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morningfog

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72. Maybe. Nothing has been signed, no weapons moved.

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:05 PM

Sep 2013

Putin jumped on an off-hand quote. Assad jumped too. It is in their benefit to do so, whether they have any intention of actually following through. Even if they don't, it gives Assad another day without being bombed.

It is in Obama's interest to delay the debate. He is bleeding support at home, the Senate is delaying the vote. He is pressing the case on the news and in a prime time address.

My gut opinion is that this was an opportunistic move by all involved and none of them are acting in good faith. Assad isn't going to turn over the weapons in a away that will satisfy the US. The US holds the excuse of non-compliance in their back pocket to use at the opportune time. Then, Obama can either try again with Congress, or strike out of an immediacy.

This isn't near over.

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No, Obama does not got this. No, he is not Brilliant. No, this was never his plan. [View all] grahamhgreen Sep 2013 OP

for you... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #1

Amazing isn't it? Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #2

+1 n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #90

it strikes me as laughable and wildly arrogant Californeeway Sep 2013 #114

+++ nt ellenrr Sep 2013 #125

If it turns out well and we avoid military action, I'll be thrilled... polichick Sep 2013 #3

We'll see, I still fear he's just giving lip service and a week from now they'll be telling us why grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Sep 2013 #12

He didn't have the votes in the House. Maybe not in the Senate. Simple as that. leveymg Sep 2013 #54

Simple as that. n/t Raksha Sep 2013 #71

that's possible, otoh, having seen the extreme outraged reaction by the people ellenrr Sep 2013 #126

What do you think ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #104

It doesn't have to be planned. gulliver Sep 2013 #130

oh, but wait. then the TOP GUY says this Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #5

What, exactly, in that linked article contradicts the premise of the OP? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #8

The OP's premise is that Obama is stupid and can achieve things only geek tragedy Sep 2013 #9

Actually that doesn't seem to be the OP's point Scootaloo Sep 2013 #33

Obama and Kerry are much smarter than their smartest supporters here, let alone geek tragedy Sep 2013 #50

Oh, I have NO doubts that they're smarter than their "supporters" here Scootaloo Sep 2013 #59

That's not how it went LukeFL Sep 2013 #65

But I keep hearing that EVERYONE on DU "supports" this president and that NOBODY "hates" him Number23 Sep 2013 #144

Assumptions based upon ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #105

the part where some unnamed sourced says �There is no one in the administration who is taking this Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #10

All the while indicating that he's skeptical MNBrewer Sep 2013 #13

why wouldn't he be skeptical. It's rather late breaking Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #14

Smells like bull shit MNBrewer Sep 2013 #16

smells like olfactory problems. that is all you want to smell Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #18

"Syria wouldn't even admit they had chem weapons prior to today" MNBrewer Sep 2013 #23

yep Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #34

That does not support your assertion. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #37

It's true. Just Saying Sep 2013 #110

Awwww, someone's bitter that they can't bash Obama for being a warmonger. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #6

it's crazy watching people get so twisted. They are consumed by hate. Sad. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #7

"Consumed byhate"? After voting for him twice? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #11

But they never really loved him DJ13 Sep 2013 #19

That claim is not provable on the internet treestar Sep 2013 #27

LOYALTY OATH VIOLATION!!11! LOYALTY OATH VIOLATION!! DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #31

Uncalled for treestar Sep 2013 #112

Why is it so hard to believe they're genuinely opposed to ridiculous wars sold by lies? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #35

because this issue does not involve a ridiculous war sold by lies treestar Sep 2013 #111

and gave him money and knocked on so many doors arely staircase Sep 2013 #30

attempting to validate present day Obama hate, using the same old arguement.....I voted for hime 2x Sheepshank Sep 2013 #139

Voting for Obama twice is the new "I'm not racist, I have black friends"? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #141

**ATTACK DOG MODE** got it, it was the only defense. Sheepshank Sep 2013 #143

We don't deserve to vote Democratic! How ever can we regain your trust? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Sep 2013 #139

Maybe they're just consumed by hate for cruise missiles. cigsandcoffee Sep 2013 #17

those cruise missiles seemed to have focused mr. assad's mind nt arely staircase Sep 2013 #32

No, they just really hate Obama. And the possibility of getting out of attacking Syria with Chem kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #113

Give it a few days. rug Sep 2013 #24

You mean he's stopped monging? Attacking Syria alone is off the table? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #69

Which is it with you folks? geek tragedy Sep 2013 #74

Uhhhh, can I pick both, LOL;) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #78

Have to agree on that one! Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2013 #83

Literacy is your friend HangOnKids Sep 2013 #117

When one is on their feet for 10 and a half hours strait with zero breaks... Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2013 #151

Indeed Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Sep 2013 #117

He is not an idiot. Anything he has done or not done was planned all along. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #92

You know what else you don't understand? zeemike Sep 2013 #97

Um, y'all show as much nuance towards Obama geek tragedy Sep 2013 #100

Well there is no nuance to with us or against us. zeemike Sep 2013 #103

Just a common used war salesman, LOL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #115

And you are sad that this pressure from all dems changed his mind all of the sudden! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #91

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #127

Some deranged moron hacked your account and wrote this: geek tragedy Sep 2013 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Sep 2013 #134

Russia likes this, because an international agreement strengthens and affirms Assad... cigsandcoffee Sep 2013 #15

An international agreement, this one in particular, strengthens everyone bhikkhu Sep 2013 #95

And that is a good thing. RC Sep 2013 #137

The brilliant Vladimir Putin as arrived to save the day. He has got this. It is his plan. pampango Sep 2013 #20

+1 as his client state, it was arguable he should have treestar Sep 2013 #26

Too bad the U.S. didn't propose the surrender of the chemical snappyturtle Sep 2013 #99

"...I can't tell yet how pleased the admin is about it..." pampango Sep 2013 #122

I think your proposal would have been quite interesting. snappyturtle Sep 2013 #123

Two things: ProSense Sep 2013 #21

Hush......... that's not what they wanted to hear. 4bucksagallon Sep 2013 #85

Why is it so upsetting to see Democrats treestar Sep 2013 #22

You're Cute in Your Impotent Rageyish Sort of Way, but I'm Gonna Just Laugh So Skraxx Sep 2013 #25

Is this all really Madam Mossfern Sep 2013 #38

Maybe to you Skraxx Sep 2013 #51

It doesn't stick in my craw Madam Mossfern Sep 2013 #58

Of course it is the result of several factors, however, Skidmore Sep 2013 #124

+1...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #48

Doesn't John Kerry work for OBama ? JI7 Sep 2013 #28

No No No...? sheshe2 Sep 2013 #29

silly fool.. this is his ruse to destroy social security while no one is looking!1!!11 dionysus Sep 2013 #41

Oooooh Noooooes! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #45

Social Serurity???? Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2013 #73

+1 !!!!!!! Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2013 #70

LFR! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #76

Not yet. Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2013 #86

LFR~ sheshe2 Sep 2013 #88

Thank you! Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2013 #94

Ya think! Cha Sep 2013 #150

Oh he's got it! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #155

Wesley Clark disagrees krawhitham Sep 2013 #36

Or maybe the official doesn't know as much as s/he thinks s/he knows. pnwmom Sep 2013 #39

Is it possible that... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #101

Or maybe pnwmom Sep 2013 #102

It wasn't the plan, obviously. BlueCheese Sep 2013 #40

Kerry didn't get the WH memo... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #44

But, but...this isn't about the President, right? CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #42

Somebody must have flashed the emergency Bat Signal down in the bog. bvar22 Sep 2013 #43

I'm rotflmao they're spinning Kerry going off-script... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #46

Maybe Kerry said exactly what he intended to say and the official is the one pnwmom Sep 2013 #47

It really is nuts. bvar22 Sep 2013 #49

They are like Palin supporters. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #53

I know I should avert my eyes from the embarrassing spectacle, bvar22 Sep 2013 #62

Yes, its a trainwreck you have to watch. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #64

You mean the Palin that Alan Grayson agrees with on Syria? CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #116

It's almost as funny as people who assume that Kerry would go geek tragedy Sep 2013 #55

Assume? The WH said Kerry went off-script. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #60

So now you decide to believe everything they geek tragedy Sep 2013 #63

Kerry has been flailing about like tattered laundry in the storm. morningfog Sep 2013 #67

So this is all dumb luck? nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #68

Maybe. Nothing has been signed, no weapons moved. morningfog Sep 2013 #72

So, your take is that there is no diplomatic geek tragedy Sep 2013 #75

I don't know if there is or not. This could be the best chance. morningfog Sep 2013 #79

hahahahahahaahaahahahahaha... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #82

Kerry strategically revealed the Obama master plan in a carefully flubbed interview question! bobduca Sep 2013 #106

Y'all really need to get over your creepy obsession with the BOG. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #52

"Signed, someone who never posts in the BOG." sheshe2 Sep 2013 #84

+1000 ^^^ what he said. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #87

No kidding davidpdx Sep 2013 #96

Actually, I have never posted to The Bog, bvar22 Sep 2013 #149

+1000 CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #119

+ a million. And I'm sure it's a coincidence that so many so terrified by the BOG tend to be Number23 Sep 2013 #146

No kidding LittleBlue Sep 2013 #56

They're so obnoxious Union Scribe Sep 2013 #81

That comment wasn't very mature. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #109

And are firing talking points that directly contradict the last ones. JoeyT Sep 2013 #121

In response to the Rat Signal going out to OET... SidDithers Sep 2013 #128

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #133

+10000000 nashville_brook Sep 2013 #148

Probably not for you LukeFL Sep 2013 #57

Prejudice. Liberal Veteran Sep 2013 #61

+100000 dionysus Sep 2013 #66

Perfect. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #89

That makes some semblance of sense so why bring it up on an anti Obama post. LOL! 4bucksagallon Sep 2013 #93

Obama has a chance to gracefully back away from making war on Syria. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #77

Yeah, I'll lay off and hope he does the right thing here. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #80

He's always had that chance, the UN. joshcryer Sep 2013 #108

Obama just can not catch a break from the left or right. LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #98

If you even hold a lottery ticket's hope of "catching a break" from the right then you have no TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #120

we'll see. ain't over till it's over. spanone Sep 2013 #107

The weird bitterness from some here over Obama possibly not sufrommich Sep 2013 #129

Yup +1 Sheepshank Sep 2013 #147

Oh - you wacky guys! tjwash Sep 2013 #131

Yes, you can still hate him all you want. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #132

EVERYONE on this thread seems to have forgotten that Obama has surrounded himself with Republican, RC Sep 2013 #136

Went off script in major ways. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #138

The OP of this post reminds me of a "cooler" IsItJustMe Sep 2013 #142

He's got this! bravenak Sep 2013 #152

Pffffffth. cliffordu Sep 2013 #154