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longship

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70. The problem with this story is multiple things.

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 02:33 AM

Sep 2013

I have never heard of crucifixion being used anywhere, not even Saudi Arabia.

I have heard of stonings, beheadings, and other horrible things. (The stonings seem to be aimed at women for some reason -- maybe they got caught driving or going to school or something, but I demure.)

But any claim to crucifixion in the 21st century has to stand a higher level of skepticism. The Sauds have given up beheadings, apparently because they have no more experts in the field of chopping off people's heads with a sword. And the last stoning I heard about was in Afghanistan -- a woman, for adultery... in public.

Crucifixion is a bad way to die. It can take days, and days. Forget the Biblical stories about a bad afternoon. I cannot believe this is true. And if it is true, I want to see it echoed beyond an AP wire.

I am skeptical.

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7 Saudis Set to Be Executed by Crucifixion and Firing Squad for Juvenile Jewelry Heist [View all] Catherina Sep 2013 OP

But they are our allies nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #1

Do you believe anything Glenn Beck's rag has to say. He's not anyone to trust to tell the truth. lumpy Sep 2013 #37

gee. the AP carried that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #100

Here you go, argue with Amnesty International as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #103

Our allies pscot Sep 2013 #2

Again do you trust anything, the bliovator Glenn Beck would say in his filthy rag, The Blaze ? lumpy Sep 2013 #38

Do you have any information to show that the poster was familiar with "The Blaze" AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #85

Exactly. polly7 Sep 2013 #93

The Blaze!!!!!! ???????? longship Sep 2013 #3

The Guardian has the same article. Brewinblue Sep 2013 #16

Note: if you have information from a shitty source, it really doesn't take THAT much longer eridani Sep 2013 #24

DU property values ? LOL lumpy Sep 2013 #41

We do have a reputation for being way ahead of the MSM on news items eridani Sep 2013 #44

The link in Catherina's OP suggests that the story is dual-sourced to both The Blaze and HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #17

No, I just question the source, as one should with The Blaze. longship Sep 2013 #33

The Blaze ran the AP wire story nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #141

I was corrected earlier in this thread. longship Sep 2013 #143

I posted that far more as education nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #145

they use crucifixion on their own people cvoogt Sep 2013 #4

the Saudis really suck, but the Blaze is not credible JI7 Sep 2013 #5

The story is 100% credible and verified. Catherina Sep 2013 #18

i know they execute, but the amnesty one says it's for rape, your OP is another story saying it's JI7 Sep 2013 #20

Because the Amnesty excerpt is about a past crucifixion. It's not the first one Catherina Sep 2013 #39

THE BLAZE???? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #6

and the thing is there are credible sources about how bad SAudi Arabia is JI7 Sep 2013 #12

Oh, yeah, the Saudis have a brutal judicial system Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #21

What does the OP have to do with Obama? n/t hughee99 Sep 2013 #22

The OP is finding every possible story to resist Obama's Syrian proposal Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #26

I've never seen anyone say the Saudi's supplied the rebels with Sarin, though it's completely polly7 Sep 2013 #31

Oh, was it Israel supplying the sarin in the stories you saw? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #43

Uhhhh, no. polly7 Sep 2013 #45

But that's about Assad having chemical weapons. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #46

I'm assuming that IF the rebels used gas, they could have gotten it from pretty much polly7 Sep 2013 #47

100% correct. *it is not known*, and "secret classified evidence" is for kindergarten. delrem Sep 2013 #49

Yep. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #53

And the Saudis are one group supplying them, and thus the need to paint them in the worst light. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #50

It shouldn't be good enough for anyone who actually DOES care polly7 Sep 2013 #52

In '03 you'd be explaining those a,b,c's to a bush-bot, but it's '13 and it's an obama-bot. delrem Sep 2013 #57

"it's an obama-bot" - I'm not an "it." Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #60

well, y'know, a bot's a bot. delrem Sep 2013 #63

So that makes you an Assad-bot then? n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #69

No, it makes me a disbeliever in war propaganda for yet another target on the PNAC list. delrem Sep 2013 #71

But you're fine with anti-Saudi war propaganda? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #75

You lie. Nobody is promoting war on Saudi Arabia. delrem Sep 2013 #76

I never lie. The Saudis are supporting the Syrian rebels. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #78

The US is supporting the Syrian rebels, and using Saudi Arabia/Qatar/Turkey as fronts. delrem Sep 2013 #81

Assad's character can be clearly seen in his use of sarin gas against the rebels. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #83

Sorry that shining a light on Saudi misbehavior offends your sensibilities. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #119

Watching DU turn into Propaganda Central offends my sensibilities. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #121

Right. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #58

??? Ok .. but thank you very much! You, too:) nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #61

You are aware that there are multiple anti-regime factions? TheMadMonk Sep 2013 #80

Yes, I posted a link to an article explaining the major groups yesterday. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #82

Here's one link that says they did, but it attributes the tragedy to an accident. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #129

Thanks for this, Uncle Joe. polly7 Sep 2013 #140

People who stand foursquare alongside the House of al Saud are fucked up. delrem Sep 2013 #48

So I'm standing foursquare alongside the House of al Saud because Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #62

Sigh. I think you're underinformed w.r.t. to the douchebag House of al Saud. delrem Sep 2013 #66

Assad's sarin victims can't smell the sewer of the House of Al Saud anymore. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #68

That's pure CT, since there's no proof of your assertion. delrem Sep 2013 #77

CT is the notion the rebels gassed themselves on August 21. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #79

And the tens of thousands of Syrians who died because the Saudis paid for this revolution? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #122

