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In reply to the discussion: New York Times Deletes This Paragraph In Which White House Says AIPAC Is Key To War [View all]snot
(11,424 posts)141. Just my email to my friend, which I could have faked, though I didn't.
At that point, I wasn't aware that the NYT vacuumed their own articles.
Here's what I've got:
{My name}-
The NYTimes must have deleted the line referred to in the text below that you sent yesterday. You can still access the article, but the line is gone. Did you actually go to the story and see the line?
The rug is being vacuumed at the Times Im afraid.
{my friend}
-----Original Message-----
From: {me}
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:22 PM
To: {my friend}
Subject: Re: {original, non-related subject}
So glad to get your message. As always, so sensible. I cant blame the Dems for conceding, but I cant help wanting to know more about the mechanics of the election.
Per the New York Times, surveys of voters leaving the polls .. . . showed Mr. Kerry leading Mr. Bush by as much as 3 percentage points nationally. Nonetheless, [w]ith 98 percent of the national vote reported as of 8 a.m. Eastern time [Nov. 3], Mr. Bush was leading Mr. Kerry by a margin of 51 percent to 48 percent . . .(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/politics/campaign/04electcnd.html?hp&ex=1099544400&en=ba992171a995deaf&ei=5094&partner=homepage)).
--so those exit polls were off by as much as 6 percent. Is that an unusually large discrepancy?
Meanwhile, in this same election, the VNS Exit Poll System broke downthe main system that could have provided data to either discount or point toward any tampering. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/05/politics/main528252.shtml) The system that was extensively overhauled after the 2000 election in order to make it more accurate.
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,714491,00.html
"Adding to the chaos, one network news reporter has received a tip that mercenary hackers were hired to alter the code of a particular brand of machine so that every 10th vote for Candidate A was recorded as a vote for Candidate B. Meanwhile, in Colorado, another group of hackers is boasting that they stole a box of electronic smartcards used to activate e-voting machines and reprogrammed them to allow multiple votes .. . . ..
"On Election Day, a group called TechWatch, made up of computer scientists and other volunteers, will monitor e-voting machines across the country. When trouble strikes-machines crash or suspiciously large numbers of votes for one candidate show up in a low-traffic polling place-the problem will be posted to the group's Web site, and a TechWatcher will be dispatched to document the problem and attempt to fix it. After the polls close, the group will have a detailed picture of which machines failed and where security may have been breached. If there's a recount, TechWatch can use this evidence to determine whether concerns about voting machine accuracy in particular areas are well founded."
So, what did TechWatch find?
Does anyone know what proportion of the voting machines in the swing states, especially Ohio, were electronic machines without any paper trail? Will there be any comparisons of results as between those with and those without paper trail?
The NYTimes must have deleted the line referred to in the text below that you sent yesterday. You can still access the article, but the line is gone. Did you actually go to the story and see the line?
The rug is being vacuumed at the Times Im afraid.
{my friend}
-----Original Message-----
From: {me}
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:22 PM
To: {my friend}
Subject: Re: {original, non-related subject}
So glad to get your message. As always, so sensible. I cant blame the Dems for conceding, but I cant help wanting to know more about the mechanics of the election.
Per the New York Times, surveys of voters leaving the polls .. . . showed Mr. Kerry leading Mr. Bush by as much as 3 percentage points nationally. Nonetheless, [w]ith 98 percent of the national vote reported as of 8 a.m. Eastern time [Nov. 3], Mr. Bush was leading Mr. Kerry by a margin of 51 percent to 48 percent . . .(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/politics/campaign/04electcnd.html?hp&ex=1099544400&en=ba992171a995deaf&ei=5094&partner=homepage)).
--so those exit polls were off by as much as 6 percent. Is that an unusually large discrepancy?
Meanwhile, in this same election, the VNS Exit Poll System broke downthe main system that could have provided data to either discount or point toward any tampering. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/05/politics/main528252.shtml) The system that was extensively overhauled after the 2000 election in order to make it more accurate.
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,714491,00.html
"Adding to the chaos, one network news reporter has received a tip that mercenary hackers were hired to alter the code of a particular brand of machine so that every 10th vote for Candidate A was recorded as a vote for Candidate B. Meanwhile, in Colorado, another group of hackers is boasting that they stole a box of electronic smartcards used to activate e-voting machines and reprogrammed them to allow multiple votes .. . . ..
"On Election Day, a group called TechWatch, made up of computer scientists and other volunteers, will monitor e-voting machines across the country. When trouble strikes-machines crash or suspiciously large numbers of votes for one candidate show up in a low-traffic polling place-the problem will be posted to the group's Web site, and a TechWatcher will be dispatched to document the problem and attempt to fix it. After the polls close, the group will have a detailed picture of which machines failed and where security may have been breached. If there's a recount, TechWatch can use this evidence to determine whether concerns about voting machine accuracy in particular areas are well founded."
So, what did TechWatch find?
Does anyone know what proportion of the voting machines in the swing states, especially Ohio, were electronic machines without any paper trail? Will there be any comparisons of results as between those with and those without paper trail?
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New York Times Deletes This Paragraph In Which White House Says AIPAC Is Key To War [View all]
n2doc
Sep 2013
OP
More and more it appears this push for war has nothing to do with chemical weapons...
last1standing
Sep 2013
#1
What "war"? The Syrian Civil War is pretty complex as is the involvement of Russia, Iran, the USA
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#15
It's very likely that the rebels used chemical weapons on civilians as well.
last1standing
Sep 2013
#21
Have you seen something that proves Assad is responsible for this? Global press reports
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#125
"because Hitler" isn't even an appeal to emotion: they've fallen one step beyond that
MisterP
Sep 2013
#36
The Chair of the Sen. Foreign Relations Comm will chair Syria war hearings, is a top-tier AIPAC
leveymg
Sep 2013
#2
Lobbyists for foreign countries should be banned from contributing to US politicians,
Ocelot
Sep 2013
#50
They were fired only after they were indicted, and AIPAC members then picked up their bills.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#93
Nobody says every AIPAC member is a spy, just that it needs to be registered as a foreign agent.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#100
So was the German-American Bund. But, they're still an unregistered foreign lobbying and agent for
leveymg
Sep 2013
#62
Ah...the wonders of search engines on the "Internets"...times have changed for sure.
Ninga
Sep 2013
#4
Also from NYT: redline was inserted into Obama's Aug. '12 speech under threat by Israel
leveymg
Sep 2013
#11
What is "a relevant amount of searches?" RU saying Russia forced the redlines and Israel didn't?
leveymg
Sep 2013
#13
Although an avid reader of the paper, I refer to it as the "Shady Lady" since the Iraq invasion. nt
adirondacker
Sep 2013
#16
No, I conclude from your libel that you're an internet hitman who has it in for her.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#89
Please feel free to believe the Sibel Edmonds myth if that is your pleasure.
Vinnie From Indy
Sep 2013
#102
luckily the Syrian rebels we support will do that for us, they like to eat livers too
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#69
They lobby for foreign interests, I'd say that makes them a foreign lobby. /nt
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#73
Not at all, I just feel that lobbying for foreign interests does not belong in our government.
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#76
You can advocate for whatever foreign country who's interests you favor over ours - I don't care
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#85
Of course, AIPAC is all about spying ON America FOR America, they barely acknowledge Israel exists
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#137
Hey Dithers. You've made an accusation of anti-semitism. Get busy explaining yourself.
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2013
#115
Both sides in this civil war are our enemies. At least one side has used nerve gas
The Second Stone
Sep 2013
#32
and that's how a hegemony works: when its terminology is adopted even by its opponents
MisterP
Sep 2013
#48
"and, even if they were, that does not mean there can be no appropriate response."
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#53
Weak comparison. "Bush" and "NeoCon" are trump card attempts that should be avoided.
Dash87
Sep 2013
#54
Jewish leaders wary as White House seeks support for Syria vote in Congress
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#65
Dear God in Heaven: is this all about doing AIPAC's bidding? Is this what this war is all about?
indepat
Sep 2013
#110
When Susan Rice said "we have no anticipation" that Congress will vote against action against Syria
psychopomp
Sep 2013
#111