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Aerows

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27. He voted yes

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:23 PM

Sep 2013

If his heart was telling him no, and the evidence told him no, he should have voted no. But that isn't what he did. He voted yes, and you aren't going to be able to manipulate that into a positive that he really said no, because his actions said yes (the vote). "I don't want to shoot you" while pulling the trigger pretty much says that you feel otherwise and after the fact trying to justify it doesn't change the fact that you shot someone, nor does it make the person that was shot feel any better.

And that's what war is. It costs lives, health and relationships. It's not some video game or some game to play in the boardroom in the race to see who generates the most shareholder profits or who generates the most votes. It's life and death for a whole lot of people.

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Kerry COVERS UP Iraq War Falsifications [View all] Segami Sep 2013 OP

"...Kerry stated at that time that he expected President Bush.. Segami Sep 2013 #1

He did not break that promise karynnj Sep 2013 #64

good job hfojvt Sep 2013 #71

Of course it's a lie. He's a fucking LIAR cali Sep 2013 #2

When Kerry challenged Bush to answer four questions... Segami Sep 2013 #3

You're wrong. Kerry opposed the DECISION to go to war when weapon inspectors proved blm Sep 2013 #4

23 Senators actually voted No on the invasion, Kerry voted Yes, Hagel voted Yes. Biden voted Yes. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #7

And when inspectors proved WMDs were not there, Kerry stood with them and against blm Sep 2013 #12

A Yes vote was support for the decision to go to war and no amount of spin can change that Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #9

He voted Yes, and said at the time that should weapon inspectors not find what blm Sep 2013 #11

The yes vote was legally binding support for the war, the promise to stand against was mere rhetoric Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #15

Like Obama and his signing statement on the NDAA. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #44

voting yes meant that his protests afterward would mean nothing. roguevalley Sep 2013 #54

You vote to get inspectors in and see what they find. blm Sep 2013 #55

anyone who voted for this at any stage is a weasel. I live in the boonies of roguevalley Sep 2013 #60

They were informed it would include UN weapon inspection process. blm Sep 2013 #61

Baghdad Johnny voted to give bush a blank check and cali Sep 2013 #65

there was a time in late February hfojvt Sep 2013 #70

+1,000 n/t malaise Sep 2013 #19

Thanks tio you, BLM - here is a link to David Frum in the National Review blasting Kerry for speakin karynnj Sep 2013 #66

Kerry did oppose the decision. ProSense Sep 2013 #5

23 Senators actually voted No on the invasion, Kerry voted Yes, Hagel voted Yes. Biden voted Yes. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #8

I posted the other resolutions, and the quote doesn't contradict my point: ProSense Sep 2013 #14

I notice that you don't include Hillary Clinton karynnj Sep 2013 #67

A Yes vote to authorize Bush to go to war is not opposing the war Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #10

I guess she thinks it will Aerows Sep 2013 #16

He DID stand against the decision to invade after inspections. blm Sep 2013 #22

A Yes vote Aerows Sep 2013 #24

To use another example, the "near win" on the Amash amendment. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #45

I'd be dizzy, but the bullshit smells Aerows Sep 2013 #47

And he said if weapon inspector reports proved there were no WMDs he'd blm Sep 2013 #18

Once again voting Yes is supporting the war even if he promised to oppose it later Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #25

At the time weapon inspections were part of IWR...other Yes Dems said the same blm Sep 2013 #28

He supported the war before the report was released Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #30

Nope - he promised IN THAT SAME SPEECH to stand against a decision blm Sep 2013 #33

He stood for the decision before he stood against it Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #35

The TRUTH matters. And it doesn't change. He did what he SAID he'd do blm Sep 2013 #41

He voted for the DECISION to invade Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #43

Then why the UN resolution to put inspectors in? blm Sep 2013 #56

These are some of the same people ProSense Sep 2013 #52

He voted yes Aerows Sep 2013 #27

He did stand against the DECISION to invade, just as he promised when he blm Sep 2013 #31

OMG Aerows Sep 2013 #48

He voted "Yes" Aerows Sep 2013 #13

Still baloney - he was against the DECISION TO INVADE after the weapon inspectors blm Sep 2013 #20

He voted YES to invade Iraq Aerows Sep 2013 #21

No one said he didn't vote Yes on IWR. And at the time IWR included weapon inspections blm Sep 2013 #26

You were just arguing and so was ProSense Aerows Sep 2013 #29

I made no such silly assertion. ProSense Sep 2013 #34

Since when did "use of military force" not mean war? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #36

The attempts to spin Aerows Sep 2013 #38

"No, it wasn't an official declaration of war, but" ProSense Sep 2013 #50

Kerry didn't agree with Bush's decision to go to invade Iraq. Aerows Sep 2013 #37

The vote was in October 2002 - the inspectors came in AFTER that the decision to go to war was March karynnj Sep 2013 #68

Do you even believe the shit you are saying? Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #39

I know exactly what I'm saying, and really don't give a shit what you think. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #51

Oh, it's obvious that you don't give a shit what anyone thinks Aerows Sep 2013 #73

No, I said clearly that his was a tough vote, but, he stuck to his word blm Sep 2013 #57

The AUMF was an authorization to use military force against Iraq. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #17

He voted yes Aerows Sep 2013 #23

geez, he not only voted for it then, in 2004 he said he'd do it again. KG Sep 2013 #40

He's a member of the administration now NuclearDem Sep 2013 #42

It's like they expect to hold Aerows Sep 2013 #46

The politics of convenience. Dove when convenient. Hawk when convenient..or when the boss says so. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #6

those of us who were paying attention since 2002 are not fooled by Kerry's attempt... mike_c Sep 2013 #32

The first person of note The Wizard Sep 2013 #49

Except now Dean supports attacking Syria. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #58

Because Biden-Lugar would have prevented war in Iraq? blm Sep 2013 #59

In fall of 2002, when the resolutions were voted on, Dean supported a resolution against Iraq karynnj Sep 2013 #69

lying for the boss is his job. Kerry, like his boss, is a liar bowens43 Sep 2013 #53

Bunch of despicable liars jsr Sep 2013 #62

If you are referring to the OP - I agree karynnj Sep 2013 #72

k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #63