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122. Obama is throwing any 'Legacy' he might have....

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The White House's handling of Syria is *historically* crazy [View all] MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 OP

Intergalactic chess, Manny. jsr Sep 2013 #1

triple layered Pharaoh Sep 2013 #160

It's utterly confounding to me too NuclearDem Sep 2013 #2

Third Wayers DO buy PNAC's agenda, hook, line and especially, sinker. n/t tavalon Sep 2013 #128

He should have ProSense Sep 2013 #3

I just hope they do the right thing and vote hell no! Heather MC Sep 2013 #49

He should NOT have done that, because it is precisely tblue37 Sep 2013 #57

It was sarcasm, but clearly ProSense Sep 2013 #74

Yeah he should have just "done it" like a REPUBLICAN bobduca Sep 2013 #60

LOL! Complaining that he was going to strike ProSense Sep 2013 #76

Peter King is a prominent member of Congress? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #81

Dem rep. says Obama should 'withdraw' authorization request ProSense Sep 2013 #82

Is McGovern saying something a *little* bit different than King? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #84

Sure, in the same way that Rand Paul says things a "*little* bit different" from people with sense. ProSense Sep 2013 #121

But hasn't the President said that the Congressional vote is merely advisory? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #125

There are indications that ProSense Sep 2013 #130

Couldn't someone in Congress just propose a BINDING resolution of some sort instead? n/t Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #148

Do you think he has handled this appropriately? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #97

There is some serious disconnect. Something morningfog Sep 2013 #4

I completely agree! marew Sep 2013 #14

I posted the same in another thread. It does not make sense. Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #40

Except it does add up. It does make sense. On "important" issues, we have no voice. reformist2 Sep 2013 #59

I think what's not adding up is that the accusations against Assad with the 'proof' they claimed to sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #73

+Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #83

Great post, sabrina 1. Raksha Sep 2013 #171

They are lying to us tavalon Sep 2013 #129

I believe it is about sending a message to Iran Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #5

I think Iran, Russia, China, Brazil, ...., know what "message the US is sending". delrem Sep 2013 #25

Explain further LukeFL Sep 2013 #163

The UK vote seemed to throw everything off leftstreet Sep 2013 #6

I sure and heck agree with you on this....... wandy Sep 2013 #7

The UN team was scheduled to leave at 7 am Saturday (8-31). They left at 4 am Saturday. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #8

That was the *second* time they pushed it up. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #17

OHHHHH, one day and three hours early. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #18

History's worst monster? I wrote that? Really? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #20

I'm glad you don't think Obama is history's worst monster. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #21

So... Why *did* the inspectors suddenly pull out a day early? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #143

What proof do you have that it was because of a US tipoff? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #149

U.N. rejects suggestion it's pulling out of Syria to allow strikes ProSense Sep 2013 #22

people were really pushing this at the time JI7 Sep 2013 #23

Oh, so there are around 1,000 UN workers in Syria right this very second? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #24

So desperate to believe in the Obama highprincipleswork Sep 2013 #39

"the Obama"? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #42

that day prevented them from collecting evidence from the 3 sites that are the excuse for attacking magical thyme Sep 2013 #67

But that is on them. Obama didn't throw them out. And other UN workers remain in Syria. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #138

I did not say they "threw them out," the OP did. magical thyme Sep 2013 #170

You aren't discussing the OP? I am. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #172

Well, you initially LIED to make it look like 3 hours. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #87

I never lie. I was wrong there. I'm happy to be corrected. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #137

Pickett's Charge vlakitti Sep 2013 #50

Wow : a 1 post 2010er awakened into action by Manny , how quaint. pkdu Sep 2013 #52

Because we all know that post count AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #105

Pickett's Charge of American politics tavalon Sep 2013 #126

Did you think through your Q because it doesn't underthematrix Sep 2013 #165

Suggesting Obama threw the inspectors out one day and three hours early Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #166

yes, it is loopy, but something very good could come about because of this quinnox Sep 2013 #9

The cynic in me is with you there. joshcryer Sep 2013 #56

The House will review their stock portfolios & realize that we need to send Syria a message. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #69

I think we should think of the children tavalon Sep 2013 #127

Hubris wilsonbooks Sep 2013 #10

Obliterated middle class, homelessness, et. al. is boring shit, Manny BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #11

I'm pissed. This is what he finally decides to fight for. We have been waiting for him to be willing liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #12

+100 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #70

Many otherwise skeptical people like the folks on DU were seduced by Obama's soaring rhetoric into HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #80

+1 Dems to Win Sep 2013 #142

You are not alone in your wild negative predictions about this matter Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #13

I think Obama's push to escalate the Syrian war fits seamlessly into what'll be his legacy. delrem Sep 2013 #28

You spelled it all out exactly how I see it. Just a continuation of the PNAC agenda. loudsue Sep 2013 #54

Obama is throwing any 'Legacy' he might have.... Vanje Sep 2013 #122

And this makes me so sad MissDeeds Sep 2013 #140

This... Triana Sep 2013 #15

he could have gone to war without the congress approval madrchsod Sep 2013 #16

yes and no about Congressional approval azurnoir Sep 2013 #37

That's not in my copy of the Constitution MNBrewer Sep 2013 #71

War Powers Resolution azurnoir Sep 2013 #139

If he'd gone after stimulus money this aggressively pscot Sep 2013 #19

Thank you! nt snappyturtle Sep 2013 #41

^^This^^ 99Forever Sep 2013 #64

i agree except for the 2nd one SwampG8r Sep 2013 #26

How venal, to judge a call to war as some kind of contest between D's and R's. delrem Sep 2013 #31

Maybe you should stick to the fine arts HangOnKids Sep 2013 #47

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #48

I think Obama and staff are thinking of the larger issues of TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #27

Yah, that's what GWB and staff were thinking of. WMD.... and warbergarble warbergarble... delrem Sep 2013 #29

Sure, Sparky. Obama is a black George Bush. Syria doesn't even have chem weapons, TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #32

That's just over the top hand waving. delrem Sep 2013 #34

I thought I covered it pretty well. Happy trails, then. TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #35

You and I both knew Hagel meant war was coming. You were thrilled with Republicans Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #68

Do you KNOW whats going on in LIbya now? bvar22 Sep 2013 #75

I'm not sure where you come down on the question of military intervention in Syria, but this HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #85

Thanks. I am undecided on a Syrian strike for chem weapon use--but TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #151

You would think he learned SOMETHING from Iraq. Apparently it was all the wrong things. dkf Sep 2013 #30

He always said he wanted to bring Americans together. FourScore Sep 2013 #33

Bring Americans Together bobduca Sep 2013 #61

I do agree. but Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #36

Europeans look at war differently than civilian Americans do. truedelphi Sep 2013 #45

so true Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #53

My friend, I would like to share with you a poem by Thomas Hardy: HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #89

thank you Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #94

Another poem by Matthew Arnold that may bring you some peace: HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #96

One of my favorites. Norman Mailer liked it, too. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #117

Shit, I had totally forgotten that book until now. It was great reporting by a great HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #119

Hmmm... Just Saying Sep 2013 #38

It is pretty mind boggling. David__77 Sep 2013 #43

Add to the points you are discussing the salient fact that Kerry simply could not truedelphi Sep 2013 #44

Those in charge seem to have forgotten too much of the past. Autumn Sep 2013 #65

They should friggin' study August 1914, imho - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #90

K&R idwiyo Sep 2013 #46

"threw the UN out of [mid-east country] early so we could bomb" Beartracks Sep 2013 #51

If, and it's a *big if,* he takes it to the UN... joshcryer Sep 2013 #55

+1. nt newfie11 Sep 2013 #58

Our next President needs to be an orphan, single, no children, no family, no loved ones. Scuba Sep 2013 #62

+1 nashville_brook Sep 2013 #72

And no religion too LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #109

+2 Hestia Sep 2013 #152

Remember Mc Cain Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iraq like a beach boy... polynomial Sep 2013 #63

You mean like this..... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #124

If you approach his behavior dispassionately it makes no sense at all DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #66

Every word you say is true. I even called the WH truedelphi Sep 2013 #153

I prefer to think of it more as the Custer's Last Stand of American politics, but HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #77

Dude was hand picked to be the anti-bush, bush. n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #78

K&R MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #79

"to make damned sure that the 80% of Americans who disagree with him on this issue forestpath Sep 2013 #86

Or he'll allow his Chief of Staff to call us "fucking retarded" like his HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #91

Maybe he's trying to kill the Unitary Executive for good. DirkGently Sep 2013 #88

Now that's some nth-dimensional chess! :) - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #92

Might have pulled a muscle straining there. 8) DirkGently Sep 2013 #93

War Hawk blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #95

The big mistake was number one on that list. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #98

The President has set up a win-win situation for the Republicans. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #99

Obama had the GOP on the proverbial mat and down for the count in Jan. 2009. Amazing HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #101

Mindblowing. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #115

This is no way erases the GOP in shape, form or fashion. In fact, when the Democratic party Hestia Sep 2013 #154

You make a good point. It will all hinge on whether or not he overrules Congress. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #157

"This will go down in history as a very bizarre and self-ruinous episode..." Ocelot Sep 2013 #100

"Obama is a danger to the American people and the entire planet." ProSense Sep 2013 #103

No, I think he's just cold and calculating (n/t) Ocelot Sep 2013 #107

Some people have been saying that since 2007. ProSense Sep 2013 #110

Let me know when he proves the NSA abuses "hyperbole" wrong Ocelot Sep 2013 #112

Agreed! MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #114

"Obama's Vietnam": ProSense Sep 2013 #116

I disagree that he is "mad". He is very smart and calculating. Problem rhett o rick Sep 2013 #159

I have been wondering for a couple of days avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #102

"if the man in the Oval office isn't crazy himself." ProSense Sep 2013 #104

I think that is why so many of us have been actively calling and emailing our reps, prosense. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #106

We'll see how this plays out. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #111

When one considers... Oilwellian Sep 2013 #145

I would just call it AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #108

Six interviews in a couple of days? another_liberal Sep 2013 #113

This train is never late. cliffordu Sep 2013 #118

Its not going well for the overall Obama Presidency Vanje Sep 2013 #120

Pickett's Charge of American politics tavalon Sep 2013 #123

. snagglepuss Sep 2013 #131

It fits right in with a country that has torture camps and limitless spying Corruption Inc Sep 2013 #132

The ONLY thing that makes ANY sense at all... bvar22 Sep 2013 #133

Make shit happen on the Dems' watch. Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #146

Am I reading this correctly? Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #168

K&R avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #134

Yup. It's one of the weirdest zentrum Sep 2013 #135

It makes no sense Admiral, except to solely fulfill a longstanding RW PNAC wet dream indepat Sep 2013 #136

The Terror, Terror, Terror Card is coming alsame Sep 2013 #141

Nope, it's just "common sense": HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #144

Oh, my... ocpagu Sep 2013 #155

To be the Pickett's charge He would have to hootinholler Sep 2013 #147

''Pickett's Charge of American politics.'' DeSwiss Sep 2013 #150

Another Manny Prediction? JoePhilly Sep 2013 #156

At least he posts more than a copy of Sid's rude emoticon. Is that "The Group's" rhett o rick Sep 2013 #158

Are there any previous predictions that you have an issue with? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #161

What You See is What You Get School Teacher Sep 2013 #162

You think it's bizarre because your lens is the media hype. underthematrix Sep 2013 #164

good point (n/t) Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #167

No Carriers in the Mediterranean I think is the best explanation. happyslug Sep 2013 #169