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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. WTF?
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 07:05 PM
Sep 2013
I’m told Chuck Hegel has strong reservations, as do the Pentagon’s top generals. But Kerry has no reservations at all, and has convinced the President to stake much of his second-term presidency on it. Why? It’s possible, of course, that Kerry honestly believes that a punitive military strike against Assad is necessary, and that the benefits of such a strike would outweigh the potential costs. But I suspect something else is going on. Kerry is an intelligent man, but he has a fatal flaw. He craves the limelight. He wants to be in the center of the action and attention. Over the years I heard again and again from his Senate colleagues that Kerry grandstanded and wanted all the credit, said things that would get him on the evening news, pushed too fast and too far in order to make his mark.

What the hell is with this cheap psychoanalysis? Kerry's career has been marked by not getting credit for much of the work he has done in the Senate. He has helped to write and push legislation that he took no credit for, but he has also done a lot.

It's bullshit for Reich to use this idiotic character attack to question Kerry's motive. Reich worked for a President who launched several military actions.

Bill Clinton launched several strikes on Iraq, including a strike to take out Saddam's chemical infrastucture.



Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

- more -

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html


BILL CLINTON

—Iraq (1993): Launched cruise missiles into Baghdad, hitting Iraqi intelligence headquarters, in retaliation for assassination plot against President George H.W. Bush.

—Somalia (1993): Increased troop deployment for security and stability mission with 35 other nations under U.N. Security Council resolution.

—Haiti (1994) Deployed troops for peacekeeping and nation-building mission as authorized by U.N. Security Council resolution.

—Bosnia (1994-96): Launched airstrikes with NATO allies over 18 months, culminating with bombings, artillery attacks and cruise missile strikes against Bosnia Serbs, by request of U.N. Secretary General Boutrous Boutrous-Ghali and to enforce no-fly zones as authorized by at least three U.N. Security Council resolutions. Deployed troops in year-long NATO peacekeeping mission.

—Iraq (1996): Launched cruise missiles at targets in southern Iraq in retaliation against attacks on U.S. jets enforcing no-fly zones to protect Iraqi minorities as authorized by U.N. Security Council resolution.

—Sudan, Afghanistan (1998): Launched cruise missiles at terrorist training camps in Sudan and Afghanistan in retaliation against U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania that killed more than 220 people, including 12 Americans.

—Iraq (1998): Launched cruise missiles and airstrikes on a number of Baghdad targets to punish Saddam Hussein for not complying with U.N. chemical weapons inspections as required under U.N. Security Council resolutions.

—Kosovo: (1999): Launched airstrikes and cruise missiles over more than three months at Yugoslavian military targets, power stations, bridges and other facilities as part of NATO mission.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/crash-course-a-guide-to-30-years-of-us-military-strikes-against-other-nations.php


Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1998/roll482.xml

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-105hr4655enr/pdf/BILLS-105hr4655enr.pdf


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Kerry is fast showing us there would have been no difference... roamer65 Sep 2013 #1
I was just thinking we may have dodged a bullet with his loss..n/t monmouth3 Sep 2013 #2
Me too. Perhaps. At the moment, I'm wondering if we really did, though. nt silvershadow Sep 2013 #23
We didn't have a "Diverse" range of choices that got the PTB Backing to push KoKo Sep 2013 #26
No, we didn't Scootaloo Sep 2013 #53
No he is a team player warrant46 Sep 2013 #28
Tell that to the victims of Katrina NYC Liberal Sep 2013 #64
You're showing us that you're pretty gullible and know very little blm Sep 2013 #83
2002 Iraq war vote. roamer65 Sep 2013 #96
If this is so, Kerry will be a major disappointment. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #3
et tu SOS Kerry? indepat Sep 2013 #4
WTF? ProSense Sep 2013 #5
do you have any evidence for this claim? cali Sep 2013 #9
Go ProSense Sep 2013 #15
One example that I can easily name is that Kerry wrote the bill that provided f karynnj Sep 2013 #56
That was my reaction. Reich is on a Cha Sep 2013 #10
what facts? ProSense didn't post any cali Sep 2013 #12
The fact that Reich worked for Clinton and the strikes launched during his Presidency. ProSense Sep 2013 #14
What does that have to do with Kerry? rug Sep 2013 #16
What do the bullshit rumors Reich is pushing have to do with this decision? ProSense Sep 2013 #19
Is the answer to my question then, "nothing"? rug Sep 2013 #21
It has everything to do with rebutting Reich's character assassination. ProSense Sep 2013 #22
The only character assassination I see is yours of Reich's. rug Sep 2013 #24
Reich's claim is bizarre. ProSense Sep 2013 #25
The OP says Kerry is the driving force behind this. Do you dispute that? rug Sep 2013 #40
But Prosense - wasn't he accurate on the 2012 ticket being Obama/Clinton karynnj Sep 2013 #65
Reich's is not an informed opinion. It is a personal attack wisteria Sep 2013 #38
Then you must agree that links about Clinton's foreign military adventures are utterly irrelevant. rug Sep 2013 #58
His opinion is full of smears karynnj Sep 2013 #62
These aren't her own opinions, they are facts. wisteria Sep 2013 #37
They are facts that are irrelevant to the topic. I have two questions for you. rug Sep 2013 #44
I will give this a shot karynnj Sep 2013 #66
NO! He's doing what he always does - taking the heat. blm Sep 2013 #76
Because Kerry is the one who QUIETLY worked to bring Assad around blm Sep 2013 #74
Nothing. It's disingenuous bull. cali Sep 2013 #29
His is my take - with apologies to Prosense karynnj Sep 2013 #61
what facts did Reich post? blm Sep 2013 #92
Obama is putting his admin on the line with this. We have had war after roguevalley Sep 2013 #49
Not to mention - from other accounts Obama's senior National security staff was supposedly karynnj Sep 2013 #60
Thanks for the additional info, Karyn. Reich has really put Cha Sep 2013 #80
Reich was Secretary of Labor under Clinton; not Secretary of State. QuestForSense Sep 2013 #17
What happened to this guy?? kentuck Sep 2013 #6
...the Senate MNBrewer Sep 2013 #7
he sold out. it happens. one of the chicago seven became a yuppie roguevalley Sep 2013 #50
$$$ Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #11
He got BOTOX...and has a lovely, rich wife...and he likes his lifestyle and Power, KoKo Sep 2013 #27
No sh!t there are, KoKo. First - your RW attack reBotox - The pictures blm Sep 2013 #81
Joe Liebermann hypnotized him warrant46 Sep 2013 #30
We knew he was a sellout in 2002 when he voted for the war in Iraq... reformist2 Sep 2013 #36
Noting. He was never anti-any war. Sometimes it is important wisteria Sep 2013 #41
how does killing more civilians in Syria protect us. THis is a recruiting roguevalley Sep 2013 #52
I suspect the same thing that happened to candidate Barack Obama. n/t 99Forever Sep 2013 #100
someone has gotten to Obama to talk him into this crackpots scheme.. I don't know who. But maybe it Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #8
I nominate Samantha Power and Susan Rice. amandabeech Sep 2013 #13
It's possible it's just down to Politics. Bill want's Hillary to Run...and KoKo Sep 2013 #31
Wow, Samantha Power called Hillary Clinton a 'monster' in 2008 so framing her as Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #103
Is Robert Reich "on the current political scene" karynnj Sep 2013 #67
Very interesting, especially from someone like Reich... polichick Sep 2013 #18
Reich has his own agenda. And, he is wrong. wisteria Sep 2013 #45
What's his agenda? polichick Sep 2013 #51
He was not yelling in the hearings karynnj Sep 2013 #68
He's been speaking abnormally loud throughout this whole Syrian debacle... polichick Sep 2013 #98
Share? TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #87
This thread is about Reich's insights - my response is posted above. polichick Sep 2013 #99
I didn't ask waht the thread is about. TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #101
Where's the "strong opinion?" polichick Sep 2013 #106
Damn, I'm sorry. Thought I was replying to number 45 originally TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #111
No worries. polichick Sep 2013 #112
Duh.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #20
Someday, some people will tell the story of Kerry's breakdown David__77 Sep 2013 #32
Horsesh!t. blm Sep 2013 #85
Reich sounds like a petty little gossip monger. wtf. Whisp Sep 2013 #33
+1 n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #35
True - as when he spoke of the 2012 ticket soon to be Obama/Clinton karynnj Sep 2013 #70
Reich owes Kerry an apology. wisteria Sep 2013 #34
Reich worked for the Clintons Whisp Sep 2013 #39
I have some thoughts along this line too. wisteria Sep 2013 #47
Reports are that Hillary supports Obama on this dflprincess Sep 2013 #73
- partly true, but Bill Clinton disliked him enough to endorse someone else in the 2002 MA Governor karynnj Sep 2013 #72
he owes no one an apology. Kerry is a public servant and we can roguevalley Sep 2013 #54
Baloney! another_liberal Sep 2013 #55
Maybe Kerry thinks he is the President? kentuck Sep 2013 #69
That is ridiculous - Kerry has at all times shown Obama the respect that he deserves karynnj Sep 2013 #78
That's BS. Kerry was always stopping the drive for war in Syria for 8 years blm Sep 2013 #86
Kerry is not looking for another run for President karynnj Sep 2013 #77
Maybe not . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #91
Because he believes that chemical warfare really does cross a line karynnj Sep 2013 #94
Mere semantics . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #95
My head is spinning. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #107
They say . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #108
lol avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #109
Right, I voted for him as well. another_liberal Sep 2013 #110
It doesn't matter who it is or what their progressive or Democratic credentials are. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #42
Well said. polichick Sep 2013 #57
Well - a gossip monger might post that the President will swap his VP out for the SOS karynnj Sep 2013 #79
A lot of people were speculating about that at the time. There was a lot of speculation totodeinhere Sep 2013 #104
He was considered to have inside knowledge and karynnj Sep 2013 #105
sounds personal to me KT2000 Sep 2013 #43
From google, Reich has said similar things about others - including the karynnj Sep 2013 #90
K&R DeSwiss Sep 2013 #46
Who profits from war... 840high Sep 2013 #48
What are those numbers from ??? kentuck Sep 2013 #71
old but i think it might still apply 840high Sep 2013 #82
Those numbers have been debunked millions of times karynnj Sep 2013 #84
Could you please state what these dollar amounts are supposed to signify? TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #88
Reich was accused of embellishing events in his book on his work for Clinton karynnj Sep 2013 #59
Reich sure embellished NAFTA in his day. Skidmore Sep 2013 #97
Well, he was on target with the 2012 ticket - just ask VP Hillary Clinton karynnj Sep 2013 #63
Reich is a Clinton hack. ProSense Sep 2013 #89
Please add the link to the OP so the FB people can Like his page and get all his posts. Coyotl Sep 2013 #75
well this is just embarrassing JI7 Sep 2013 #93
That's what I got out of it DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #102
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