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In reply to the discussion: White House: Irrefutable Assad link to gas attack lacking, but passes ‘common-sense test’ [View all]brisas2k
(76 posts)61. Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack Carried Out by Rebels, Says UN (UPDATE)
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/syrian-chemical-weapons-attack-carried-out-by-rebels-says-un/
Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack Carried Out by Rebels, Says UN (UPDATE)
Added by Graham Noble on August 27, 2013.
Saved under Graham Noble, Op-ed, Syria, World
UN in Syria
As the Syrian revolt continues to tear the country apart, the international community has been eager to condemn Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, even as it became clear that the rebels do not, in fact, represent a popular uprising against the oppression of the Assad regime. According to UN diplomat Carla del Ponte, however, it appears that the recent chemical weapons attack, in April, was carried out by the Syrian rebels and not the regime, as it had been widely assumed. Speaking to a Swiss television channel, del Ponte said that there were strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof, that rebels had carried out the attack. She also said UN investigators had seen no evidence of the Syrian army using chemical weapons, but that further investigation was needed.
A spokesman for the rebels denied responsibility for the most recent attack, which allegedly involved the deployment of sarin nerve gas. He pointed out that the Free Syrian Army does not possess the missiles or shells necessary to deliver the chemical agent. Sarin gas, however, can be delivered in a number of ways. Additionally, while the rebels claim that the chemical agent was delivered by missiles or artilery, there is no evidence of a missile strike or shelling in any of the many videos that have been uploaded to the internet in the wake of the alleged attack.
After swift initial progress in the more than two-year-old conflict, the rebel advance was stalled as Lebanese terror group Hezbollah sent fighters to the regimes aid. Whilst a number of towns have been taken and then retaken by each side, Assads forces have gradually gained the upper hand. With his army making gains and the eyes of the world upon him, it seems unlikely that the Syrian President would risk carrying out a chemical attack particularly against an urban area. The Syrian government has flatly denied responsibility for this latest alleged chemical weapons attack and although not widely reported in the western media, there is broad suspicion that it was, indeed, carried out by the rebels. Ultimately, it may prove impossible for UN inspectors to determine who was responsible for the incident. Further, their investigation may be curtailed by the seemingly imminent military action possibly in the form of cruise missile strikes by the United States and the United Kingdom.
US President Obama has sent out mixed messages, regarding his intentions towards Syria; whilst he has stated that the US would not take military action against Syria without a UN mandate, it appears that preparations for an attack are already well underway, with American and British naval forces massing in the region. There is widespread speculation that strikes could be carried out within a week, despite strong and repeated warnings from both Russia and Iran, as well as the Syrian regime itself.
One of the most ominous repercussions of US intervention against the Syrian government is the possibility that Iran and its surrogate in Lebanon, Hezbollah, will launch strikes against Israel, in retaliation. This, in turn, could lead to a regional war, with Russia and the US lined up on opposing sides.
The United States government has been quick to condemn the Syrian government for the latest chemical weapons attack. Now that much of the evidence suggests it may have been carried out by the al-Qaeda-affiliated rebels, President Obama should remember that he, along with his supporters and political allies, devoted much time to condemning his predecessor for leading the US into war based on questionable intelligence.
UPDATE: This article was updated to clarify one or two points that some of our readers found misleading: The chemical attack earlier this year was widely blamed on the Syrian regime. It is this attack that the UN now concludes was carried out by Syrian rebels. It appears unlikely for a number of reasons that the most recent August 21st attack was carried out by government forces despite the rush to judgement within the international community although this has yet to be fully determined. It is clear that both sides in the Syrian conflict have the means to use chemical weapons and it would be misguided to assume that either side has a moral objection to such attacks.
As Jean Pascal Zanders, formerly of the European Union Institute for Security Studies, has pointed out In fact, we the public know very little beyond the observation of outward symptoms of asphyxiation and possible exposure to neurotoxicants, despite the mass of images and film footage. For the Wests credibility, I think that governments should await the results of the U.N. investigation.
An Editorial by Graham J Noble
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Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack Carried Out by Rebels, Says UN (UPDATE)
Added by Graham Noble on August 27, 2013.
Saved under Graham Noble, Op-ed, Syria, World
UN in Syria
As the Syrian revolt continues to tear the country apart, the international community has been eager to condemn Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, even as it became clear that the rebels do not, in fact, represent a popular uprising against the oppression of the Assad regime. According to UN diplomat Carla del Ponte, however, it appears that the recent chemical weapons attack, in April, was carried out by the Syrian rebels and not the regime, as it had been widely assumed. Speaking to a Swiss television channel, del Ponte said that there were strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof, that rebels had carried out the attack. She also said UN investigators had seen no evidence of the Syrian army using chemical weapons, but that further investigation was needed.
A spokesman for the rebels denied responsibility for the most recent attack, which allegedly involved the deployment of sarin nerve gas. He pointed out that the Free Syrian Army does not possess the missiles or shells necessary to deliver the chemical agent. Sarin gas, however, can be delivered in a number of ways. Additionally, while the rebels claim that the chemical agent was delivered by missiles or artilery, there is no evidence of a missile strike or shelling in any of the many videos that have been uploaded to the internet in the wake of the alleged attack.
After swift initial progress in the more than two-year-old conflict, the rebel advance was stalled as Lebanese terror group Hezbollah sent fighters to the regimes aid. Whilst a number of towns have been taken and then retaken by each side, Assads forces have gradually gained the upper hand. With his army making gains and the eyes of the world upon him, it seems unlikely that the Syrian President would risk carrying out a chemical attack particularly against an urban area. The Syrian government has flatly denied responsibility for this latest alleged chemical weapons attack and although not widely reported in the western media, there is broad suspicion that it was, indeed, carried out by the rebels. Ultimately, it may prove impossible for UN inspectors to determine who was responsible for the incident. Further, their investigation may be curtailed by the seemingly imminent military action possibly in the form of cruise missile strikes by the United States and the United Kingdom.
US President Obama has sent out mixed messages, regarding his intentions towards Syria; whilst he has stated that the US would not take military action against Syria without a UN mandate, it appears that preparations for an attack are already well underway, with American and British naval forces massing in the region. There is widespread speculation that strikes could be carried out within a week, despite strong and repeated warnings from both Russia and Iran, as well as the Syrian regime itself.
One of the most ominous repercussions of US intervention against the Syrian government is the possibility that Iran and its surrogate in Lebanon, Hezbollah, will launch strikes against Israel, in retaliation. This, in turn, could lead to a regional war, with Russia and the US lined up on opposing sides.
The United States government has been quick to condemn the Syrian government for the latest chemical weapons attack. Now that much of the evidence suggests it may have been carried out by the al-Qaeda-affiliated rebels, President Obama should remember that he, along with his supporters and political allies, devoted much time to condemning his predecessor for leading the US into war based on questionable intelligence.
UPDATE: This article was updated to clarify one or two points that some of our readers found misleading: The chemical attack earlier this year was widely blamed on the Syrian regime. It is this attack that the UN now concludes was carried out by Syrian rebels. It appears unlikely for a number of reasons that the most recent August 21st attack was carried out by government forces despite the rush to judgement within the international community although this has yet to be fully determined. It is clear that both sides in the Syrian conflict have the means to use chemical weapons and it would be misguided to assume that either side has a moral objection to such attacks.
As Jean Pascal Zanders, formerly of the European Union Institute for Security Studies, has pointed out In fact, we the public know very little beyond the observation of outward symptoms of asphyxiation and possible exposure to neurotoxicants, despite the mass of images and film footage. For the Wests credibility, I think that governments should await the results of the U.N. investigation.
An Editorial by Graham J Noble
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White House: Irrefutable Assad link to gas attack lacking, but passes ‘common-sense test’ [View all]
morningfog
Sep 2013
OP
WTF? Common sense test says last thing the Assad regime wanted was this situation.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#3
Actually Occam's razor and common sense need not be the same thing at all.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#47
and was Obama President then? The Republicans were and we know how they feel about
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#51
Sure, I was. That didn't mean I thought it was advisable to invade Iraq n/t
markpkessinger
Sep 2013
#55
"Common-sense"... Would seem to be that rebels stole chemical weapons and used them to drum up
Taitertots
Sep 2013
#5
Indeed. "Common-sense" says that the DAY the UN CW inspectors arrive is not the DAY...
Junkdrawer
Sep 2013
#7
Please. This is a devastating story and needs to be disseminated far and wide. Completely
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#18
Hey sport, how many more humans are you willing to kill based merely based on 'common sense'? You're
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#34
"And jurors, during your deliberations ignore the evidence you've heard, and just go with your gut!"
reformist2
Sep 2013
#12
If common sense was really all that common, it wouldn't be remarked upon when it happens.
hobbit709
Sep 2013
#20
Before I was merely sad. Now I am really mad. Those sociopathic lying warmongering,
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#21
Does the 'common sense' theory apply to OUR OWN War Criminals then? Can we just arrest them and
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#22
He has not consulted the mighty Carnac the Great! Miss Cleo should have some input too...
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#68
Common sense test says that going to war requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt
leveymg
Sep 2013
#39
Even IF they had 'irrefutable evidence' linking the attacks to Assad . . .
markpkessinger
Sep 2013
#43
Sorry, Mr. President -- I don't want my country engaging in acts of war . . .
markpkessinger
Sep 2013
#50
Yeah ...well ...the only place this is "common sense" is in the fucking DC bubble. FFS!
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#64
Joe Biden said this day would come, and we'd have to stand with the President.
Common Sense Party
Sep 2013
#76