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mick063

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77. You know as well as I do.

Sat Sep 7, 2013, 05:45 PM

Sep 2013

If the President had not asked for a Congressional vote and had acted unilaterally to strike Syria, you would have collectively "dove in" head first and backed his decision every step of the way.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about that.

The "wait for more information" meme is recycled spin from the faction that is looking for an excuse, any excuse, to vote yes on Syria strikes.

To answer your reply ahead of time:

It doesn't matter what exclusive intel the President has.
It doesn't matter that Assad conclusively used chemical weapons.

What matters is that we are broke from bailing out those that live in tax havens and it is time for the world to collectively claim a portion of global civic responsibility. If it is vital to send a global message, let Europe do it this time. On their own. Without US blood and treasure. That would send the strongest possible message.

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Hey, MSNBC. Yeah, I'm talking to you. Thanks for the snuff videos you just showed. [View all] Cleita Sep 2013 OP

I don't watch that channel anymore. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #1

There's nothing much else on Saturday. I switch between them and Al Jazeera now. Cleita Sep 2013 #3

However, at night, there's always that wonderful prison stuff, "Lockup." Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #31

I don't have cable tavalon Sep 2013 #61

Is Al Jazerra still streaming? I'd heard they went dark once cable and sat picked them up. Flatulo Sep 2013 #97

It's been a while tavalon Sep 2013 #150

In an age of manufactured news cycles... Chan790 Sep 2013 #70

I'm not into sports and that's mainly what's on or commercials to try to make you buy stuff. Cleita Sep 2013 #72

Caution on al Jazeera - it was established by the Emir of Qatar. leveymg Sep 2013 #102

I've been watching it a long time, even before they took over Current TV. Cleita Sep 2013 #104

MSNBC has become televised BOG mick063 Sep 2013 #2

and they were BOGGERS for Bush's Iraq war too? Whisp Sep 2013 #14

The BOG wants war. mick063 Sep 2013 #25

Oh BS treestar Sep 2013 #27

If nobody wants war . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #107

If you're around enough you will see which posters treestar Sep 2013 #161

Blaming "the banksters?" I say! another_liberal Sep 2013 #171

bullshit. The BOG wants to hear the President out Whisp Sep 2013 #29

Completely agree. n/t FSogol Sep 2013 #37

You know as well as I do. mick063 Sep 2013 #77

well, then it's all settled, you know everything about everyone. Whisp Sep 2013 #81

So attacking Syria is Okay if Europe does it, Progressive dog Sep 2013 #121

The BOG is a very bad place, not sure I'd call it evil, but it is cui bono Sep 2013 #112

the Barack Obama Group on DU wants war? Care to back up that blatant bullshit? KittyWampus Sep 2013 #46

I apologize for my friends, they just did not know you guys were anti bombing Syria Dragonfli Sep 2013 #76

Problem is they don't know what their views are until Obama tells them. cui bono Sep 2013 #113

What does BOG stand for? Raksha Sep 2013 #114

Barack Obama Group (every day I find I am behind on some acronym or other) link below Dragonfli Sep 2013 #117

Well it has many meanings... officially it is Barack Obama Group. cui bono Sep 2013 #118

Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know BOG stood for Barack Obama Group, Raksha Sep 2013 #136

And in Britain OwnedByCats Sep 2013 #159

Well that applies then since the ideas that are floating around in there are... cui bono Sep 2013 #163

Yep lol OwnedByCats Sep 2013 #184

The way the BOG treats fellow DUers is "shitty" to use your words. cui bono Sep 2013 #109

if you come into the BOG all ready for bear Whisp Sep 2013 #115

See? Just like I said. Your last two sentences sum it all up. cui bono Sep 2013 #116

o yeh, I forgot the rule about 'being nice' Whisp Sep 2013 #119

Everyone else here does not let their denial of facts make them ban others from groups. cui bono Sep 2013 #126

you don't like the group system? Take it up with Skinner Whisp Sep 2013 #130

Nice try at deflecting the point. Doesn't change the facts, which you didn't refute. cui bono Sep 2013 #133

The purpose of the groups was to create a safe place for people fitting the charter of the group karynnj Sep 2013 #172

I answered your other post... see that. cui bono Sep 2013 #173

Try this experiment karynnj Sep 2013 #175

You know what? It's on both sides. DU simply does not have a good moderating system. cui bono Sep 2013 #177

I agree that the nastiness is inexcusable and counter productive karynnj Sep 2013 #180

"Spew the nasty shit about obama" Scootaloo Sep 2013 #181

don't you worry your little head about BOG business. Whisp Sep 2013 #182

Well, you don't recall correctly Scootaloo Sep 2013 #183

Why are you threatened because there is a group that by definition respects and generally supports karynnj Sep 2013 #169

I'm not threatened. Doesn't change the fact that it is a bigoted and discriminatory group cui bono Sep 2013 #170

I think that all the groups threads CAN go to the greatest page, karynnj Sep 2013 #174

I agree, there is far too much anger. I've alerted on OPs that agree with my position cui bono Sep 2013 #176

I agree with much of that, but I do think the groups have value karynnj Sep 2013 #178

That's great. I'm not against groups in general. Just bigoted, discrimanatory ones that are afraid cui bono Sep 2013 #179

Good description n/t LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #16

At least two hosts have come against this adventure nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #105

Will they show the people the US Bombs kill? NoOneMan Sep 2013 #4

Me neither. n/t Cleita Sep 2013 #5

exactly. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #6

They wouldn't dare show the victims of the white phosphorus dropped in Iraq. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #19

I thought the heroic Edward Snowden leaked that? treestar Sep 2013 #34

So you're defending Snowden? progressoid Sep 2013 #73

The person is objecting to seeing photos, or others seeing photos treestar Sep 2013 #160

Not that I am aware of NoOneMan Sep 2013 #100

How many deaths from chemical weapons are you willing to accept? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #49

If that's how it works, then you were willing to accept over 100,000 Syrian deaths Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #98

+1 cui bono Sep 2013 #127

Take it up with the UN and international community treestar Sep 2013 #162

About the same as deaths from US bombs NoOneMan Sep 2013 #103

Well said! The horrors of what we do are always sanitized. As someone in a post RKP5637 Sep 2013 #128

Or white phosphorous (used in Iraq to burn flesh off people) NoOneMan Sep 2013 #129

In a nation we destroyed for no reason and had no business being in the first place, yet we RKP5637 Sep 2013 #132

That's one*leak* that won't be investigated n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #7

No kidding. n/t Cleita Sep 2013 #20

I quit watching years ago LittleBlue Sep 2013 #8

They were pipi_k Sep 2013 #9

You are right, that is despicable. Whisp Sep 2013 #10

They put the first ones on the show before Karen Finney with no disclaimer. I forget Cleita Sep 2013 #13

You know they posted that for a reason... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #11

Don't forget the shooting of Germans in a radio station on the Polish border to Cleita Sep 2013 #17

I did not know that. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #33

You're asking the media to liberalhistorian Sep 2013 #12

Yeah, it's funny but it will lead to tragedy. Cleita Sep 2013 #22

Thanks for the warning. It's awful being "played" by the media. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #15

Exactly. This is just such crap. n/t Cleita Sep 2013 #18

I wonder if Finney from MSNBC covered the Honduras coup Whisp Sep 2013 #23

Yep, you can bet on that, it's a given. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #36

exactly right G_j Sep 2013 #47

Completely agree! marew Sep 2013 #21

Humanitarian aid? Medicine? Food? Cleita Sep 2013 #24

There I go again! marew Sep 2013 #32

That would be the BEST thing to do Politicalboi Sep 2013 #44

You cannot be on the wrong side of the UN when you are a permanent member of the Security Council TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #69

There is a lot of hype on many news medias, does not occur only on MSNBC and CNN Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #26

Actually, most people don't do searches and do critical reading. Most DUers do, Cleita Sep 2013 #35

One should not that showing the equivalent US jimlup Sep 2013 #28

Don't look. treestar Sep 2013 #30

Remember... Regarding dead American soldiers... marew Sep 2013 #40

I remember that fetid old bag saying that. I doubt if there is much of a mind up there Cleita Sep 2013 #74

Perfect word choice for that person, "fetid old bag!" Couldn't be better. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #82

Then airing films of the effects of felix_numinous Sep 2013 #38

I am all for that. It's what fair and balanced really is. If we are going to show one camp's Cleita Sep 2013 #39

EXACTLY!!! nt marew Sep 2013 #42

Cleita, I've been also listening to the discussion on MSNBC. Skidmore Sep 2013 #41

I don't think they are discussing the real issues here, just the problems Obama is Cleita Sep 2013 #43

If they could find enough remains to photograph ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #45

you SHOULD see it... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #48

I have seen it over and over. I don't think it's necessary for what they are trying Cleita Sep 2013 #50

I think it IS necessary... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #51

You're not winning friends here trying to smear others. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #53

I am not here to win friends...I am here to support Democrats...thus the name "Democratic Undergroun VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #56

Supporting Democrats right or wrong. Right? totodeinhere Sep 2013 #96

I support democrats because I hate republicans.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #137

Hating Republicans is no good reason for wanting to attack Syria. In fact the opposite just might totodeinhere Sep 2013 #143

can you accept 2 different concepts at the same time? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #144

LOLOL Skittles Sep 2013 #135

that's exactly right.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #145

Not my mind. How about others, like children, who don't need to see those images on a channel that Cleita Sep 2013 #54

I grew up watching Viet Nam.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #58

I grew up in a mining camp and when there was an accidental explosion, I saw them Cleita Sep 2013 #60

I do.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #62

Which brings up the question, maybe we should not have treestar Sep 2013 #164

why? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #165

The OP doesn't want us seeing the photos from Syria treestar Sep 2013 #166

hmmm by that analogy...why do they give us news that happens in any other country? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #167

My analogy may not be working out treestar Sep 2013 #168

That is NOT what Cleita was saying! marew Sep 2013 #63

we SHOULD see this... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #64

People are not in denial. marew Sep 2013 #68

Not one person pecwae Sep 2013 #139

the whole "death = death" crowd VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #65

Tell that to someone... marew Sep 2013 #71

Oh, so naive... Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #83

White Phospherous is... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #155

Maybe we should also see footage of the the US military's use of white phosphorus munitions totodeinhere Sep 2013 #93

I bet it give you a WARGASM! RetroLounge Sep 2013 #154

MIC war atrocities would take a long time felix_numinous Sep 2013 #52

It could take up more time than people have to watch it! n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #55

Actually, that could replace the voyeuristic prison videos so popular these days. n/t Cleita Sep 2013 #57

These videos show the facts. wisteria Sep 2013 #59

And the Dead "Little Ones" sleep...vicitims of Violence...New Ones Every Day! KoKo Sep 2013 #90

WikiLeaks: Iraqi children in U.S. raid shot in head, U.N. says OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #66

I think it's good they show it I think the American people need to see this not only when they do it Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #67

You are dead wrong. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #85

The source of the films has been made clear BainsBane Sep 2013 #75

Wow! You do not believe it is a bit of a leap... marew Sep 2013 #84

She is objecting to it being shown on television BainsBane Sep 2013 #108

facts? MFM008 Sep 2013 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #79

Why shouldnt people know? iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #80

So you equate not wanting to watch suffering with 'ignoring'? Wow! marew Sep 2013 #91

Still waiting on pictures from all those dead Iraqis. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #86

I'm waiting for all the pictures of those live Iraqi and Afghani babies that are being Cleita Sep 2013 #88

Exactly. nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #89

Me too! nt marew Sep 2013 #92

Many pictures have been shown by the media, and guilty Americans have gone to jail. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #94

To claim that the US media has equally considered Iraqi deaths is Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #99

At best . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #120

Absolutely! nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #138

The clips of the videos shown on CNN were the ones that CONGRESS has been given... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #87

Wrong answer- anyone who pretends to have a political opinion about Syria JCMach1 Sep 2013 #95

Very interesting research on Iraq/Kuwait war buildup delrem Sep 2013 #101

I remember the non-existent babies being tossed from non-existent incubators. Cleita Sep 2013 #106

The pitiful dead children videos have lost their effectiveness for swaying public opinion. another_liberal Sep 2013 #110

Thank you. You put it more eloquently than I did. n/t Cleita Sep 2013 #111

How is that "showing these videos to gin up the war drumming being done is really not cool" 4bucksagallon Sep 2013 #122

When you figure out how to write in complete and cognitive sentences expect a response, Cleita Sep 2013 #124

Obama doesn't have to mess with Syria. mimi85 Sep 2013 #123

Pressure from his Wall Street buddies. War supplying company stocks are slowing down. Cleita Sep 2013 #125

The will of the people is peace polynomial Sep 2013 #131

You are so right about the aid the refugees need. The countries that have opened their Cleita Sep 2013 #134

yes cash__whatiwant Sep 2013 #140

why not ? they made a big deal out of that Rebel eating the soldier Heart JI7 Sep 2013 #141

Sick, just sick. DiverDave Sep 2013 #142

You can't handle the truth, or that Obama is trying to stop this atrocity from happeneing again. baldguy Sep 2013 #146

I'm all for intervention and stopping the atrocities but not Cleita Sep 2013 #147

Right. Let's do nothing more than sent Assad a strongly worded letter. That'll stop him. baldguy Sep 2013 #148

Really? Is that all you've got, a strongly worded letter? Cleita Sep 2013 #151

I actually wish our brave media would show nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #152

Also MSNBC continues to say that the authenticity of the videos Cleita Sep 2013 #153

I have zero issues with them showing them nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #158

So, you would be against the horrors of Vietnam that the media started showing that chelsea0011 Sep 2013 #156

Those films were authenticated and shown in context. These aren't. Cleita Sep 2013 #157