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MH1

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87. I'm going to wait to see how it plays out, but I think yours is one of many valid theories.

Sat Sep 7, 2013, 05:36 PM

Sep 2013

The one thing I know for sure about this situation is that there's a lot I don't know.

I think it's possible that Obama really did foresee the "if Obama's for it we're against it reaction" (gee what a surprise that would be ... not like it's ever happened before ...).

I also think it's possible that he genuinely feels that we should strike Assad's capability to deliver chemical weapons, but also that this situation warranted consulting Congress.

I also think it's possible he's merely been reacting to the political winds, hence the initial call for a strike (when so many were crying "Chemical weapons!! what about your red line?", then after some raised a stink, the decision to consult Congress. I tend to think this is the least likely, but not utterly impossible.

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I know I'm going to get ripped apart for saying this.... [View all] Avalux Sep 2013 OP

So you think Obama doesn't want to strike? polichick Sep 2013 #1

Yes I do. Avalux Sep 2013 #3

Why make the pitch on Tuesday then? polichick Sep 2013 #5

Look at it this way.... Avalux Sep 2013 #8

Interesting theory - I'd love to think he wasn't about the mic... polichick Sep 2013 #10

I'm an optimist I guess. Avalux Sep 2013 #16

I wish you were right, Avalux. but he is going to do this because he roguevalley Sep 2013 #88

He has also been steadfastly Non-proliferation... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #35

Because his actions don't always match his rhetoric. polichick Sep 2013 #44

his language hasn't expressed his non-proliferation policies? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #46

Let's hope your are correct. FarPoint Sep 2013 #36

His "essence?" I've met him... polichick Sep 2013 #40

They'd be saying he is a pacifist, weak, coward, communist... louis-t Sep 2013 #45

You're spot on... Avalux Sep 2013 #67

You may be on to something. Obama knows how Republicans react to him treestar Sep 2013 #68

You've got it. Avalux Sep 2013 #70

Either way, they will scream for impeachment saying louis-t Sep 2013 #76

Obama is the most reluctant war monger I've ever seen N/T War Horse Sep 2013 #43

Not really. He went with the Pentagon re adding troops in Afg... polichick Sep 2013 #48

Comedy Gold. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #2

Thanks!! Avalux Sep 2013 #4

More 11-Dimensional Rope-a-Dope Baloney. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #6

A code-word for "I don't understand it" ... eom Kolesar Sep 2013 #15

More like code for "Given what we've seen, not a chance." polichick Sep 2013 #21

"Thought everyone got past that BS line." Kolesar Sep 2013 #24

What I posted is how I'd read that vs your reading. polichick Sep 2013 #26

Is that why he compared Americans ignoring the gassing to Americans who ignored the Blitz?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #7

He's out on a limb, that's for sure. Avalux Sep 2013 #11

Ronald Reagan ignored Saddam's gassing of thousands, he might have even assisted in it Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #83

He could REALLY unite people by threatening to bomb Canada! leftstreet Sep 2013 #9

the sky is green. cali Sep 2013 #12

How does it weaken him if he gets the desired outcome? Avalux Sep 2013 #19

first of all, if it's his desired outcome, why take such a risky cali Sep 2013 #28

What would he get done anyway with this Congress? Avalux Sep 2013 #31

I don't think that's his desired outcome at all MNBrewer Sep 2013 #29

Face value politics is a misnomer. Avalux Sep 2013 #33

I'm cynical, but not that cynical MNBrewer Sep 2013 #37

All he had to do was to announce, the truth in fact, that there is evidence now that he did not have sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #75

Bill Press9/3:It was a brilliant move. And the right move to make � legally, morally and politically Kolesar Sep 2013 #13

But whose idea was it to go to Congress... polichick Sep 2013 #14

Thank you for posting this! Avalux Sep 2013 #17

Dear Congress: Here is a monkey to wear on your back Kolesar Sep 2013 #22

Yep! There are DUers agreeing with Rand Paul over this. Avalux Sep 2013 #27

He reserved the right to strike without congress. morningfog Sep 2013 #25

Of course he did. Why would he say "I'll listen to whatever Congress wants" Avalux Sep 2013 #55

And his good buddy Cameron went to parliament for the same reason. Gimmeabreak...... Little Star Sep 2013 #80

He has to say that, diplomatically Nevernose Sep 2013 #71

Thanks for this, Kolesar. Bill Press has a pretty incisive mind Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #86

I like that thought - but I think it's about as likely as believing Bush and Cheney intentionally Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #18

Not really. Avalux Sep 2013 #20

I don't believe it either, of course - I just don't find either scenario likely Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #23

It is a good thing. Avalux Sep 2013 #34

It's Maslow not Maslov cali Sep 2013 #52

Well aren't you the superior one. Avalux Sep 2013 #59

a typo? v and y are just so close together. cali Sep 2013 #66

v and w are just so close together as well. n/t Avalux Sep 2013 #69

And meanwhile, while every politiican maneuvers, children and innocent civilians question everything Sep 2013 #30

Perhaps the Democratic Party should nominate Clark Kent next time MNBrewer Sep 2013 #38

Ahahahahaha, good one! LittleBlue Sep 2013 #32

I think it's interesting: it demonstrates the extremes some people cali Sep 2013 #41

This concept has been proposed by others n2doc Sep 2013 #39

Stop making a Messiah out of him. He just wanted war and fail at that because OTHERS opposed. ocpagu Sep 2013 #42

What are you trying to say, because it doesn't make sense. Avalux Sep 2013 #49

He should come out for Social Security cuts. We'll all be rich. rug Sep 2013 #47

You may have something there.... Avalux Sep 2013 #50

I think there's something to your theory. After all, CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #51

sheesh. this is just absurd. cali Sep 2013 #56

wow . . . . but not unexpected DrDan Sep 2013 #53

I feel sorry for you. Avalux Sep 2013 #54

you are simply full of it - when did I say I did not like Obama DrDan Sep 2013 #57

Then why the snarky post? Avalux Sep 2013 #60

my post is a comment on Obama supporters - not Obama DrDan Sep 2013 #63

Ahh I see.... Avalux Sep 2013 #65

heh SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #78

I'm looking for GD and ended up in the BOG. mick063 Sep 2013 #58

col (chuckled out loud) DrDan Sep 2013 #61

Next, he should suggest pot be made illegal xfundy Sep 2013 #62

They'd have to.... Avalux Sep 2013 #64

It would actually be a brilliant move. mick063 Sep 2013 #73

Have you read this?? Avalux Sep 2013 #72

So... would it still be a genius move if congress did his bidding and authorized the attack? whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #74

Actually, yes. Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #82

Eh... whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #84

Yup. Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #92

If he ends up not bombing I'll give him credit. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #77

It takes a supergenius to seem clever whether or not you get what you want. sibelian Sep 2013 #79

OFFS Marrah_G Sep 2013 #81

Obama doesn't have elections in his future, but other Dems DO. Dems to Win Sep 2013 #85

I'm going to wait to see how it plays out, but I think yours is one of many valid theories. MH1 Sep 2013 #87

You're right there is a lot we don't know. Avalux Sep 2013 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #89

I take a bit more moderate view davidpdx Sep 2013 #91

I hope you're right, but it's waaay too early to be giving him credit for multidimensional chess. reformist2 Sep 2013 #93