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59. Because Biden-Lugar would have prevented war in Iraq?

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 05:57 PM

Sep 2013

Because, just as Kerry preferred Biden-Lugar version of IWR, so did Dean who said in Oct2002, he would have voted yes for it. Dean was for Biden-Lugar version of IWR.

Perhaps it's simply that you don't remember what actually happened and exactly when they happened.

http://observer.com/2002/08/kerry-shows-courage-in-challenging-bush/

Plus:

http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/Dean_Interview_MeetThePress_July21_2002.htm

Dean on MTP in July 2002
Refusing to back up Kerry and Gore criticisms of Bush's military command:

MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the military operation in Afghanistan has been successful?

GOV. DEAN: Yes, I do, and I support the president in that military operation.

MR. RUSSERT: The battle of Tora Bora was successful?

GOV. DEAN: I’ve seen others criticize the president. I think it’s very easy to second-guess the
commander-in-chief at a time of war. I don’t choose to engage in doing that.

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Kerry COVERS UP Iraq War Falsifications [View all] Segami Sep 2013 OP

"...Kerry stated at that time that he expected President Bush.. Segami Sep 2013 #1

He did not break that promise karynnj Sep 2013 #64

good job hfojvt Sep 2013 #71

Of course it's a lie. He's a fucking LIAR cali Sep 2013 #2

When Kerry challenged Bush to answer four questions... Segami Sep 2013 #3

You're wrong. Kerry opposed the DECISION to go to war when weapon inspectors proved blm Sep 2013 #4

23 Senators actually voted No on the invasion, Kerry voted Yes, Hagel voted Yes. Biden voted Yes. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #7

And when inspectors proved WMDs were not there, Kerry stood with them and against blm Sep 2013 #12

A Yes vote was support for the decision to go to war and no amount of spin can change that Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #9

He voted Yes, and said at the time that should weapon inspectors not find what blm Sep 2013 #11

The yes vote was legally binding support for the war, the promise to stand against was mere rhetoric Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #15

Like Obama and his signing statement on the NDAA. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #44

voting yes meant that his protests afterward would mean nothing. roguevalley Sep 2013 #54

You vote to get inspectors in and see what they find. blm Sep 2013 #55

anyone who voted for this at any stage is a weasel. I live in the boonies of roguevalley Sep 2013 #60

They were informed it would include UN weapon inspection process. blm Sep 2013 #61

Baghdad Johnny voted to give bush a blank check and cali Sep 2013 #65

there was a time in late February hfojvt Sep 2013 #70

+1,000 n/t malaise Sep 2013 #19

Thanks tio you, BLM - here is a link to David Frum in the National Review blasting Kerry for speakin karynnj Sep 2013 #66

Kerry did oppose the decision. ProSense Sep 2013 #5

23 Senators actually voted No on the invasion, Kerry voted Yes, Hagel voted Yes. Biden voted Yes. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #8

I posted the other resolutions, and the quote doesn't contradict my point: ProSense Sep 2013 #14

I notice that you don't include Hillary Clinton karynnj Sep 2013 #67

A Yes vote to authorize Bush to go to war is not opposing the war Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #10

I guess she thinks it will Aerows Sep 2013 #16

He DID stand against the decision to invade after inspections. blm Sep 2013 #22

A Yes vote Aerows Sep 2013 #24

To use another example, the "near win" on the Amash amendment. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #45

I'd be dizzy, but the bullshit smells Aerows Sep 2013 #47

And he said if weapon inspector reports proved there were no WMDs he'd blm Sep 2013 #18

Once again voting Yes is supporting the war even if he promised to oppose it later Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #25

At the time weapon inspections were part of IWR...other Yes Dems said the same blm Sep 2013 #28

He supported the war before the report was released Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #30

Nope - he promised IN THAT SAME SPEECH to stand against a decision blm Sep 2013 #33

He stood for the decision before he stood against it Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #35

The TRUTH matters. And it doesn't change. He did what he SAID he'd do blm Sep 2013 #41

He voted for the DECISION to invade Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #43

Then why the UN resolution to put inspectors in? blm Sep 2013 #56

These are some of the same people ProSense Sep 2013 #52

He voted yes Aerows Sep 2013 #27

He did stand against the DECISION to invade, just as he promised when he blm Sep 2013 #31

OMG Aerows Sep 2013 #48

He voted "Yes" Aerows Sep 2013 #13

Still baloney - he was against the DECISION TO INVADE after the weapon inspectors blm Sep 2013 #20

He voted YES to invade Iraq Aerows Sep 2013 #21

No one said he didn't vote Yes on IWR. And at the time IWR included weapon inspections blm Sep 2013 #26

You were just arguing and so was ProSense Aerows Sep 2013 #29

I made no such silly assertion. ProSense Sep 2013 #34

Since when did "use of military force" not mean war? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #36

The attempts to spin Aerows Sep 2013 #38

"No, it wasn't an official declaration of war, but" ProSense Sep 2013 #50

Kerry didn't agree with Bush's decision to go to invade Iraq. Aerows Sep 2013 #37

The vote was in October 2002 - the inspectors came in AFTER that the decision to go to war was March karynnj Sep 2013 #68

Do you even believe the shit you are saying? Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #39

I know exactly what I'm saying, and really don't give a shit what you think. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #51

Oh, it's obvious that you don't give a shit what anyone thinks Aerows Sep 2013 #73

No, I said clearly that his was a tough vote, but, he stuck to his word blm Sep 2013 #57

The AUMF was an authorization to use military force against Iraq. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #17

He voted yes Aerows Sep 2013 #23

geez, he not only voted for it then, in 2004 he said he'd do it again. KG Sep 2013 #40

He's a member of the administration now NuclearDem Sep 2013 #42

It's like they expect to hold Aerows Sep 2013 #46

The politics of convenience. Dove when convenient. Hawk when convenient..or when the boss says so. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #6

those of us who were paying attention since 2002 are not fooled by Kerry's attempt... mike_c Sep 2013 #32

The first person of note The Wizard Sep 2013 #49

Except now Dean supports attacking Syria. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #58

Because Biden-Lugar would have prevented war in Iraq? blm Sep 2013 #59

In fall of 2002, when the resolutions were voted on, Dean supported a resolution against Iraq karynnj Sep 2013 #69

lying for the boss is his job. Kerry, like his boss, is a liar bowens43 Sep 2013 #53

Bunch of despicable liars jsr Sep 2013 #62

If you are referring to the OP - I agree karynnj Sep 2013 #72

k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #63