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nadinbrzezinski

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32. When papers are declassified fifty years from now

Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:53 PM

Sep 2013

(perhaps), and historians are able to pour over the whole bloody mess, I am willing to bet that there was a lot of unplanned in this, assuming we still avoid war.

My evidence to this, the POTUS team had to rewrite the speech. Yup, that was reported on twitter by WH correspondents. It tells me that they were all but planning on Russia being "the good guy" in this case. Putin just got the atta boy award of the week. In international relations that is something world powers hate.

Go read a recent history of the Cuban Missile crisis, now that all those documents were released. Something similar is at play here, even if the stakes are probably lower.

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Will it turn out that Kerry/Obama played 3D chess on Syria or that Putin pulled us back from war? [View all] yurbud Sep 2013 OP

Well, it really doesn't matter to me as long as it ends well. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1

+1. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #18

Didn't punk me.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #2

Me neither philosslayer Sep 2013 #29

I was "standing my ground" on DU! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #31

Obama and Kerry were ready to strike treestar Sep 2013 #3

They ALL play Military Contracts Wheel of Fortune leftstreet Sep 2013 #4

All options are open with these two great men. onehandle Sep 2013 #5

My vote would be all of the above. nt wandy Sep 2013 #6

Er, you can't have one without the other. Schema Thing Sep 2013 #7

It's obviously ingenious Democratic party strategy employed by Kerry and Obama. Warren/Grayson 2016. Zorra Sep 2013 #8

If they had actually gone to war, Republicans could have run as the anti-war party only six years yurbud Sep 2013 #10

Yep. Our clever Democratic Party leaders found a possible diplomatic resolution, Zorra Sep 2013 #11

Yes n/t Fumesucker Sep 2013 #9

I think it's even EC Sep 2013 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #13

Well, the answer is easy enough to discover. If Putin hadn't spoken up where would we be today? 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #14

that's a good way to put it. yurbud Sep 2013 #21

Life is never that binary, and diplomacy is full of a lot of surprising nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #15

I would be happy if that were the case yurbud Sep 2013 #22

When papers are declassified fifty years from now nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #32

For once, Congress rejected war kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #16

Actually people all over the world said NO MORE WAR! polichick Sep 2013 #17

+1 If we get through this without attacking Syria it will be thanks to the people SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #24

I just listened to a google hangout that Nickolas Kristoff and others had with Kerry karynnj Sep 2013 #19

It takes two to tango. nt bemildred Sep 2013 #20

but unique talent to get someone with a gun to your head to dance with you yurbud Sep 2013 #23

I get the feeling that you already have an opinion about this? nt bemildred Sep 2013 #26

I think I laid it out in the OP, but I'm willing to be persuaded. yurbud Sep 2013 #30

Some of each. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #25

Could it be possible to be a few different things? Rex Sep 2013 #27

A little of both, and the British quinnox Sep 2013 #28

Definitely the former. Absolutely NO doubt about it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #33