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DirkGently

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1. If not a lie, it's a horrendous conceit.

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 10:44 AM

Sep 2013

The premise that America's military might is such that it can be magically wielded, not as an implement of destruction and death, but as a scalpel or a feather duster or a punishment paddle, has been carefully constructed for decades.

We would accept no such framing of the use of force on the U.S. or its allies, not for a heartbeat.

War is war. There is no half war or punishment war or regime change war.

War is war.

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Of all JK's lies, this one is the most disturbing: "The President Is Not Asking You To Go To War" [View all] cali Sep 2013 OP

If not a lie, it's a horrendous conceit. DirkGently Sep 2013 #1

It is a lie. It may be a horrendous deceit but it's also a flat out lie cali Sep 2013 #3

Not deceit. Conceit. Likely both. DirkGently Sep 2013 #15

oops. slip of some kind. wouldn't call it freudian, but definitely a slip cali Sep 2013 #16

"war is war" hfojvt Sep 2013 #42

The logical fallacy is yours. It is not DirkGently Sep 2013 #50

the phrase "war is war" does argue that all wars are equal hfojvt Sep 2013 #62

Nonsense semantic dodging. Vietnam was never declared. DirkGently Sep 2013 #73

Almost without exception, tavalon Sep 2013 #75

I just want to point out that war is a legal construct. reusrename Sep 2013 #81

He also sat there and told Chris Hayes that both he and Hagel opposed the Iraq War Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #2

He's a liar. fuck his lies. cali Sep 2013 #4

Kerry was for it before he was against it, blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #41

two different things - in his mind hfojvt Sep 2013 #58

omg.. Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #60

no it was NOT hfojvt Sep 2013 #66

What I find interesting Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #68

what I find interesting hfojvt Sep 2013 #72

Yes and it was bullshit then too. Maven Sep 2013 #63

I almost fell off my chair when I hear him tell Chris Hayes that........ Little Star Sep 2013 #80

He's a flat out liar. jsr Sep 2013 #5

and a multiple repeat offender. cali Sep 2013 #6

Kerry is dancing so much like a puppet, I can almost see the strings! reformist2 Sep 2013 #7

I don't think anyone is manipulating him cali Sep 2013 #9

I guess Iraq, according to Kerry, wasn't a "classic" war either MNBrewer Sep 2013 #8

No Iraq is a war where TROOPS invaded karynnj Sep 2013 #22

It's a lie for Kerry and anyone else to say that war does not start until boots are on the ground: AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #28

Great point. Pearl Harbor was just a "surgical strike" from the air... grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #37

Well, there's THIS MNBrewer Sep 2013 #29

That;s what he meant about not committing troops on the ground karynnj Sep 2013 #32

Whether we put troops on the ground is irrelevant MNBrewer Sep 2013 #34

The question is whether there was a lie karynnj Sep 2013 #35

I guess that depends on what the definition of "is" is and when a "lie" isn't really a lie. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #36

At minimum it has to be giving false information that they know is wrong karynnj Sep 2013 #45

Well his definition is wrong and you may accept what he meant, I do not mazzarro Sep 2013 #47

Even under your definition, Kerry's response is wrong - but not a lie karynnj Sep 2013 #54

Everyone Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #65

Making up brand-new definitions enlightenment Sep 2013 #46

So the London Blitz was an act of WHAT? sibelian Sep 2013 #51

waiting for the first bullshit cali Sep 2013 #10

HAHAHA! The very next post!!! ROFL... See below grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #40

It was uncanny. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #76

"Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a fiery rebuke to...Sen. Rand Paul�s line of questioning" ProSense Sep 2013 #11

bwahahahahaha. I thought it would be you cali Sep 2013 #12

Bullshit, but then again you think all your opinions are "irrefutable" facts. ProSense Sep 2013 #18

yes, yes, pro. pretend that numerous people cali Sep 2013 #20

No, He didn't -- you can disagree with his definition of what is meant by war karynnj Sep 2013 #24

Educate yourself. See post #28. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #31

HAHAHAHA! By your def, Pearl Harbor was a "limited strike":) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #43

A "limited strike" is just doing with advanced long-range technology NuclearDem Sep 2013 #69

Can we do some "limited strikes" in your neighborhood? It won't be war, I promise. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #70

Too funny. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #30

Pearl Harbor was "limited action that will degrade the capacity" of the USA, grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #49

Just like Pearl Harbor! RetroLounge Sep 2013 #56

Acts vs. states of war. gulliver Sep 2013 #13

balls you can cali Sep 2013 #14

Nope, a state of war is quite different. gulliver Sep 2013 #19

even if I cede that point, you can bet your ass that the lying JK cali Sep 2013 #21

Gracious concession there karynnj Sep 2013 #27

For todays doublespeak ctsnowman Sep 2013 #25

Did you ever hear the word war used with: karynnj Sep 2013 #26

Well if the countries that were attacked had taken the action first mazzarro Sep 2013 #52

Was Pearl Harbor an act of war? Yes or no, please. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #53

An act of war that then led to war between the US and Japan karynnj Sep 2013 #55

Except.. sendero Sep 2013 #17

We've been in a state of war since 9/11 MNBrewer Sep 2013 #33

Committing an act of war puts you in a state of war, duh grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #44

It isn't a Lie if fredamae Sep 2013 #23

JK, War Hawk blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #38

What if the Syrians fire back? Countdown_3_2_1 Sep 2013 #39

"The President is not asking YOU to go to war..." truebluegreen Sep 2013 #48

I am also very dilsappointed, and more than a little worried, however . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #57

Ah John if another country bombed the USA that wouldn't be war? n/t doc03 Sep 2013 #59

That was a doozy, alright. polichick Sep 2013 #61

If someone referenced "Clinton's taking us to war Iraq".... Schema Thing Sep 2013 #64

I wonder if Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #67

Well that was nauseating. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #74

There is no war, and there is no spying, woo me with science Sep 2013 #71

" We need to keep millionaires happy " would ring better . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #77

It is wordplay, we are being played felix_numinous Sep 2013 #78

John Kerry's world: Heywood J Sep 2013 #79