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In reply to the discussion: Shout Out for the Vocal and principled Anti-WAR Left. [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)88. It is a political failure to request a war you do not get.
Sorry, but no amount of your babbling about game theory will change that.
Obama did not obtain public support for a strike. That's a failure. A happy one, but a failure.
Obama did not obtain Congressional support for a strike. That's another failure. Again, a good thing.
Of course he knew it might not go his way. But knowing it might not go his way doesn't mean it magically went his way.
And it's not a zero-sum game. If at the end, he pulls out a positive result like a non-violent compromise, it's a success. I've seen no one question that. Leaders adapt. They recognize when one door is closed, and look for another way out.
Like a compromise brokered by Russia.
But there is no way you're going to talk anyone on the planet into your idea that having the public and Congress both reject a proposal for war in Syria went according to plan. That was not the plan. The plan was not for America to tell Obama he could not have a war in Syria. That is not a plan that a politician makes.
What you need to do is reconcile yourself with the notion that it's okay for Obama to not always be in control. He is not a failed leader because he could not achieve war in Syria. He is a smart leader because he recognized that and (it appears so far) is willing to go another way.
Savor that. It reflects well on him. But the war thing was a fail. Sorry?
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"feeling like it" and it being a fact are two different things...we know your "gut" isn't reliable..
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#108
One does get the sense that if the UK had marched lock-step with the Administration
Maedhros
Sep 2013
#48
A happy K & R from a proud member of the PEACE-loving "fringe left majority." n/t
Raksha
Sep 2013
#10
This past week, the entire silent moral majority of the American public stood with
truedelphi
Sep 2013
#13
Kudos to those who said an attack even with Congressional approval is a war crime.
Coyotl
Sep 2013
#27
They didn't have the votes in the House,and perhaps not in the Senate. It's as simple as that,
leveymg
Sep 2013
#28
You assume that the dance was a solo, and all it took was threats by another dancer.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#142
Oh great another poster who signed up 5 years ago with almost NO posts chiming in
HangOnKids
Sep 2013
#73
So, lets say Obama didn't get the deal done with Russia and Syria wrt the chemical weapons.
Old and In the Way
Sep 2013
#40
I supported Congressman Doggett (Austin) in opposing the anticipated bombing. k&R.
Eleanors38
Sep 2013
#59
What's sad is if Romney had won the entire media would be talking about his "strength" in bombing.
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2013
#89
Michelle Obama told him ''no'' or else he was sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom alone!
YOHABLO
Sep 2013
#128
The POTUS war powers needs to be revoked. We can't have a POTUS commiting acts of war on his own.
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#130
only because most American's these days are either nutty fringe leftist or crackpot libertarian
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#135