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DirkGently

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50. The logical fallacy is yours. It is not

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 12:20 PM

Sep 2013

argued anywhere that all wars are equal. What is argued, which is indisputable, is that one country launching bombs and missiles at another IS war, in every case, and that there are substantial reasons to oppose that in every case.

It is indisputable the proposal before us is to attack another country militarily.

It is indisputable the proposal is to kill those who have not attacked us.

It is indisputable the U.S. would consider any such upon itself or its allies an act of war.

It is indisputable that past claims of limited war have segued into much larger war.

Your premise that not all wars are worldwide conflagrations is the tautology. So, what -- it's not a military conflict? It's not violence, expense, death? We would treat it as something short of "war" if inflicted on us?

No one thinks that.

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Of all JK's lies, this one is the most disturbing: "The President Is Not Asking You To Go To War" [View all] cali Sep 2013 OP

If not a lie, it's a horrendous conceit. DirkGently Sep 2013 #1

It is a lie. It may be a horrendous deceit but it's also a flat out lie cali Sep 2013 #3

Not deceit. Conceit. Likely both. DirkGently Sep 2013 #15

oops. slip of some kind. wouldn't call it freudian, but definitely a slip cali Sep 2013 #16

"war is war" hfojvt Sep 2013 #42

The logical fallacy is yours. It is not DirkGently Sep 2013 #50

the phrase "war is war" does argue that all wars are equal hfojvt Sep 2013 #62

Nonsense semantic dodging. Vietnam was never declared. DirkGently Sep 2013 #73

Almost without exception, tavalon Sep 2013 #75

I just want to point out that war is a legal construct. reusrename Sep 2013 #81

He also sat there and told Chris Hayes that both he and Hagel opposed the Iraq War Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #2

He's a liar. fuck his lies. cali Sep 2013 #4

Kerry was for it before he was against it, blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #41

two different things - in his mind hfojvt Sep 2013 #58

omg.. Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #60

no it was NOT hfojvt Sep 2013 #66

What I find interesting Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #68

what I find interesting hfojvt Sep 2013 #72

Yes and it was bullshit then too. Maven Sep 2013 #63

I almost fell off my chair when I hear him tell Chris Hayes that........ Little Star Sep 2013 #80

He's a flat out liar. jsr Sep 2013 #5

and a multiple repeat offender. cali Sep 2013 #6

Kerry is dancing so much like a puppet, I can almost see the strings! reformist2 Sep 2013 #7

I don't think anyone is manipulating him cali Sep 2013 #9

I guess Iraq, according to Kerry, wasn't a "classic" war either MNBrewer Sep 2013 #8

No Iraq is a war where TROOPS invaded karynnj Sep 2013 #22

It's a lie for Kerry and anyone else to say that war does not start until boots are on the ground: AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #28

Great point. Pearl Harbor was just a "surgical strike" from the air... grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #37

Well, there's THIS MNBrewer Sep 2013 #29

That;s what he meant about not committing troops on the ground karynnj Sep 2013 #32

Whether we put troops on the ground is irrelevant MNBrewer Sep 2013 #34

The question is whether there was a lie karynnj Sep 2013 #35

I guess that depends on what the definition of "is" is and when a "lie" isn't really a lie. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #36

At minimum it has to be giving false information that they know is wrong karynnj Sep 2013 #45

Well his definition is wrong and you may accept what he meant, I do not mazzarro Sep 2013 #47

Even under your definition, Kerry's response is wrong - but not a lie karynnj Sep 2013 #54

Everyone Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #65

Making up brand-new definitions enlightenment Sep 2013 #46

So the London Blitz was an act of WHAT? sibelian Sep 2013 #51

waiting for the first bullshit cali Sep 2013 #10

HAHAHA! The very next post!!! ROFL... See below grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #40

It was uncanny. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #76

"Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a fiery rebuke to...Sen. Rand Paul�s line of questioning" ProSense Sep 2013 #11

bwahahahahaha. I thought it would be you cali Sep 2013 #12

Bullshit, but then again you think all your opinions are "irrefutable" facts. ProSense Sep 2013 #18

yes, yes, pro. pretend that numerous people cali Sep 2013 #20

No, He didn't -- you can disagree with his definition of what is meant by war karynnj Sep 2013 #24

Educate yourself. See post #28. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #31

HAHAHAHA! By your def, Pearl Harbor was a "limited strike":) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #43

A "limited strike" is just doing with advanced long-range technology NuclearDem Sep 2013 #69

Can we do some "limited strikes" in your neighborhood? It won't be war, I promise. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #70

Too funny. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #30

Pearl Harbor was "limited action that will degrade the capacity" of the USA, grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #49

Just like Pearl Harbor! RetroLounge Sep 2013 #56

Acts vs. states of war. gulliver Sep 2013 #13

balls you can cali Sep 2013 #14

Nope, a state of war is quite different. gulliver Sep 2013 #19

even if I cede that point, you can bet your ass that the lying JK cali Sep 2013 #21

Gracious concession there karynnj Sep 2013 #27

For todays doublespeak ctsnowman Sep 2013 #25

Did you ever hear the word war used with: karynnj Sep 2013 #26

Well if the countries that were attacked had taken the action first mazzarro Sep 2013 #52

Was Pearl Harbor an act of war? Yes or no, please. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #53

An act of war that then led to war between the US and Japan karynnj Sep 2013 #55

Except.. sendero Sep 2013 #17

We've been in a state of war since 9/11 MNBrewer Sep 2013 #33

Committing an act of war puts you in a state of war, duh grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #44

It isn't a Lie if fredamae Sep 2013 #23

JK, War Hawk blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #38

What if the Syrians fire back? Countdown_3_2_1 Sep 2013 #39

"The President is not asking YOU to go to war..." truebluegreen Sep 2013 #48

I am also very dilsappointed, and more than a little worried, however . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #57

Ah John if another country bombed the USA that wouldn't be war? n/t doc03 Sep 2013 #59

That was a doozy, alright. polichick Sep 2013 #61

If someone referenced "Clinton's taking us to war Iraq".... Schema Thing Sep 2013 #64

I wonder if Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #67

Well that was nauseating. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #74

There is no war, and there is no spying, woo me with science Sep 2013 #71

" We need to keep millionaires happy " would ring better . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #77

It is wordplay, we are being played felix_numinous Sep 2013 #78

John Kerry's world: Heywood J Sep 2013 #79