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In reply to the discussion: Andrew Weil, his woo, and anti-GMO hysteria... [View all]roseBudd
(8,718 posts)130. As opposed to Mother Jones & Huffington Post
Mary is a genomics scientist, with credentials in microbiology, immunology, plant cell biology, and mammalian cell, developmental, and molecular biology (PhD). All comments here are my own, and do not represent my company or any other company.
http://www.biofortified.org/2013/05/gmo-wheat-and-shouting-fire-in-a-crowded-theater/
I know my way around bioinformatics in fact I teach it to others. So lets take a brief trip through the DNA sequences in question to see what was really wrong about the Safe Food Foundation report. The concern they express, resurrected here, is that double-stranded RNA (dsRNA) produced by RNAi silencing in GE crops could silence our own genes if we eat them. The mechanism is complicated, but in short, before there can be any silencing there needs to be a sequence match between the dsRNA produced by these plants and the DNA of our own genes. Heinemann claimed that he found these sequence matches but as I will demonstrate he didnt find anything of the sort.
The claims Heinemann made were based on a sequence that was 25,187 bases long. In no way that was the appropriate sequence to use for the analysis. It was like throwing 25,000 strands of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. There were going to be false positives. And one of the pasta pieces that stuck was to the GBE human gene. This was the basis for the claims made by Judy Carman in her SFF report that provided the dire warning about how this wheat would kill your babies.
Within the large record, only a small portion represents the SBE1 gene. See the long image on the right. And even within the actual gene part of that record, only a fraction of that sequence would be in the constructs used. The key point to be made about this was that their analysis was pointless and wrong.
I learned from Oracs piece that there had been an update to the analysis, though. Heinemann had apparently realized that the sequence he used was probably incorrect. (Yes, we here at Biofortified had spotted that immediately.) Theres a re-analysis with a different sequence that you can now examine.
The new sequence? Oh, its different, yeah. Its found within this GenBank record. But its not even the whole record. Its only bases 96-635. Thats right540 bases, not 25 thousand. Mm hmm. In case you are curious, 25,187 / 540 = more than 45x too much sequence. Thats a lot of pasta.
So theres less spaghetti now. But again, Jack is able to deliver some sticking to the wall. However, all of the matches he highlights are either to introns which would not matter for the mechanism of action that is the issue here. Or they are in the genome desert areas, thousands of bases away from anything that appears to be a gene.
Result: Take a deep breath. The GMO wheat that forms the basis of this claim will not kill your children or permanently alter your genome.
The claims Heinemann made were based on a sequence that was 25,187 bases long. In no way that was the appropriate sequence to use for the analysis. It was like throwing 25,000 strands of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. There were going to be false positives. And one of the pasta pieces that stuck was to the GBE human gene. This was the basis for the claims made by Judy Carman in her SFF report that provided the dire warning about how this wheat would kill your babies.
Within the large record, only a small portion represents the SBE1 gene. See the long image on the right. And even within the actual gene part of that record, only a fraction of that sequence would be in the constructs used. The key point to be made about this was that their analysis was pointless and wrong.
I learned from Oracs piece that there had been an update to the analysis, though. Heinemann had apparently realized that the sequence he used was probably incorrect. (Yes, we here at Biofortified had spotted that immediately.) Theres a re-analysis with a different sequence that you can now examine.
The new sequence? Oh, its different, yeah. Its found within this GenBank record. But its not even the whole record. Its only bases 96-635. Thats right540 bases, not 25 thousand. Mm hmm. In case you are curious, 25,187 / 540 = more than 45x too much sequence. Thats a lot of pasta.
So theres less spaghetti now. But again, Jack is able to deliver some sticking to the wall. However, all of the matches he highlights are either to introns which would not matter for the mechanism of action that is the issue here. Or they are in the genome desert areas, thousands of bases away from anything that appears to be a gene.
Result: Take a deep breath. The GMO wheat that forms the basis of this claim will not kill your children or permanently alter your genome.
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There are plenty of scientificallly illiterate people who don't believe in reality
roseBudd
Sep 2013
#141
There is "no till" organic and the idea that GMO farming reduces carbon emissions is bogus since
KurtNYC
Sep 2013
#279
My mother is alive thanks to multiple meds for atrial fibrillation & high BP...
roseBudd
Sep 2013
#123
Um ... why did you have high blood pressure and need 5 bypasses in the first place?
MH1
Sep 2013
#136
...henceforth identified as POO (corporate "science" & allied mega-funded corporate propaganda)
Berlum
Sep 2013
#92
LOL, so because you can't see the relationship it doesn't exist. Mkay. nt
laundry_queen
Sep 2013
#133
Is there any credible evidence that GMO food poses a legitimate health risk?
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#16
Yeah...I was told the same thing about my kid's autism by the anti-vaxxers. I'll pass. nt
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#47
To be clear, you are suggesting that there is NO research proving that GMO is BAD for people...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#189
Please answer my question. You are saying that there are no ill-effects to GMO at all...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#194
Again, try Google, I neither have the time, nor the inclination to school yet another...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#299
I may not agree with many coporations business practices such as Monsanto but I do not
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2013
#19
So you think that there's a cartel of organic producers..furtively plotting the demise of the poor..
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#198
Do you think there's some magic that prevents Monsanto from buying organic companies? (nt)
jeff47
Sep 2013
#254
do you approve of monsanto going after farmers whose fields MONSANTO has contaminated, suing
niyad
Sep 2013
#42
that is the funniest thing I have read today. PLEASE tell me you forgot the sarcasm icon, because
niyad
Sep 2013
#115
GMOs harm the intestines of the animals who eat it. Ask the farmers who've taken sick animals off it
Precisely
Sep 2013
#97
We should do both. But Ted Kennedy fought for decades to have better labeling and in the end,
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#284
At the time I was diagnosed, it took the average Celiac 11 years to get diagnosed.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#306
But if we don't know an ingredient is in our food, there's NO chance of linking
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#356
As a personal friend of Dr. Weil, I call LIAR on that article. Why post this BS?
Coyotl
Sep 2013
#33
I know, Monsanto and GMO are awesome and safe. Roundup - I love spraying it right from the bottle..
tenderfoot
Sep 2013
#221
Union of concerned scientists... sounds like the concerned women of America.
tenderfoot
Sep 2013
#295
no, because you are threatening THEIR scientifically-based beliefs. no evidence to the contrary
niyad
Sep 2013
#41
to all who defend gmo food, answer this: if this genetic tinkering is NOT dangerous,
niyad
Sep 2013
#43
They don't want the labeling because they know that consumers don't want these products.
Gormy Cuss
Sep 2013
#44
there's propaganda on both sides. It's impossible to know the truth. Real scientific research
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2013
#73
amazingly enough, some of us actually KNOW what ascorbic acid is, and sodium chloride, but nice
niyad
Sep 2013
#116
since I have neither used that word, nor posted pictures, that remark cannot possibly be addressed
niyad
Sep 2013
#140
so GMO foods would fail in the marketplace- or be niche- like organics are. Sounds fair to me.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#150
oh bullshit. labeling is there for consumer to use to make decisions and there is no good reason to
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#175
in other words, you don't HAVE an answer that doesn't involve huge wads of money, yes?
niyad
Sep 2013
#319
The studies don't support his views. Your anecdotal evidence is the worst kind
roseBudd
Sep 2013
#149
So you hate GMO’s because they are untested. What about feelbetteramine from the health store?
roseBudd
Sep 2013
#131
DU has become the go-to place for assinine Rightwing propaganda. "anti-GMO hysteria" my ass. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#147
Certainly a phrase the Monsanto PR department would approve of -- or perhaps authored
villager
Sep 2013
#176
I'm not denying science. And neither is Don Huber, retired Agri prof. at Purdue University
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#170
So GMO's are actually great, and all of the countries that have banned them have been snookered...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#223
Right. Personal comments are so much more useful than actual logic or data. n/t
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#266
Your only contribution to a reasoned discussion was a link to an industry site.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#277
IF GMO'S WERE GOOD FOR YOU - THEY WOULD WANT THEM TO BE LABELED! Not going in my body.
grahamhgreen
Sep 2013
#195
You clearly did not read the links I posted to sites that actually dig into the science.
HuckleB
Sep 2013
#247
So you think you can push crap upon others and then make excuses when they point that it's crap.
HuckleB
Sep 2013
#268
You haven't read it, but offer your opinion...tell me again how I'M the one that's full of crap...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#289
As previously stated the site can be whatever it wants, the report, with it's SCIENCE...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#294
Can't answer my question? If it was good for you - they would want it to be labeled, heck, they'd
grahamhgreen
Sep 2013
#241
HAHAHA. You're not to be taken seriously then. That was a reply, not an answer.
grahamhgreen
Sep 2013
#250
You failed to write science in all caps and therefore didn't convince me!!!11!!
Democracyinkind
Sep 2013
#318
So all these people pushing fear without evidence to justify fear aren't pushing fear?
HuckleB
Sep 2013
#345
Where is the independent study showing that GMO food causes long term harm?
Glassunion
Sep 2013
#324
The problem with that equation is that hybridization only happens via genetic modification.
HuckleB
Sep 2013
#331
Thus, you admit that don't understand how biology, chemistry and genetics work.
HuckleB
Sep 2013
#334
You're offering up a very simplistic definition that ignores how those things happen.
HuckleB
Sep 2013
#344
If you can't explain it simply, you probably don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein
Glassunion
Sep 2013
#348
That the shills for the chem-companies don't want labels tells you everything you need to know.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#346