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25. Let me play devil's advocate ( and I DONT support attacking Syria)

Reply to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:50 PM

Sep 2013

Actually this has little to do with Syria, but how many here on DU have lamented "What happened to Obama?"
When he was campaigning he promised to do away with so much and yet he has kept much of what was begun under Bush and even expanded some programs. We all wonder, what the heck? Well, here's something I don't think a lot of people factor in.
Its easy to promise when you're running. But then you get elected and all of a sudden you get to see EVERYTHING. ALL the intel thats been gathered, all the operations ongoing, everything. And you get to see just how much evil IS going on out there and how much of it wants to get to US. And we cannot know all that HE knows, nor should we. We already are told too much about what is covertly going on.
In a nutshell, Obama goes into office and says "holy shit, I had no idea". Neither do we.

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I'm finally putting the pieces together about this reigning insanity and I don't like what I see. [View all] world wide wally Sep 2013 OP

It definitely raises many more troubling questions than we're *ever* going to get answers for. MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #1

It makes sense that Obama wants to follow Saudi Arabia's lead Ocelot Sep 2013 #130

"As usual the evil genius powers have the upper hand in more ways than we can even imagine." factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #2

I still remember one particular NPR report by Cokie Roberts. KansDem Sep 2013 #95

Don't forget ctsnowman Sep 2013 #115

AND he could probably order the beer in Spanish--what a guy! factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #118

lol ctsnowman Sep 2013 #123

"What a guy!" KansDem Sep 2013 #128

He knew that the world was his oyster. factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #132

She was and is wrong on SO many levels. factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #117

Cokie Roberts is now, and has always been a tool of the GOP. Vanje Sep 2013 #141

You're getting it. Cleita Sep 2013 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Awknid Sep 2013 #43

They would just shoot us. Cleita Sep 2013 #44

You get it.... Pachamama Sep 2013 #85

Kicked pscot Sep 2013 #4

"Is the world this evil and corrupted?" Not the world, just the parasites that own it. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #5

nice quote +1 hibbing Sep 2013 #78

TYVM. It's good to see more people thinking about 'why & who'. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #142

There's some fascinating information here: factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #6

Add the TPP legislation to that Hydra Sep 2013 #7

Yep all the discussion about the coming war indicates that we really shouldn't be concerned about truedelphi Sep 2013 #81

The "good news" is the temporary coalition between the Progressive and Tea Party Caucus opposing pampango Sep 2013 #108

It *could* be about the use of chemical weapons. Barack_America Sep 2013 #8

If the President wanted to mitigate the suffering from future Sarin attacks, Vanje Sep 2013 #29

+1 Little Star Sep 2013 #51

Touche! Carolina Sep 2013 #62

Good idea about the antidote, but then the MIC/PNAC gang wouldn't make any $$$ ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #84

Atropine is not an antidote mwrguy Sep 2013 #86

Better send gas masks too. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #93

We don't have an altruistic government. proReality Sep 2013 #76

It's not. Didn't we all get fooled once already with Iraq? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #90

Yeah, and remember... KansDem Sep 2013 #97

Tell ya what.... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #107

What happened to our President? zeemike Sep 2013 #9

I think most people who run for high office have a naive notion tblue37 Sep 2013 #18

+1 Hissyspit Sep 2013 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Awknid Sep 2013 #45

I was NOT saying that HE is a sociopath. I was saying that those who really have the tblue37 Sep 2013 #49

I think he was TOLD how it's going to go down... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #70

I don't know if this is "en"couraging or "dis"couraging, but you may well be right world wide wally Sep 2013 #71

Well summarized.... Pachamama Sep 2013 #88

Pretty much. I think POTUS has some power, but not on the "important" issues (i.e., foreign policy). reformist2 Sep 2013 #100

Protest in your area or join other future protests - TBF Sep 2013 #105

Well, it hasn't been restored-- they call theses things campaign promises for a reason. eilen Sep 2013 #111

Yes, I was also struck by that very serious, not happy look on PBO's face on election night whathehell Sep 2013 #79

His Campaign Advisors included Brzenzki (war criminal) and Wall St types HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #82

I remember an interview with Jimmy Carter zeemike Sep 2013 #57

I agree! felix_numinous Sep 2013 #140

CT!!!! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #26

He was corrupted. He sold out. He failed as a person. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #91

I think he was simply screened. Marr Sep 2013 #146

The sad part is you are probably right zeemike Sep 2013 #147

Follow the money. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #10

+1 harun Sep 2013 #121

Is the world this evil and corrupted? DeSwiss Sep 2013 #11

Wow. How can they not think there will be unintended consequences? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #15

They're counting on them. :-| n/t DeSwiss Sep 2013 #24

Exactly. Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #65

What do they gain... PopeOxycontinI Sep 2013 #89

Smaller population to control, Z_I_Peevey Sep 2013 #122

I suppose.... PopeOxycontinI Sep 2013 #137

A Financial System Reset Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #143

Exactly... sendero Sep 2013 #101

You realize you are advocating the overthrow of democracy here right? That's the current "system" we VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #27

You can still have democracy without money or banks. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #32

but you said we need a new "system"... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #33

I did not say that. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #35

what does "creating a new system" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #36

If you are unable to understand DeSwiss' post, I am unable to help you. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #38

+1 nt marew Sep 2013 #50

Jesus, do you understand english? You keep repeating things that were not said...... Little Star Sep 2013 #53

There's lots of systems in play here, not just democracy. Scuba Sep 2013 #104

Pssst....look here: dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #109

Our "economic system" is chervilant Sep 2013 #114

but he did not say "change our economic system" did he? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #126

"...no system is without flaws..." chervilant Sep 2013 #134

Democratic socialism, perhaps? Iceland didn't actually get rid tblue37 Sep 2013 #145

that I can get behind... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #152

Correction, democracy in name only. You toss it out in favor of a functioning democracy. polichick Sep 2013 #41

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thats the Republic part of our form of Democracy in play.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #127

.... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #63

It is not the democracy that is the problem - TBF Sep 2013 #106

that is NOT what he said.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #125

Did I say that he said that? TBF Sep 2013 #151

K&R - I pretty much share your feelings. Bombing Syria stinks to high heaven. 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #12

. jazzimov Sep 2013 #13

Insightful. I think there's a Larry the Cable Guy avatar, if you're interested in switching. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #61

Saudis fund every major U.S. initiative against Iran bigtree Sep 2013 #14

The Iranians are their greatest enemy. amandabeech Sep 2013 #58

Obama and Kerry are Disney animatronics. Or soulless. That's my take on it. nt valerief Sep 2013 #16

"Republicans get to play the "Peace Party" and sweep into office in the coming elections" iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #17

The Democratic Party is not helping itself by exposing their true agenda. mick063 Sep 2013 #20

"true agenda"? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #28

That's what I keep wondering every time I reads one of your posts. Little Star Sep 2013 #54

So Larry Summers is Imaginary? Obama's 1st Natl-Sec Director - No "Daily Orders" from Kissinger? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #83

Am I reading your post right? Not Sure Sep 2013 #48

Ding ding we have a winner malaise Sep 2013 #21

I don't think the world is evil. I think evil people somehow manage to get into positions of power sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #22

So true. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #30

Nicely put! randome Sep 2013 #47

I have a feeling that day isn't far off, although I couldn't tell you why. Raksha Sep 2013 #66

Yes, it is this evil and corrupted Link Speed Sep 2013 #23

Let me play devil's advocate ( and I DONT support attacking Syria) 7962 Sep 2013 #25

+1 nt tweeternik Sep 2013 #52

But so much of how he has failed us has not one damn thing to do with the EVILS truedelphi Sep 2013 #94

The decision to be the employee of the 1% was made long before his election. bvar22 Sep 2013 #129

O, but, bvar, chervilant Sep 2013 #138

That's what I've thought since 2004. Marr Sep 2013 #148

In this game, with BILLIONS on the table, bvar22 Sep 2013 #149

Wow, what you've said is pretty much what the GOP was yelling during the 08 campaign! 7962 Sep 2013 #150

If this administration is successful at launching a new WAR... bvar22 Sep 2013 #153

One of the best descriptions of current realpolitik on DU. AdHocSolver Sep 2013 #31

USA, the world's rent-a-army n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #34

Yep, now we're the Hessians. Brigid Sep 2013 #69

Yep. mick063 Sep 2013 #39

+1 n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #73

Though I have a very good reason to doubt that Syria will help the GOP much, especially given....... AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #37

Everything is not a puzzle. randome Sep 2013 #40

One corporate/mic party - two faces. That's becoming clear to more and more people. polichick Sep 2013 #42

I doubt your wrong. k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #55

And the munitions industry and makers of sarin gas make lots & lots of money. Pyrzqxgl Sep 2013 #56

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Don't forget that the Russians sell a lot of oil. amandabeech Sep 2013 #60

what happened? nradisic Sep 2013 #64

Hope And Change Has Become Comply Or Die cantbeserious Sep 2013 #67

After 9/11 Lonr Sep 2013 #68

I am so disappointed regarding the president. I think I may be beginning to hate him. n/t SylviaD Sep 2013 #72

Got this from facebook Bryn Sep 2013 #74

you are wrong in a way Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #75

you raise some excellent and valid points samsingh Sep 2013 #77

To say that the President sold out is to rationalize that he was ever in charge. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #80

Can you provide a link to the Palast article you mention? nxylas Sep 2013 #87

Here is the link...http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/making_the_world_safe_for_banksters_syria_in_ world wide wally Sep 2013 #92

Thanks n/t nxylas Sep 2013 #120

Thanks for asking, I was going to do the same thing Turborama Sep 2013 #144

The logic in this post flows like a mathematical formula polynomial Sep 2013 #96

Thank you for posting this bobduca Sep 2013 #102

WTF is going on here? Enthusiast Sep 2013 #98

Anyone that thinks this is about. sendero Sep 2013 #99

Have you read his books? TBF Sep 2013 #103

Upgrade from World's Policeman to World's Mercenary! bobduca Sep 2013 #110

I have to disagree with this analysis. Laelth Sep 2013 #112

Its astonishing how low a bar DU has reached when it comes to conspiracy claptrap. grantcart Sep 2013 #113

Spot on. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #116

Welcome to the club Demeter Sep 2013 #119

Obama wants American soldiers to die for one of the most homophobic countries on earth Ocelot Sep 2013 #124

Bookmarking CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #131

Power & resources, not good intentions DirkGently Sep 2013 #133

I have a theory that Kerry convinced Obama, rather than the inverse. LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #135

Looks like we are giving the cauldron a stir. JEB Sep 2013 #136

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