle Obama.
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#113
I would work with Ron Paul to keep us out of war. I would work with RAND Paul to do the same thing
MNBrewer
Sep 2013
#69
"Without corroboration, it's meaningless"? Where's the corroboration that you were in intelligence?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#96
I surmise their recent experience is likely better than 30 years more recent than yours.
rug
Sep 2013
#141
and of course they severe all ties with former coworkers and have zero inside connections..
frylock
Sep 2013
#53
Props and Kudo's to you MineralMan, trust me when I say I understand.
Rebellious Republican
Sep 2013
#73
You were a peon. Peons as we all well know have different rules and access than the bosses.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#99
If you didn't care you wouldn't have made the statement and continued to argue it.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#125
Nonsense. I'm willing to beleive that your experience in the intelligence business has no relevance
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#85
How are you in a position to judge what they know vs. what Obama knows? nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#188
Hang the facts, hang reason, hang legality: the RW PNAC agenda must move ahead at all cost
indepat
Sep 2013
#22
This entire article boils down to 3 meager paragraphs containing not one fact, no evidence.
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#24
Barbara Lee, who was the only member of Congress to Vote against the Afghanistan War Authorization
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2013
#35
Or like the Iranians "Gassed Themselves" - or So We Were Told When The USA Was Backing Saddam
HumansAndResources
Sep 2013
#192
And if this is legit, why didn't the signers send their letter to major national media sources?
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#38
Or the Boston Globe, the Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, the Seattle Times or any number
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#131
and none of that matters to me. what matters is the accuracy of this group in past..
frylock
Sep 2013
#132
Puh-leeze...the WP and the other "papers of record" don't want to vet the letter
Raksha
Sep 2013
#145
But I thought who did it didn't matter. They want their damn war and, by god, they'll it
valerief
Sep 2013
#37
Oh, I think that Assad's forces did it. The evidence for it appears much stronger than this
cali
Sep 2013
#44
What the hell do you mean, " . . . draw the US into a battle against them?"
another_liberal
Sep 2013
#72
Whatever Senator Kerry had access to before the Iraq War started was useless
David Krout
Sep 2013
#75
Kerry also seemed to forget what bringing down the strongman Saddam Hussein
amandabeech
Sep 2013
#147
Did the 12 people who sign this statement have to do with the 'Whitey' tape?
David Krout
Sep 2013
#80
Instead they're persisting. Grayson and Amash not impressed with their bogus intel
Catherina
Sep 2013
#78
Islamist factions among the rebels have already said they have chemical weapons.
another_liberal
Sep 2013
#149
Would all respondents to this OP who believe 9/11 was an inside job please step forward?
Flatulo
Sep 2013
#83
The link say that they are the one who make that statement...but I cannot found a single
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#107
Your use of a double negative is suspicious. What nation do you represent? nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#184
That sentence doesnt even make sense. Are you having trouble translating? What is
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#187
Oh right, I remember you, you are the one who do not succeed about one of my video...
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#189
What is your first language. Your sentences dont make any sense. You seem to be
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#190
Since you don't have any source to back this frauds, I suppose that you don't have Internet ? Nt
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#230
Whoo-hoo! Now we know what 9/11 Truthers and Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson have to say!
Bolo Boffin
Sep 2013
#103
Larry Johnson previously claimed he had a tape of Michelle Obama saying "whitey"
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#105
Its a forgery : No, any U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials are saying that to Obama. Nt
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#110
Interesting that VIPS cites a mirror image of a US-Israeli-Jordanian op reported by DEBKA on 08/17
leveymg
Sep 2013
#133
Nor do I. But, that one was hard to ignore. Is this the .ru site you referenced? Still up.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#162
It's real. Ray McGovern has it up on his blog. Thomas Drake tweeted it out, so did Robert Parry.
Catherina
Sep 2013
#161
"A war the Pentagon doesn’t want" By Robert H. Scales, retired Army major general
Catherina
Sep 2013
#166
If there is a shadow of doubt .. then we've go no business bombing that country.
YOHABLO
Sep 2013
#171
Qaddafi did all those things right before he was toppled. keyword: humanitarian vulcans
nashville_brook
Sep 2013
#214
Obama to U.S. military and intelligence officials, and to us, SO WHAT?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#211
what officials? everybody on that list has (ret) or (former) after their name.
arely staircase
Sep 2013
#216
While I opposed bombing Syria, I can't see how these people's opinion is any different than
OregonBlue
Sep 2013
#218
if assad didn't do it, then he should have no problem giving up the chemical weapons he
ellenfl
Sep 2013
#235