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In reply to the discussion: No. I've seen the recent videos. Sarin gas attacks on civilians. It needs a response. [View all]Check this out, it's insane:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023617644
Jesus Malverde (444 posts)
16. The sense was the rebels were losing after qusair.
It's also not clear that the people involved want this war to end.
For over two years the gulf states have been encouraging their citizens to go to Syria and to wage jihad. They have even emptied their death rows to fill the ranks of the rebels. The gulf princes did not send these men to Syria to be trained and radicalized so they can return home to unemployment and social injustice.
Once in Syria these men are poorly armed and receive minimal training. Typical kit consists of a ammo carrier, an assault rifle and a t-shirt. Congress long ago authorized non lethal aid for the rebels, two years later they still lack flack jackets, helmets, or smoke grenades for cover, all easily provided non lethal aid.
The leaders then fail to use tactics common to insurgencies and send the lightly armed Jihadist to confront a modern army face to face and to hold territory that can be easily blasted with artillery, tanks and air power.
The lunacy of this can be seen with the Yellow Brigade who wore bright YELLOW t-shirts into battle.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017142498
They and their commander were destroyed, documented here - warning graphic -
Warning .....what happened to the FSA yellow brigade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023617644
Jesus Malverde (444 posts)
16. The sense was the rebels were losing after qusair.
It's also not clear that the people involved want this war to end.
For over two years the gulf states have been encouraging their citizens to go to Syria and to wage jihad. They have even emptied their death rows to fill the ranks of the rebels. The gulf princes did not send these men to Syria to be trained and radicalized so they can return home to unemployment and social injustice.
Once in Syria these men are poorly armed and receive minimal training. Typical kit consists of a ammo carrier, an assault rifle and a t-shirt. Congress long ago authorized non lethal aid for the rebels, two years later they still lack flack jackets, helmets, or smoke grenades for cover, all easily provided non lethal aid.
The leaders then fail to use tactics common to insurgencies and send the lightly armed Jihadist to confront a modern army face to face and to hold territory that can be easily blasted with artillery, tanks and air power.
The lunacy of this can be seen with the Yellow Brigade who wore bright YELLOW t-shirts into battle.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017142498
They and their commander were destroyed, documented here - warning graphic -
Warning .....what happened to the FSA yellow brigade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023617644
Jesus Malverde (444 posts)
27. Secret memo says more than 1,200 prisoners fought Assad regime to avoid beheading.
Saudi Arabia has sent death-row inmates from several nations to fight against the Syrian government in exchange for commuting their sentences, the Assyrian International News Agency reports.
Citing what it calls a "top secret memo" in April from the Ministry of Interior, AINA says the Saudi offered 1,239 inmates a pardon and a monthly stipend for their families, which were were allowed to stay in the Sunni Arab kingdom. Syrian President Bashar Assad is an Alawite, a minority Shiite sect.
According to an English translation of the memo, besides Saudis, the prisoners included Afghans, Egyptians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Somalis, Sudanese, Syrians and Yemenis. All faced "execution by sword" for murder, rape or drug smuggling.
Russia, which has backed Assad, objected to the bargain and allegedly threatened to bring the issue to the United Nations, said an unidentified former Iraqi member of Parliament who confirmed the memo's authenticity, says AINA, an independent outlet.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/21/saudi-inmates-fight-syria-commute-death-sentences/1852629/
110 Yemenis, 21 Palestinians, 212 Saudis, 96 Sudanese, 254 Syrians, 82 Jordanians, 68 Somalis, 32 Afghanis, 94 Egyptians, 203 Pakistanis, 23 Iraqis, and 44 Kuwaitis.
http://www.aina.org/news/20130120160624.htm
27. Secret memo says more than 1,200 prisoners fought Assad regime to avoid beheading.
Saudi Arabia has sent death-row inmates from several nations to fight against the Syrian government in exchange for commuting their sentences, the Assyrian International News Agency reports.
Citing what it calls a "top secret memo" in April from the Ministry of Interior, AINA says the Saudi offered 1,239 inmates a pardon and a monthly stipend for their families, which were were allowed to stay in the Sunni Arab kingdom. Syrian President Bashar Assad is an Alawite, a minority Shiite sect.
According to an English translation of the memo, besides Saudis, the prisoners included Afghans, Egyptians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Somalis, Sudanese, Syrians and Yemenis. All faced "execution by sword" for murder, rape or drug smuggling.
Russia, which has backed Assad, objected to the bargain and allegedly threatened to bring the issue to the United Nations, said an unidentified former Iraqi member of Parliament who confirmed the memo's authenticity, says AINA, an independent outlet.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/21/saudi-inmates-fight-syria-commute-death-sentences/1852629/
110 Yemenis, 21 Palestinians, 212 Saudis, 96 Sudanese, 254 Syrians, 82 Jordanians, 68 Somalis, 32 Afghanis, 94 Egyptians, 203 Pakistanis, 23 Iraqis, and 44 Kuwaitis.
http://www.aina.org/news/20130120160624.htm
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No. I've seen the recent videos. Sarin gas attacks on civilians. It needs a response. [View all]
pinto
Sep 2013
OP
Good point. Yet there already is a regional war. My advocacy is the sarin use capabilty.
pinto
Sep 2013
#8
100,000 civilians dead and 2,000,000 displaced from the larger conflict
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2013
#12
that's my point as well. If we intervene it'll have to be further down the road.
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#22
I think the statement was being made that disarming Assad of his chemical weapons would require
MNBrewer
Sep 2013
#14
Delivery Systems ?? The US would have to destroy every artillery piece (and there are thousands)
warrant46
Sep 2013
#52
Shoulder-fire anti aircraft missiles to take down Assad's helicopters. He already has trouble
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#20
Sounds so simple...but how do you disarm an unwilling opponent..targeted sanctions requires
lumpy
Sep 2013
#75
Military intervention should be tried at last resort after every other means have
Cleita
Sep 2013
#86
The US has not been supplying Assad with weapons, only the rebels (that is a mistake and should
lumpy
Sep 2013
#92
Yes, the claim is that Russia is supplying Assad with weapons. However you said that WE
lumpy
Sep 2013
#98
I know the PNAC agenda is foremost with our leaders. We are going to have to make them think
Cleita
Sep 2013
#48
Exactly, you and I are on the same page with this. It's definitely a job for the UN, no matter
Cleita
Sep 2013
#66
Putin and Assad are allies in a sense. They are close trading/political buddies. I guess Putin
lumpy
Sep 2013
#79
His name is Kruschev. Doesn't look like I spelled it correctly -maybe Khruschev?
Raksha
Sep 2013
#133
Yes, it would be ideal if UN members woud take this seriously and become partners to agree
lumpy
Sep 2013
#101
Some of these ideas suggested are very impractical and require military action, unless Assad
lumpy
Sep 2013
#85
Hey, we are screwn anyway one looks at it. I would like to see the use of chemical weapons
lumpy
Sep 2013
#95
Figure out how to get a general to depose Assad. Restart negotiations. At least pretend
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#23
Do you trust the rest of the people to secure and not use the chemical weapons afterwards?
cleanhippie
Sep 2013
#26
Hence, the stated intent of not advocating regime change. Keep the Syrian military intact. Jettison
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#30
Is it proven beyond reasonable doubt that Assad ordered the use of chemical weapons?
cleanhippie
Sep 2013
#34
I think disabling the Assad regime's ability to gas their citizens is a good thing.
pinto
Sep 2013
#46
Me either. Thats why I am against attacking Syria. I only see negative consequences.
cleanhippie
Sep 2013
#72
Iranian leaders said so, restated for political purpose, but their people know:
freshwest
Sep 2013
#134
Of the six possible sanctions allowed by the Syria Accountability Act, only two have been
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#44
Why. did someone use biological/chemical weapons on their own civilians in those countries? n/t
EX500rider
Sep 2013
#55
What kind of response would prevent any future use of chemical weapons in Syria?
cleanhippie
Sep 2013
#73
Sounds like what we did to Saddam before a million+ civilians starved under sanctions
NoOneMan
Sep 2013
#88
Saving a greater number of people from dying can be considered a "good" n/t
EX500rider
Sep 2013
#108
Hypothetically saving a greater number of people from dying can be considered a hypothetical
MNBrewer
Sep 2013
#114
Some hypotheses have more reasonable assumptions built into them than others.
MNBrewer
Sep 2013
#136
I see your point. Yet I don't think it's about ethnicity or race. Or regional civil wars in general.
pinto
Sep 2013
#122
I think we need to send forks so our rebels can more effectively eat human hearts
NoOneMan
Sep 2013
#54
I've seen the videos from Iraq, they demand a response. It was another term
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#57
Hey! See your point. It's a tough call and a dicey situation. To use your analogy -
pinto
Sep 2013
#132
Yes you are right, and that will end it, Assad won't try to respond to our response right?
Valhallakey
Sep 2013
#105
Of course it needs a response. I expect the UN to step up to the plate and
kestrel91316
Sep 2013
#109