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In reply to the discussion: Is college really worth it? [View all]WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)49. May 2011: "Employment rates for new college graduates have fallen sharply...
This is just one of tens of dozens of articles that I've read on this matter since 2007. I posted it, not because it's special, but because it was at the top of the page when I searched "employment rates for college grads."
...in the last two years, as have starting salaries for those who can find work. Whats more, only half of the jobs landed by these new graduates even require a college degree, reviving debates about whether higher education is worth it after all.
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The median starting salary for students graduating from four-year colleges in 2009 and 2010 was $27,000, down from $30,000 for those who entered the work force in 2006 to 2008...That is a decline of 10 percent, even before taking inflation into account.
Of course, these are the lucky ones the graduates who found a job. Among the members of the class of 2010, just 56 percent had held at least one job by this spring, when the survey was conducted. That compares with 90 percent of graduates from the classes of 2006 and 2007.
Even these figures understate the damage done to these workers careers. Many have taken jobs that do not make use of their skills; about only half of recent college graduates said that their first job required a college degree.
The choice of major is quite important...Among all recent education graduates, 71.1 percent were in jobs that required a college degree; of all area studies majors, the share was 44.7 percent.
An analysis by The New York Times of Labor Department data about college graduates aged 25 to 34 found that the number of these workers employed in food service, restaurants and bars had risen 17 percent in 2009 from 2008, though the sample size was small. There were similar or bigger employment increases at gas stations and fuel dealers, food and alcohol stores, and taxi and limousine services.
This may be a waste of a college degree, but it also displaces the less-educated workers who would normally take these jobs.
Meanwhile, college graduates are having trouble paying off student loan debt...
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(2011) College seniors who took out loans to fund their college education owed an average of $25,250, 5% more than the class of 2009...Students attending schools in the Northeast and the Midwest left school with the biggest debt burdens, while students in the West carried the least amount of debt... Debt loads varied dramatically depending on the state -- anywhere from an average of $15,500 in Utah to $31,050 in New Hampshire.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/03/pf/student_loan_debt/index.htm
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The median starting salary for students graduating from four-year colleges in 2009 and 2010 was $27,000, down from $30,000 for those who entered the work force in 2006 to 2008...That is a decline of 10 percent, even before taking inflation into account.
Of course, these are the lucky ones the graduates who found a job. Among the members of the class of 2010, just 56 percent had held at least one job by this spring, when the survey was conducted. That compares with 90 percent of graduates from the classes of 2006 and 2007.
Even these figures understate the damage done to these workers careers. Many have taken jobs that do not make use of their skills; about only half of recent college graduates said that their first job required a college degree.
The choice of major is quite important...Among all recent education graduates, 71.1 percent were in jobs that required a college degree; of all area studies majors, the share was 44.7 percent.
An analysis by The New York Times of Labor Department data about college graduates aged 25 to 34 found that the number of these workers employed in food service, restaurants and bars had risen 17 percent in 2009 from 2008, though the sample size was small. There were similar or bigger employment increases at gas stations and fuel dealers, food and alcohol stores, and taxi and limousine services.
This may be a waste of a college degree, but it also displaces the less-educated workers who would normally take these jobs.
Meanwhile, college graduates are having trouble paying off student loan debt...
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(2011) College seniors who took out loans to fund their college education owed an average of $25,250, 5% more than the class of 2009...Students attending schools in the Northeast and the Midwest left school with the biggest debt burdens, while students in the West carried the least amount of debt... Debt loads varied dramatically depending on the state -- anywhere from an average of $15,500 in Utah to $31,050 in New Hampshire.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/03/pf/student_loan_debt/index.htm
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/business/economy/19grads.html
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Ask your son. If he does not know what he wants to do maybe he wants to join the Peace Corps
Vincardog
Feb 2012
#1
OVERALL, degrees greatly increase lifetime earnings. REPORT: "Lifetime Earnings Soar with Education"
Hissyspit
Feb 2012
#2
May 2011: "Employment rates for new college graduates have fallen sharply...
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Feb 2012
#49
I'm wondering how he is going to pay for the house if he doesn't have a degree.
Hissyspit
Feb 2012
#10
Yeah, I was editing it when you were posting. Just wanted to make sure you saw it.
Hissyspit
Feb 2012
#19
YES, Absolutely yes. It improves the quality of your entire life. Just having all that knowledge
Laura PourMeADrink
Feb 2012
#13
the hubs and I got married and had a child first THEN went to college. We WISH we had college first
demtenjeep
Feb 2012
#14
we went from living on 12-15 thousand a year to 150 thous a year WITH retirement
demtenjeep
Feb 2012
#18
If he goes to college, which is good, he should try to determine a specific idea of what
RKP5637
Feb 2012
#22
Food for Thought: Robert Reich - No Longer Home Sweet Home: The Ongoing Housing Crisis and
Hissyspit
Feb 2012
#37
If he knows he wants to go to college but doesn't know for what, stay local and stay public
Massacure
Feb 2012
#41
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, and the only thing that can't be taken from you
bhikkhu
Feb 2012
#43
It is terrible that you even have to ask that question. In most advanced countries college
Fool Count
Feb 2012
#65
Anecdotes like yours are why I can't work up any outrage over diploma mills.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2012
#79
Why go into possible 100s of thousands of dollars of debt for "no real idea"?
just1voice
Feb 2012
#78
For me, if I didn't go to college and live on my own I would have been a mess.
Jennicut
Feb 2012
#80
we shipped most of the low education skilled work overseas. It isnt coming back. Ever.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2012
#81