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In reply to the discussion: U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials to Obama: “Assad NOT Responsible for Chemical Attack” [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)236. 9/10- Gareth Porter: Some in US Intel. Community Reject Obama Admin Case for Syria Attack (part 1)
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Some in US Intel. Community Reject Obama Admin Case for Syria Attack
Pt 1: Gareth Porter: US Intelligence on Syria "cherry-picked" by proponents of proposed strike
September 10, 13
VIDEO AND TRANSCRIPT
Guest Bio:
Gareth Porter is a historian and investigative journalist on US foreign and military policy analyst. He writes regularly for Inter Press Service on US policy towards Iraq and Iran. Author of four books, the latest of which is Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam.
JAISAL NOOR, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Jaisal Noor in Baltimore. And welcome to this latest edition of The Porter Report.
As the Obama administration continues to outline its case for attacking Syria, new revelations have come to light that call into question the very intelligence the White House is using to justify its actions.
Now joining us to discuss this is Gareth Porter. He's a historian and investigative journalist on U.S. foreign and military policy. He writes regularly for the Inter Press Service, and he received the U.K.-based Gellhorn Prize for Journalism in 2011 for his articles on the U.S. war in Afghanistan. His new piece published today in IPS is "Obama's Case for Syria Didn't Reflect Intel Consensus".
Thank you so much for joining us, Gareth.
GARETH PORTER, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Thank you, Jaisal.
NOOR: So, Gareth, what do you know and how do you know it?
PORTER: Well, we know that there's a problem with the way in which the intelligence paper that the White House issued August 30 has been described, for a number of reasons. The thing that--the tipoff that should have alerted me and many others but which I and others missed is the fact that this paper about the intelligence on the Syrian chemical weapons attack or alleged attack of August 21 has been called by the White House, labeled a U.S. government assessment.
Now, that raises very fundamental question: why would the White House call a paper that's supposed to represent the intelligence community's perspective or their analysis of this intelligence a U.S. government assessment? And that is a tipoff that in fact this was not a paper that was put forward by the intelligence community itself and then simply released by the White House. It was a paper that went through a process which did involve the intelligence community, no doubt about that. They undoubtedly submitted their analyses, various intelligence agencies, the CIA, the DIA, and the 14 others, to the office of the director of national intelligence, James Clapper. There was a press report a couple of days, I think three days before the release of this paper indicating that the plan was that Clapper would be the person who would be the alleged author or the person whose name would be on this paper. But in fact his name is nowhere to be found. And I found from a very careful search of the website of the office of the director of national intelligence that it's nowhere to be found there either. It's only found on the White House website itself.
And incidentally, when I called the office of the director of national intelligence for this story on three successive days, a number of phone calls as well as an email, I could get no response whatsoever from them, and it's very clear they were refusing to talk to me about this. So this is the first clue that this was in fact a White House product in the end. But the White House had the final say over what was included in the product and not the director of national intelligence, not the CIA director or any of the other top officials of the intelligence community.
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Some in US Intel. Community Reject Obama Admin Case for Syria Attack
Pt 1: Gareth Porter: US Intelligence on Syria "cherry-picked" by proponents of proposed strike
September 10, 13
VIDEO AND TRANSCRIPT
Guest Bio:
Gareth Porter is a historian and investigative journalist on US foreign and military policy analyst. He writes regularly for Inter Press Service on US policy towards Iraq and Iran. Author of four books, the latest of which is Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam.
JAISAL NOOR, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Jaisal Noor in Baltimore. And welcome to this latest edition of The Porter Report.
As the Obama administration continues to outline its case for attacking Syria, new revelations have come to light that call into question the very intelligence the White House is using to justify its actions.
Now joining us to discuss this is Gareth Porter. He's a historian and investigative journalist on U.S. foreign and military policy. He writes regularly for the Inter Press Service, and he received the U.K.-based Gellhorn Prize for Journalism in 2011 for his articles on the U.S. war in Afghanistan. His new piece published today in IPS is "Obama's Case for Syria Didn't Reflect Intel Consensus".
Thank you so much for joining us, Gareth.
GARETH PORTER, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Thank you, Jaisal.
NOOR: So, Gareth, what do you know and how do you know it?
PORTER: Well, we know that there's a problem with the way in which the intelligence paper that the White House issued August 30 has been described, for a number of reasons. The thing that--the tipoff that should have alerted me and many others but which I and others missed is the fact that this paper about the intelligence on the Syrian chemical weapons attack or alleged attack of August 21 has been called by the White House, labeled a U.S. government assessment.
Now, that raises very fundamental question: why would the White House call a paper that's supposed to represent the intelligence community's perspective or their analysis of this intelligence a U.S. government assessment? And that is a tipoff that in fact this was not a paper that was put forward by the intelligence community itself and then simply released by the White House. It was a paper that went through a process which did involve the intelligence community, no doubt about that. They undoubtedly submitted their analyses, various intelligence agencies, the CIA, the DIA, and the 14 others, to the office of the director of national intelligence, James Clapper. There was a press report a couple of days, I think three days before the release of this paper indicating that the plan was that Clapper would be the person who would be the alleged author or the person whose name would be on this paper. But in fact his name is nowhere to be found. And I found from a very careful search of the website of the office of the director of national intelligence that it's nowhere to be found there either. It's only found on the White House website itself.
And incidentally, when I called the office of the director of national intelligence for this story on three successive days, a number of phone calls as well as an email, I could get no response whatsoever from them, and it's very clear they were refusing to talk to me about this. So this is the first clue that this was in fact a White House product in the end. But the White House had the final say over what was included in the product and not the director of national intelligence, not the CIA director or any of the other top officials of the intelligence community.
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U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials to Obama: “Assad NOT Responsible for Chemical Attack” [View all]
Catherina
Sep 2013
OP
Once again you blindly pin what little credibility you have to the administration line
whatchamacallit
Sep 2013
#9
+1. Agreed. They have already come to terms with killing each other. So tricking
GoneFishin
Sep 2013
#140
The CIA Takes Orders from the Same Billionaires which Staffs the State Dept
HumansAndResources
Sep 2013
#191
"but that any potential military attack against it should wait for a U.N. inspectors’ report."
ProSense
Sep 2013
#28
True, but only in that PS sticks to a specific subset of verifiable facts
mindwalker_i
Sep 2013
#143
+10000000 -- plenty of time for blind partisanship during campaign season.
nashville_brook
Sep 2013
#213
Politicians answer to the CIA and the NSA and the 16 other "intelligence Organizaions" that
iemitsu
Sep 2013
#155
Historically, V.I.P.S. has demonstrated great integrity and collectively deserves the utmost respect
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2013
#114
9/10- Gareth Porter: Some in US Intel. Community Reject Obama Admin Case for Syria Attack (part 1)
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2013
#236
It's not unplausible. But I have come to suspect that he leans that way already after
GoneFishin
Sep 2013
#142
It's lucky for PBO that he has decent people trying to stop him from this ill advised war
MNBrewer
Sep 2013
#5
Decent people? Larry Johnson did the "whitey tape" bullshit about Michelle Obama.
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#113
I would work with Ron Paul to keep us out of war. I would work with RAND Paul to do the same thing
MNBrewer
Sep 2013
#69
"Without corroboration, it's meaningless"? Where's the corroboration that you were in intelligence?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#96
I surmise their recent experience is likely better than 30 years more recent than yours.
rug
Sep 2013
#141
and of course they severe all ties with former coworkers and have zero inside connections..
frylock
Sep 2013
#53
Props and Kudo's to you MineralMan, trust me when I say I understand.
Rebellious Republican
Sep 2013
#73
You were a peon. Peons as we all well know have different rules and access than the bosses.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#99
If you didn't care you wouldn't have made the statement and continued to argue it.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#125
Nonsense. I'm willing to beleive that your experience in the intelligence business has no relevance
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#85
How are you in a position to judge what they know vs. what Obama knows? nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#188
Hang the facts, hang reason, hang legality: the RW PNAC agenda must move ahead at all cost
indepat
Sep 2013
#22
This entire article boils down to 3 meager paragraphs containing not one fact, no evidence.
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#24
Barbara Lee, who was the only member of Congress to Vote against the Afghanistan War Authorization
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2013
#35
Or like the Iranians "Gassed Themselves" - or So We Were Told When The USA Was Backing Saddam
HumansAndResources
Sep 2013
#192
And if this is legit, why didn't the signers send their letter to major national media sources?
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#38
Or the Boston Globe, the Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, the Seattle Times or any number
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#131
and none of that matters to me. what matters is the accuracy of this group in past..
frylock
Sep 2013
#132
Puh-leeze...the WP and the other "papers of record" don't want to vet the letter
Raksha
Sep 2013
#145
But I thought who did it didn't matter. They want their damn war and, by god, they'll it
valerief
Sep 2013
#37
Oh, I think that Assad's forces did it. The evidence for it appears much stronger than this
cali
Sep 2013
#44
What the hell do you mean, " . . . draw the US into a battle against them?"
another_liberal
Sep 2013
#72
Whatever Senator Kerry had access to before the Iraq War started was useless
David Krout
Sep 2013
#75
Kerry also seemed to forget what bringing down the strongman Saddam Hussein
amandabeech
Sep 2013
#147
Did the 12 people who sign this statement have to do with the 'Whitey' tape?
David Krout
Sep 2013
#80
Instead they're persisting. Grayson and Amash not impressed with their bogus intel
Catherina
Sep 2013
#78
Islamist factions among the rebels have already said they have chemical weapons.
another_liberal
Sep 2013
#149
Would all respondents to this OP who believe 9/11 was an inside job please step forward?
Flatulo
Sep 2013
#83
The link say that they are the one who make that statement...but I cannot found a single
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#107
Your use of a double negative is suspicious. What nation do you represent? nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#184
That sentence doesnt even make sense. Are you having trouble translating? What is
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#187
Oh right, I remember you, you are the one who do not succeed about one of my video...
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#189
What is your first language. Your sentences dont make any sense. You seem to be
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#190
Since you don't have any source to back this frauds, I suppose that you don't have Internet ? Nt
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#230
Whoo-hoo! Now we know what 9/11 Truthers and Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson have to say!
Bolo Boffin
Sep 2013
#103
Larry Johnson previously claimed he had a tape of Michelle Obama saying "whitey"
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#105
Its a forgery : No, any U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials are saying that to Obama. Nt
Sand Wind
Sep 2013
#110
Interesting that VIPS cites a mirror image of a US-Israeli-Jordanian op reported by DEBKA on 08/17
leveymg
Sep 2013
#133
Nor do I. But, that one was hard to ignore. Is this the .ru site you referenced? Still up.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#162
It's real. Ray McGovern has it up on his blog. Thomas Drake tweeted it out, so did Robert Parry.
Catherina
Sep 2013
#161
"A war the Pentagon doesn’t want" By Robert H. Scales, retired Army major general
Catherina
Sep 2013
#166
If there is a shadow of doubt .. then we've go no business bombing that country.
YOHABLO
Sep 2013
#171
Qaddafi did all those things right before he was toppled. keyword: humanitarian vulcans
nashville_brook
Sep 2013
#214
Obama to U.S. military and intelligence officials, and to us, SO WHAT?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#211
what officials? everybody on that list has (ret) or (former) after their name.
arely staircase
Sep 2013
#216
While I opposed bombing Syria, I can't see how these people's opinion is any different than
OregonBlue
Sep 2013
#218
if assad didn't do it, then he should have no problem giving up the chemical weapons he
ellenfl
Sep 2013
#235