So Assad using chemical weapons is justified or can't be answered? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #124

Here, via amnesty international nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #102

Amnesty International is reporting on my standing foursquare with the Saudis? How do I rate? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #112

The blaze got one right like a damn broken clock nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #113

I don't give a good goddamn if the Blaze got anything right. Promoting that piece of shit Glenn Beck Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #115

Well, be consistent and do not, under any circumstance, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #117

Your concern moves me. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #118

What? I am not willing to disregard a story nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #120

Catherina had a choice. She chose The Blaze. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #123

It's far from sudden nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #125

Well, that's good to know, though I don't see how you have been informing us of Saudi crucifixions Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #126

Good to know, how about you? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #128

My horror is not at an AP story. My ire is at a link to the goddamned fucking Blaze. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #130

And I already told you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #132

So if the link to the AP story had been to Stormfront, that would be fine with you? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #133

Stormfront and AP are like water and oil nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #134

Word salad, all to say that a link to an AP story via Stormfront would be fine with you. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #135

Word salad nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #136

FYI before I go nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #137

As I just went and saw, they do link to AP stories at Stormfront. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #139

I'll mark you down for a yes, then. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #138

Who's standing foursquare alongside the Saudis? Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #84

Oh...Kay delrem Sep 2013 #86

And you'd agree that Syria has nothing to do with Saudis crucifying people? Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #87

Yes, I totally agree. delrem Sep 2013 #91

LMAO! So your gross generalization about standing foursquare Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #89

Looks like this story was posted as ammunition against the push to do something about the lumpy Sep 2013 #54

Are you, or your kin, signing up? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #114

You snark but the "70% are pro-Assad" poll came from RW sites. joshcryer Sep 2013 #73

As so many are recently fond of saying: Dead is dead, does not matter how you die The Straight Story Sep 2013 #7

And the Saudis would fund our 'excursion" into Syria for snappyturtle Sep 2013 #8

At least those executed were criminals (as far as we know). lumpy Sep 2013 #51

The Saudis don't do crucifixion the way most of us think of it jmowreader Sep 2013 #67

Brutal monsters. polly7 Sep 2013 #9

Sickening! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #10

Oh for god's sake. lumpy Sep 2013 #55

Exactly. Wars in the ME are never about oil, pipelines, and imperialist power. delrem Sep 2013 #72

Once again go argue with amnesty nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #104

at least the Saudis are our allies in trying to free Syria from tyranny Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #11

Well, if the Saudi dinasty is so interested in freeing people from tyranny... ocpagu Sep 2013 #144

Got a link that doesn't go to Glenn Beck's website? Tx4obama Sep 2013 #13

It's an AP story, here it is in the Guardian UK Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #95

the Blaze is owned by Glenn Beck JI7 Sep 2013 #14

Monsters! These are our "allies". hrmjustin Sep 2013 #15

They've all been shot. jsr Sep 2013 #19

Is it possible the Guardian, The Associated press pumped up the reporting to make it look lumpy Sep 2013 #59

Well, if you heard that Saudi Arabia is taking steps to be humane, it must be true! delrem Sep 2013 #74

That Al Jazeera report also says one was originally sentenced to 'crucifixion' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #88

How about Amnesty International nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #111

Them's our buddies! Iggo Sep 2013 #23

The Blaze is a POS rag, but the AP does confirm the original story... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #25

Reading the headline, I thought they were going to both crucify AND shoot the same people. n/t hughee99 Sep 2013 #27

That is correct - see #88 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #90

It's ok, they used guns. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #28

Our noble allies who want to pay us to send "Christians to Beirut; Alawites to the grave" n/t eridani Sep 2013 #29

I think I might prefer a firing squad Warpy Sep 2013 #30

This is part of Obama's "coailition of the willing" on Syria. David__77 Sep 2013 #32

Holy fuck I didn't even know gopiscrap Sep 2013 #34

That's bullshit. No crucifixions. longship Sep 2013 #35

You seem to be wrong on that. polly7 Sep 2013 #36

Sorry. I want better sources on this. longship Sep 2013 #40

For pete's sake .... all you have to do is a quick search on it. polly7 Sep 2013 #42

It is hard to trust news organizations these days since so many are politicaly biased. lumpy Sep 2013 #64

The problem with this story is multiple things. longship Sep 2013 #70

You are simply uninformed. From May of this year, Amnesty International Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #96

I will once again send you to Amnesty's site nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #107

Gawd. Those Saudis really are crazy. longship Sep 2013 #109

They have been for a few decades nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #142

Iran is big on hanging--they use construction cranes instead of scaffolds. MADem Sep 2013 #131

Once again, amnesty international nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #106

The sentences included crucifixions! Brewinblue Sep 2013 #99

Here, via amnesty international nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #105

See Comment #19. They were NOT beheaded and NOT crucified - they were shot. Tx4obama Sep 2013 #56

I guess that is an easier death. When I think, not so long ago, that the US death sentences lumpy Sep 2013 #65

Here's a case from May of this year. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #97

Death is death. The method doesn't matter Renew Deal Sep 2013 #92

The crucifixtion is 'for the family' as they usually behead, sew the head back on Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #98

I'm sooo glad I wasn't born in Saudi Arabia. What a total RW authoritarian conservative hellhole Zorra Sep 2013 #94

Obama and the US have limitless tolerance for Sauid atrocity, abuse of gay people, women, and Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #101

U.S. Allies malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #116

I hope they have enough money left after the crucifixions to pay for the attack on Syria. rug Sep 2013 #108

We invaded the wrong country tabasco Sep 2013 #110

I thought they had ALREADY been beheaded, way back on March 13th 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #127