In that case (Reply #80) - Democratic Underground

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Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:51 PM

RainDog (28,784 posts)

80. In that case

The unitary executive would not have been dealt a blow.

In fact, it would've been revivified.

Maybe Obama expected people to object to the use of force w/o congress putting themselves on the line for such decisions. It's pretty predictable that certain factions will immediately assume the "no attack" side of the issue from both democratic and republican sides of the aisle - and both sides will have those who go along with such attacks.

I don't participate in these DU fights - but both sides will spin it to continue to support the position they held before the outcome was known. At least that's what it looks like to me.

Personally, diplomacy seems like the better option whenever possible - because that's where all sides will end up anyway. Why not take some of the horror out of the process?

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That was pretty goddamned incoherent, frankly. [View all]	WilliamPitt	Sep 2013	OP
It was disorienting to say the least...	PrestonLocke	Sep 2013	#1
I'm cutting him a lot of slack - he has to play all sides right now	reformist2	Sep 2013	#372
"We won't be sure of his true intentions until all this is over"	MNBrewer	Sep 2013	#385
You sir, are correct. I mean you are not wrong.	Safetykitten	Sep 2013	#2
Summary: "Assad, I'm not bluffing. Take the deal."	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#3
Exactly.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#18
And the less obvious sub point ... there for those paying attention ...	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#27
Yeah, that was pretty impressive, too.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#37
Obama expected the American people to back him.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#50
I don't think so.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#63
After the Shit that W pulled,	Mr.Bill	Sep 2013	#92
+1	davidwparker	Sep 2013	#288
Five years between Vietnam and Reagan's election "to make America strong again"	bananas	Sep 2013	#369
The correct position?	former9thward	Sep 2013	#97
That is a bold faced lie. 90% is destroyed.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#108
I expect you will be making excuses in 2023.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#121
We have 365 tons of Sarin + VX and 500 tons of mustard gas.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#143
You are an apologist for American bullying.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#210
They have to build facilities.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#214
So they built facilities for 90% of it	former9thward	Sep 2013	#423
Bush cut the funding for 8 years!	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#510
US on the right side of this issue?	former9thward	Sep 2013	#520
Rachel was just talking about this. The US HAS destroyed nearly all its stockpiles.	Hekate	Sep 2013	#237
Ohh and that building is going to take at least 10 years to build.....	former9thward	Sep 2013	#420
go ahead. tell me I'm an apologist for American bullying.	cali	Sep 2013	#394
Ignorance is bliss	heaven05	Sep 2013	#411
some people are so mad at the country for various things they'll be in denial about stuff like this.	dionysus	Sep 2013	#422
And some people have facts.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#425
^ proves my point	dionysus	Sep 2013	#427
not something in your possession in this case. n/t	cali	Sep 2013	#435
Another chemical weapon expert on DU!	former9thward	Sep 2013	#424
Please Read this Article on the Storage of Chemical Weapons.	CherokeeDem	Sep 2013	#405
So a MIC jobs program!	former9thward	Sep 2013	#426
I suspect....	CherokeeDem	Sep 2013	#439
Please explain why it was not complex to destroy 90% of the stockpile...	former9thward	Sep 2013	#443
Although I am a scientist by education...	CherokeeDem	Sep 2013	#451
Thank you for your comments.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#456
I take nothing at face value...	CherokeeDem	Sep 2013	#462
Good Article	Gothmog	Sep 2013	#449
Wow this is good to hear.	felix_numinous	Sep 2013	#499
Interesting, this aspect.	Smarmie Doofus	Sep 2013	#138
Not the UN, it's a separate entity cooperating with the UN.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#153
I agree with you.	Cheviteau	Sep 2013	#403
So what's the shelf life of some of these chemical weapons?	YOHABLO	Sep 2013	#232
Sarin, mixed, very short. Mustard gas, very long.	HooptieWagon	Sep 2013	#249
The stuff we gave Saddam had a maximum shelf life of 8 to 10 years.	RC	Sep 2013	#252
Yeah, Saddam buried his stuff.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#272
He also did destroy most of it.	RC	Sep 2013	#280
If I remember correctly, he agreed to allow the UN inspectors back in...	Blanks	Sep 2013	#389
Actually, the decision was made well before that.	RC	Sep 2013	#407
Of course you're right on the timeline...	Blanks	Sep 2013	#438
PNAC also targeted Syria.	bvar22	Sep 2013	#452
check this out	Skittles	Sep 2013	#344
Seen it.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#345
what were they saying about Putin when Snowden.....	Skittles	Sep 2013	#346
I state only facts.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#347
hey, I hear you	Skittles	Sep 2013	#348
Oh, OK, Russia is already against a UN plan:	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#349
the plot thickens	Skittles	Sep 2013	#350
+1,000 nt	MADem	Sep 2013	#442
"I state only facts," you say, just before blaming Russia for all of Syria's dead.	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2013	#460
Had Assad gone the Bahrain route there would be no civil war.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#509
In that case	RainDog	Sep 2013	#80
Why would he expect that? Explain that arguement please.	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#86
He said so.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#104
I asked WHY he would expect the American people to support it.	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#117
He was bluffing.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#128
Congress has a lower approval than VD....	MADem	Sep 2013	#445
He also said he needs Congressional backing.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#122
He never said that at the beginning.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#136
And he never said he doesn't have the power to act unilaterally.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#162
So how is that a rejection of the Unitary Executive doctrine? nt	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#178
Because he said he'll listen to Congress.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#185
Sorry joshcryer but I'm just not seeing it.	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#197
No President would ever do that.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#200
I agree with you that no president would do that.	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#216
The NFL?	mimi85	Sep 2013	#269
You cannot be serious...	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#106
Yet another person who does not follow the news.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#191
I don't?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#198
So you are saying the American people backed him?	former9thward	Sep 2013	#204
No...did I say that?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#207
Every post you make, makes a little less sense.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#212
I think Vanilla Rhapsody	mimi85	Sep 2013	#279
There is generally a good precedent that you let them know that all options are on the table	CAG	Sep 2013	#192
And Obama is the "everything's on the table" President.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#195
Yes, funny thing is........	George II	Sep 2013	#231
I think it is very strange that...	Ferretherder	Sep 2013	#294
^ THIS ^	mac56	Sep 2013	#410
Thank you, my friend...	Ferretherder	Sep 2013	#504
During a GOP Presidential Debate,	cynzke	Sep 2013	#458
EXACTLY!	Ferretherder	Sep 2013	#505
I love you	LukeFL	Sep 2013	#43
Oh puke!!!	U4ikLefty	Sep 2013	#66
Lol!	Jamastiene	Sep 2013	#170
A little too obvious with that one...	WorseBeforeBetter	Sep 2013	#413
What I can't agree with my fellow DUer?	LukeFL	Sep 2013	#519
You noticed the Unitary Executive thing, too? He was directly referencing the Youngstown decision,	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#76
Bingo. nt	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#96
That it went right over the head of the OP is understandable, but regrettable. He did something	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#101
WTF?	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#87
You are unfamiliar with the Youngstown decision? nt	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#111
No, I'm familiar with Youngstown.	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#139
When he said that he had the authority to act, but believed that this authority was	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#149
I disagree.	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#156
We will have to agree to disagree. nnt	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#164
Agreed!	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#169
That's the second time I've heard that from his lips: Unitary Executive, GOP wetdream since Nixon...	Hekate	Sep 2013	#234
Yes, it's so important to read between the lines to really understand this president.	gtar100	Sep 2013	#365
Exactly	LukeFL	Sep 2013	#35
Obama needs this deal as much as al-Assad.	Hell Hath No Fury	Sep 2013	#42
Assad needs it WAY more.	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#58
al-Assad could have taken the military hit.	Hell Hath No Fury	Sep 2013	#114
He lost on the strike. TWICE. Obama's stuck.	DirkGently	Sep 2013	#160
And ONLY to public pressure.	Beer Swiller	Sep 2013	#227
"dick-waving macho "don't call me a wus, Bill Clinton," crap?"	brush	Sep 2013	#395
Exactly.	somethingshiny	Sep 2013	#415
Pootie desperately needs the situation to be status quo ante bellum or he's out a small fortune.	MADem	Sep 2013	#213
Obama's in a box now. But he's handling it.	DirkGently	Sep 2013	#118
I think everyone will be happy -	Hell Hath No Fury	Sep 2013	#152
My thoughts also	brush	Sep 2013	#391
That's it. Pretty clear to me, too. Not at all "incoherent." nt	MADem	Sep 2013	#64
When he started talking about 'pinpricks'	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#475
He didn't lose me. There was a method and a reason in every word he uttered.	MADem	Sep 2013	#477
He needs to stop reacting to their idiocy	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#485
He's not reacting, he's just acknowledging their existence.	MADem	Sep 2013	#521
He is reacting to their idiotic statements	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#522
How do you legitimize stupidity?	MADem	Sep 2013	#523
By reacting to it as if it is legitimate	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#524
There was no drama in Obama's brief remark. You're trying to create some, though, and I'm	MADem	Sep 2013	#525
That is rediculous	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#527
It is not "ridiculous."	MADem	Sep 2013	#528
You are claiming that the Tea Party are Obamas constituents?	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#529
I hate to tell you this, but even the KKK and those Stormfront nuts are Obama's constituents.	MADem	Sep 2013	#530
Oh, so they have his ear too?	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#532
Now you're just being combative, obtuse, and offensive.	MADem	Sep 2013	#533
I'm stating fact	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#534
You apparently don't understand, won't grasp what I am saying, and I'm tired of arguing with you.	MADem	Sep 2013	#535
I know exactly what you are saying	AgingAmerican	Sep 2013	#536
That's what I thought!	graywarrior	Sep 2013	#109
That's what I heard.	mountain grammy	Sep 2013	#133
I heard that too: Not bluffing, but giving peace a chance.	Hekate	Sep 2013	#229
You really believe this deal was Obama's idea.	Beer Swiller	Sep 2013	#262
Touché!	Carolina	Sep 2013	#296
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Sep 2013	#490
Awesome post! +1	beerandjesus	Sep 2013	#390
So Putin gave Snowden asylum as a way to give the finger to the US	Number23	Sep 2013	#432
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Sep 2013	#489
I take great comfort in the knowledge that the number of people that think that Putin	Number23	Sep 2013	#495
I agree with everything you said...until the very last line.	arewenotdemo	Sep 2013	#440
Assad, I'm not bluffing, you know how much money we'll make off WWIII :)	grahamhgreen	Sep 2013	#270
I need some ketchup for my crow. nt	awoke_in_2003	Sep 2013	#466
Military strikes in national security interest of the US. Make my children safer.	The Link	Sep 2013	#4
This message was self-deleted by its author	Awknid	Sep 2013	#48
Dubya explained all this some years back. We gotta kill them	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#243
It reflects the confused situation of today	quinnox	Sep 2013	#5
Not only was it incoherent, I had the impression that the President knew it.	winter is coming	Sep 2013	#6
100% correct Mr. Pitt	Crimson76	Sep 2013	#7
tell you you're wrong? I THINK YOU ARE WRONG.	trueblue2007	Sep 2013	#8
Like the ones killled by our own drones?	Hell Hath No Fury	Sep 2013	#45
Yes. In Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Libya. Now we need to	Luminous Animal	Sep 2013	#46
I liked his speech too but,	Politicalboi	Sep 2013	#69
The children we kill won't be wreathing in pain	golfguru	Sep 2013	#266
I hope you are kidding. nt	Democracyinkind	Sep 2013	#363
Yes, and I hope you noticed my sarcasm tag. n/t	golfguru	Sep 2013	#448
Flying body parts are better than asphyxiation.	jsr	Sep 2013	#293
The haters are mad there will be no US attack on Syria	Cali_Democrat	Sep 2013	#9
He was supposed to announce that SHOCK and AWE #2 had started.	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#34
No confusion.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#61
Then why would Russia try to help with some deal?	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#72
Russia looks like a peacemaker to the world.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#98
Except no one in the world believes that, no one.	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#127
You are not the world.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#132
Only America haters think that	dbackjon	Sep 2013	#258
Yeah, America love it or leave it!!!	former9thward	Sep 2013	#418
+1,000 nt	MADem	Sep 2013	#159
I am ONE - maybe the only one? "America looks like a warmonger" . . . damm straight.	ConcernedCanuk	Sep 2013	#357
Considering Russia is arming Assad	mythology	Sep 2013	#242
Pootie doesn't want the USA to target any piers in Tartus, that's the real bottom line.	MADem	Sep 2013	#267
America has lost the "long game" and the world knows it.	former9thward	Sep 2013	#417
Maybe	Eko	Sep 2013	#103
Because Russia knew Obama was not bluffing.	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#130
To keep Assad in power, which blocks the pipeline Russia doesnt want	DJ13	Sep 2013	#115
Strikes weren't intend to remove him from power.	JoePhilly	Sep 2013	#125
Mission creep began to mention regime change	DJ13	Sep 2013	#173
Um.....McCain isn't President nor does he speak for President Obama	Proud Liberal Dem	Sep 2013	#201
Go ahead	DJ13	Sep 2013	#206
The key words being:	Proud Liberal Dem	Sep 2013	#377
If there's not to be any attack on Syria...	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#39
PRESSURE!	LukeFL	Sep 2013	#49
If the President wants to apply pressure...	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#59
Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!	LukeFL	Sep 2013	#67
Well, I'm having a hard time understanding because frankly, it makes no sense.	Llewlladdwr	Sep 2013	#102
Shhh, they're too busy looking into his dreamy eyes	U4ikLefty	Sep 2013	#77
Gee--I thought his detractors were too busy critiquing his eyebrows ....	MADem	Sep 2013	#189
Bwahaha! Still trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! How many lost on popcorn stock?	freshwest	Sep 2013	#455
I don't think a lot of the detractors on this thread are going to like the home page today either...	MADem	Sep 2013	#457
Woot! Let me go take a peek and be back. Thanks, MADem!	freshwest	Sep 2013	#459
Actually no	iandhr	Sep 2013	#93
Applause!	LukeFL	Sep 2013	#180
PBO asked Congress in May. Guess what the focus was at DU then?	freshwest	Sep 2013	#479
Please get off that kick. It is asinine.	Jackpine Radical	Sep 2013	#54
+1,000 jackpine	suffragette	Sep 2013	#90
+1	sarcasmo	Sep 2013	#268
How far from reality must you be to even conceive of such a thing?	Cal Carpenter	Sep 2013	#140
Well said. Thank you. -The Sane	DisgustipatedinCA	Sep 2013	#292
That's pretty much what I was thinking. nt	laundry_queen	Sep 2013	#326
it's a sick suggestion and that indicates what kind of a brain comes up	cali	Sep 2013	#396
Oh stop that.	NuclearDem	Sep 2013	#182
Excellent	Carolina	Sep 2013	#264
^^^This post is right on target^^^	DisgustipatedinCA	Sep 2013	#297
You have learned something	CountAllVotes	Sep 2013	#433
+1000	burnsei sensei	Sep 2013	#484
I don't need anything related to Syria to bash Obama.	Tiredofthesame	Sep 2013	#211
People who feared Persian Gulf War III (if not WW III) are "haters"?	Peace Patriot	Sep 2013	#218
"It's a TINDERBOX."	arewenotdemo	Sep 2013	#450
Right-Wing Media's Love Affair With Putin Continues Over Syria Weapons Proposal	freshwest	Sep 2013	#290
This is a complete non sequitor but I truly needed	snagglepuss	Sep 2013	#441
You're welcome. Apply liberally as needed!	freshwest	Sep 2013	#470
If you start with "The haters..." you have conceded you have no argument.	morningfog	Sep 2013	#313
What about if someone calls me a cultist?	Cali_Democrat	Sep 2013	#327
What an assholish comment.	beerandjesus	Sep 2013	#393
that's the most insane thing i've read here in a long while	noiretextatique	Sep 2013	#488
No, you're not wrong. You pretty much summed it up.	forestpath	Sep 2013	#10
I dont think he even really neede to give the speech..unless we were bombing tomorrow	NightWatcher	Sep 2013	#11
It was scheduled on the eve of the Senate vote, and I believe it was originally intended	winter is coming	Sep 2013	#60
I missed it, but assumed it would be	whatchamacallit	Sep 2013	#12
Yep, that would be my call too.	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#245
I'm with you	tom_kelly	Sep 2013	#13
It was an awful speech that focused more on bombing than diplomacy	Bjorn Against	Sep 2013	#14
It was pretty damn simple, actually.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#15
The whole world was watching or listening. Every word was deliberate and had purpose.	NYC_SKP	Sep 2013	#16
Well said. But still, some miss 'the beloved pair' running the country:	freshwest	Sep 2013	#472
Transcript, for those inclined to read it	struggle4progress	Sep 2013	#17
Words. Me. Am. Not. Able. To. Read.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#23
Yeah, that's about right. n/t	cigsandcoffee	Sep 2013	#19
Chris Hayes nailed the fundamental contradiction.	DirkGently	Sep 2013	#20
Yes, he did nail it, as usual.	winter is coming	Sep 2013	#26
Best way I've ever heard it put.	1awake	Sep 2013	#123
I give you permission to quote Chris Hayes!	DirkGently	Sep 2013	#135
ha... yea i know, but you caught it not me so... thanks! n/t	1awake	Sep 2013	#150
This needs to be its own post! Thanks! n-t	Logical	Sep 2013	#220
+1,00000000000000000000000	grahamhgreen	Sep 2013	#273
Excellent description.	jsr	Sep 2013	#304
THAT as the BIG one.	avaistheone1	Sep 2013	#319
Bang on.	snagglepuss	Sep 2013	#444
I think he is setting up the 'diplomacy' for failure	merbex	Sep 2013	#21
No, actually he is setting up Assad and Congress	quaker bill	Sep 2013	#166
Pul-eeze...He nailed it !!	jessie04	Sep 2013	#22
Can You Cram A Few More Cliches In Your Post?	HangOnKids	Sep 2013	#311
You aren't wrong, Will.	In_The_Wind	Sep 2013	#24
That's pretty much what I heard, too.	Arkansas Granny	Sep 2013	#25
I heard the man ask for some time to continue to pursue a diplomatic solution to completion.	Skidmore	Sep 2013	#28
don't talk about balls, Will. nor incoherence.	Whisp	Sep 2013	#29
The glory days are no more, and peace is bor-ring. Speaking of the rule of balls:	freshwest	Sep 2013	#474
Betty White has something to say about 'balls'.	Whisp	Sep 2013	#476
Yes, you are totally correct.	RebelOne	Sep 2013	#30
I think you're wrong.	Avalux	Sep 2013	#31
But he certainly reminded us he can take action if he choses.	snappyturtle	Sep 2013	#53
You're embarrassing yourself at this point.	DevonRex	Sep 2013	#32
This message was self-deleted by its author	DisgustipatedinCA	Sep 2013	#305
Yeah, I apologize for that.	DevonRex	Sep 2013	#310
Thanks.	DisgustipatedinCA	Sep 2013	#316
You're welcome.	DevonRex	Sep 2013	#322
+1	tallahasseedem	Sep 2013	#421
You are wrong.	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2013	#33
Some posters on this site know only one gear. And they crank that gear right into a tree. nt	bluestate10	Sep 2013	#506
It made perfect sense	johnd83	Sep 2013	#36
I agree. I understood what the President was doing. Diplomacy with a big stick at the ready	bluestate10	Sep 2013	#507
Can't believe you don't know him yet	LukeFL	Sep 2013	#38
cut and paste rewrite....	Junkdrawer	Sep 2013	#40
OK: YOU'RE WRONG.	jazzimov	Sep 2013	#41
It was perfectly clear to me.	phleshdef	Sep 2013	#44
It was perfectly clear if you didnt have your fingers in your ears going	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#190
-1,000,000	Laura PourMeADrink	Sep 2013	#511
Looks like one of the la la la group has chimed in	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#512
Ha...looks like the one who almost got blocked today who people say is rude ALL	Laura PourMeADrink	Sep 2013	#513
blocked?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#517
Thanks for the summary version. I wasn't about to sit through the whole thing.	BlueStreak	Sep 2013	#47
Of course not...	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#193
I give him credit for the good things that he has done.	BlueStreak	Sep 2013	#221
that made me laugh out loud...	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#223
I flipped through the first 15, and all of them	BlueStreak	Sep 2013	#238
No you didn't say...you said NOTHING.	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#244
I said "I give him credit for the good things that he has done."	BlueStreak	Sep 2013	#257
No it has NOT.... where the hell do you people get this stuff?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2013	#263
so good to hear someone acknowledge that.	bigtree	Sep 2013	#51
Sorry, but you're wrong. It was pretty succinct to me. n/t	Darkhawk32	Sep 2013	#52
1745 Dimensional Chess	NoOneMan	Sep 2013	#55
....	davidpdx	Sep 2013	#158
He's an embarrassment	Shampoobra	Sep 2013	#56
Freshly Painted Eyebrows?	otohara	Sep 2013	#94
Sorry, that wasn't very clear	Shampoobra	Sep 2013	#199
Black POTUS Has Always Had Black Eyebrows	otohara	Sep 2013	#224
Your links show that they weren't, as I had thought, "freshly painted"	Shampoobra	Sep 2013	#255
Very weird observation. Reagan dyed his whole head at 80+ and PBO is going gray at 50-something	Hekate	Sep 2013	#228
It's That Bad Here At DU	otohara	Sep 2013	#265
I was feeling low down after reading all the fighting	Enthusiast	Sep 2013	#341
What's most disheartening is we are wasting so much time and effort on this	Snake Plissken	Sep 2013	#57
+1000	forestpath	Sep 2013	#75
+1000!!! This endless bullshit in the middle east decade	RKP5637	Sep 2013	#202
Oil and Israel, it is what's for dinner... forever.	harun	Sep 2013	#217
We have become the Middle East's	CountAllVotes	Sep 2013	#431
Well, I think you're wrong, but you're looking for approval here, so I'll leave it at that.	MADem	Sep 2013	#62
LOL! n/t	ProSense	Sep 2013	#68
I couldn't help myself....	MADem	Sep 2013	#112
"He never said 'I want to attack.' You should listen more closely."	WilliamPitt	Sep 2013	#79
Not the same as "I WANT TO ATTACK" ..... genius.	MADem	Sep 2013	#119
"There is a contingent who love to see him fail and hate to see him win."	ProSense	Sep 2013	#157
I saw that utter mess....and I just walked away.	MADem	Sep 2013	#171
I don't think Pitt has hair...	Whisp	Sep 2013	#253
Here he is begging for money..........	4bucksagallon	Sep 2013	#331
This video	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#353
Someone said he had no hair......	4bucksagallon	Sep 2013	#356
My "beef"	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#358
So you and a maybe a couple hundred others are members of his "fan club" big deal.	4bucksagallon	Sep 2013	#366
Summer hathaway is right: you ought to delete this.	Raine1967	Sep 2013	#388
Your reading comprehension	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#482
That's pretty asinine. Those of us calling you out all disagree with the OP....	Hekate	Sep 2013	#531
+ a million, Summer. I 100% agree with MADem that this OP is nothing but a Will Pitt "look at me!!"	Number23	Sep 2013	#434
I'm with you and MADem on the OP	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#483
Naw, he nailed it.	bravenak	Sep 2013	#65
Help me out here, what exactly is 'it'?	Snake Plissken	Sep 2013	#81
Making the case against chemical weapons.	bravenak	Sep 2013	#126
We are going to buy Assad's cooperation, just like we always do and call it a 'diplomatic solution'	Snake Plissken	Sep 2013	#161
I don't remember him saying that.	bravenak	Sep 2013	#179
Russia is nothing but the broker of this deal,	Snake Plissken	Sep 2013	#196
No they aren't. They have a direct and DIRE interest in averting missile strikes.	MADem	Sep 2013	#256
That is a tiny port not capable of handling aircraft carriers, it's basically a re-supply depot	Snake Plissken	Sep 2013	#274
Excuse me? You need to KEEP UP with the latest, there, Snake....	MADem	Sep 2013	#286
Yes, Russia had a lot to lose. So they put the squeeze on Assad. What's so hard to understand?	freshwest	Sep 2013	#518
you are wrong. I'll tell you now instead of you waiting	Whisp	Sep 2013	#70
OUCH.	MADem	Sep 2013	#124
lol	orenbus	Sep 2013	#155
Jeez. Who the hell are you and what is that thing?	Hekate	Sep 2013	#278
That's Palpatine	Dash87	Sep 2013	#409
That's hilarious! n/t	DisgustipatedinCA	Sep 2013	#308
Could care less about this argument, but that picture made me LOL	Dash87	Sep 2013	#408
It's a malady of the those who have intelligence without wisdom: a tendency to jump to their	alcibiades_mystery	Sep 2013	#284
so...were we supposed to "do something" now?	nashville_brook	Sep 2013	#71
His eyes got a bit of a "glint" mentioning we don't do "Pinprick Strikes."	KoKo	Sep 2013	#73
Kindly explain this 'glint' you see in his eyes. I'm fascinated by this. nt	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#83
No you're not.	U4ikLefty	Sep 2013	#88
Yes--I am. On a batshit insane thread, I find the poster who sees a 'glint' in the President's	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#95
LOL! Glint Easwood talks to empty headed 101st Chairbornes.	Whisp	Sep 2013	#146
The we "don't do pinprick strikes" thing obviously refers to the fact that America has such an	arewenotdemo	Sep 2013	#454
I had no problem, following it at all.	quaker bill	Sep 2013	#74
I wish I could rec your post.	Avalux	Sep 2013	#89
What friggin' complexity?	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#240
^^^^THIS post makes this trainwreck of an OP worthwhile. I wish I could rec this post of yours.^^^^^	MADem	Sep 2013	#145
I just do what I can, when I can..	quaker bill	Sep 2013	#181
Thank you for this post.	JohnnyLib2	Sep 2013	#154
Best post of the thread. Craploads better than the OP. nt	msanthrope	Sep 2013	#205
Agreed. QB should make it an OP. n/t	FSogol	Sep 2013	#376
+1, Quaker Bill. See, all you people who wished you could Rec this, I just did! :-) nt	Hekate	Sep 2013	#271
Magnificent reply. Thanks for that.	Number23	Sep 2013	#436
I understood it perfectly	iandhr	Sep 2013	#78
I didn't listen to it myself	bhikkhu	Sep 2013	#82
The President has never taken the position we must act immediately	struggle4progress	Sep 2013	#131
Oh thank god.	noamnety	Sep 2013	#84
"he had no shame in explicitly identifying and defending American exceptionalism"	winter is coming	Sep 2013	#137
Did he actually mention American exceptionalism by name?	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#248
He ended by saying America is "exceptional."	noamnety	Sep 2013	#370
Ew-w-w.	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#493
..the exact word I was thinking of earlier today after reading....	Tikki	Sep 2013	#85
Sorry I disagree	Beaverhausen	Sep 2013	#91
"And a failure to stand against the use of chemical weapons would... embolden Iran" - Obama	grahamhgreen	Sep 2013	#99
I thought it was a short speech without much substance.	Mr.Bill	Sep 2013	#100
Hey, we want you to stop using chemical weapons while	tsuki	Sep 2013	#105
Gobbledygook is what I heard also but.......	Little Star	Sep 2013	#107
Yeah, cuz you expected, what, exactly?	Old and In the Way	Sep 2013	#110
+1,000 nt	MADem	Sep 2013	#184
I felt like it was Bush talking and I really hated that feeling	Generic Other	Sep 2013	#113
Bush talking? Hell, it wasn't that incoherent.	winter is coming	Sep 2013	#142
LOL. True enough	Generic Other	Sep 2013	#188
Agree with you	Carolina	Sep 2013	#287
You are wrong.	rury	Sep 2013	#116
I think it reflects the fuzziness of the situation.	BlueCheese	Sep 2013	#120
As it was put up thread...	1awake	Sep 2013	#129
The one thing the President got wrong was suggesting that the 'Right' support our military	Snake Plissken	Sep 2013	#134
The POTUS IS CONFUSED.	rsmith6621	Sep 2013	#141
he is not conused at all	quaker bill	Sep 2013	#194
He is in no way, shape, or form confused.	Tiredofthesame	Sep 2013	#226
"Tell me I'm wrong". Okay you're wrong. nt	4bucksagallon	Sep 2013	#144
Oh my...indeed! eom	Purveyor	Sep 2013	#147
Was a little mixed . . .	another_liberal	Sep 2013	#148
He wants to attack them, but his buddy, Putin,	Jamastiene	Sep 2013	#151
Obama got himself suckered into a schoolyard standoff	King_Klonopin	Sep 2013	#359
He doesn't have a clue	LittleBlue	Sep 2013	#163
And let's not forget the reason he is 200 votes short in the House - 72% of all American voters	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#254
Exactly	LittleBlue	Sep 2013	#260
frankly william.....	chillfactor	Sep 2013	#165
It is this way from forcing the facts to agree with the narrative.	Rain Mcloud	Sep 2013	#167
Yeah	erpowers	Sep 2013	#168
I've sat through it twice, and it was poorly done.	Savannahmann	Sep 2013	#172
Thank you.	GeorgeGist	Sep 2013	#208
Thank you.	woo me with science	Sep 2013	#219
"vile propaganda cherry on top"	arewenotdemo	Sep 2013	#461
I read and re-read your post 3 times. Well done and thanks.	russspeakeasy	Sep 2013	#235
K&R	Carolina	Sep 2013	#291
Thanks You...	haikugal	Sep 2013	#330
Good post. nt	laundry_queen	Sep 2013	#337
That was very eloquent. Thank you. And it had totally	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#352
An anecdote about land mines...	Maedhros	Sep 2013	#486
May I offer you a friendly hump day	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#492
Thank you!	Maedhros	Sep 2013	#494
Spot on.	Celefin	Sep 2013	#361
Well said, thank you!	beerandjesus	Sep 2013	#397
marvellous, thoughtful post	Supersedeas	Sep 2013	#464
Thank you Savannahmann.	sibelian	Sep 2013	#481
I didn't watch,	crim son	Sep 2013	#174
+1	newfie11	Sep 2013	#175
No, it wasn't.	madamesilverspurs	Sep 2013	#176
I find	Whisp	Sep 2013	#177
That was campaign Obama	Marrah_G	Sep 2013	#183
Cue the hyperbole.	JaneyVee	Sep 2013	#186
They Call the Wind Maria	Whisp	Sep 2013	#187
LOL.	arewenotdemo	Sep 2013	#463
Why do you invite people	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#203
Gobldeygook (aside from being hard to spell)	fadedrose	Sep 2013	#209
Ha. It's incoherent to understand the desire to stop a dictator from gassing people? GEEZ nt	Laura PourMeADrink	Sep 2013	#215
Exactly what the Bush fan club said about Saddam	Doctor_J	Sep 2013	#225
Are you serious? Hardly the same. Bush and Cheney were lying and making shit	Laura PourMeADrink	Sep 2013	#282
Thats why they said it..	iamthebandfanman	Sep 2013	#355
And what about Kerry's claim that Syria's chemical weapons are a threat to the US?	Doctor_J	Sep 2013	#381
Why yes--coming from the head of a country that is the chief weapons supplier to the world	eridani	Sep 2013	#360
circumstances required an entire new speech and he seemed to keep half of the old one	carolinayellowdog	Sep 2013	#222
The situation is pretty fluid	LuckyTheDog	Sep 2013	#230
You have been so exactly right on the mark.	dkf	Sep 2013	#233
Did Obama write this speech?	kentuck	Sep 2013	#236
You Are a Fool	mrchips	Sep 2013	#239
+1 n/t	wisteria	Sep 2013	#247
Oh whatever.	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#261
Check The Profile	HangOnKids	Sep 2013	#317
Holocausts. Nazis. Must. Kill. Hitler.	jsr	Sep 2013	#301
Will is one of the "cool kids" who will lose his street cred if he ever admits he was wrong	scheming daemons	Sep 2013	#314
What is with the constant name calling? Other poster calls Will a fool, then you	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#416
I know who you are	Skittles	Sep 2013	#324
By that metric, I know of some Holocausts that you're ignoring... nt	Democracyinkind	Sep 2013	#364
I don't think it was as incoherent as all that. I think you're wrong on this one. nt	Hekate	Sep 2013	#241
One thing was clear...	The Midway Rebel	Sep 2013	#246
Yeah, it's clear we should watch them.	arewenotdemo	Sep 2013	#467
His worst speech that I can remember (n/t)	Ocelot	Sep 2013	#250
I had no problem following and understanding it.	wisteria	Sep 2013	#251
You are wrong	dbackjon	Sep 2013	#259
Barack rarely fails to kill it.	KamaAina	Sep 2013	#275
YOu aren't wrong, but we have to be less wrong than the republicans. Is this the way?	Mellow Drama	Sep 2013	#276
This train is never late.	cliffordu	Sep 2013	#277
I love the part where Assad is a threat, but	obxhead	Sep 2013	#281
Yes. Just like the US military "does not do pinpricks,"	woo me with science	Sep 2013	#298
pinprick < unbelievably small < Iraq	arewenotdemo	Sep 2013	#471
When the wall came down and the cold war ended I thought this world police shit would stop.	L0oniX	Sep 2013	#283
I stopped watching it after about 4 minutes.	davidwparker	Sep 2013	#285
You need to watch the whole thing.	Darkhawk32	Sep 2013	#300
It was muddled and pointless.	jsr	Sep 2013	#289
I didn't listen to it; I read it. And it seems coherent enough to me.	pnwmom	Sep 2013	#295
Yes Sir! You are wrong.	zwyziec	Sep 2013	#299
couldn't you just make an Obama is a poopy-head salad for the same results?	sigmasix	Sep 2013	#302
Just listened to it again	nadinbrzezinski	Sep 2013	#303
And for those promulgating the Master Chess Player Theory . . .	markpkessinger	Sep 2013	#306
Ahem.	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#325
A point made in another thread . . .	markpkessinger	Sep 2013	#328
How did Obama	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#332
OMG -- the delusion in this -- there are no words n/t	markpkessinger	Sep 2013	#333
If you are seriously suggesting . . .	markpkessinger	Sep 2013	#334
you might want to rephrase ... n/t	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#335
Indeed -- done. Thank you. n/t	markpkessinger	Sep 2013	#336
No prob.	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#340
Well, why don't you walk me through this	Summer Hathaway	Sep 2013	#339
"You know an enemy is committed when they move ammunition"	adirondacker	Sep 2013	#329
Hahaha, yes!	beerandjesus	Sep 2013	#398
Can't weigh in... had my own meeting...	MrMickeysMom	Sep 2013	#307
Aw, poop on that. You should read the transcript.	TwilightGardener	Sep 2013	#309
I have, it is just as bad.	avaistheone1	Sep 2013	#318
It was coherent to anyone with a triple digit IQ and no anti-Obama agenda	scheming daemons	Sep 2013	#312
No. He might not have said what you wanted to hear,	Waiting For Everyman	Sep 2013	#315
My fellow Americans, I need some some new speechwriters. Or at least a copyeditor to make sure part	avaistheone1	Sep 2013	#320
Hey Will, I think your Rec count is down a little	BootinUp	Sep 2013	#321
gobblygook	kardonb	Sep 2013	#323
And George Bush and his criminal administration are still not in damn jail!	Lint Head	Sep 2013	#338
K&R. Sounds like they're covering all the bases.	polly7	Sep 2013	#342
You're wrong.	Bolo Boffin	Sep 2013	#343
Your title sounds like something Newt Gingrich would say, with that "frankly" tick.	SunSeeker	Sep 2013	#351
No one expected it to please you, Will.	iamthebandfanman	Sep 2013	#354
His comment about his "friends on the left" was a real insult to us.	gtar100	Sep 2013	#362
yep	G_j	Sep 2013	#379
Like I've said before. we know who's really running the media and the gov't in this country	Roland99	Sep 2013	#387
Yet	TomClash	Sep 2013	#367
He should've led with the deal.	rucky	Sep 2013	#368
This message was self-deleted by its author	michigandem58	Sep 2013	#371
Only to those who have a brainlock that Obama is a warmonger.	DCBob	Sep 2013	#373
Yep! "Obey international norms, or we'll violate an international norm and blow your shit up."	backscatter712	Sep 2013	#374
If Obama farts it doesn't sound or smell right.	6000eliot	Sep 2013	#375
Ive been here a long time WP and this is the first time I disagree with you	Nightjock	Sep 2013	#378
He sounded a lot like somebody who had the opponent inside his loop and can't adjust	Lee-Lee	Sep 2013	#380
Worst speech of his Presidency.	99Forever	Sep 2013	#382
He should've had Bill Clinton write that speech for him -	TBF	Sep 2013	#383
interesting the level of discomfort	Nitram	Sep 2013	#384
You just don't understand 11-dimensional chess	Roland99	Sep 2013	#386
Here's where you're wrong.	Fuddnik	Sep 2013	#392
Please support this effort for peace. Donate now.	jsr	Sep 2013	#402
Really?	rtracey	Sep 2013	#399
First thing I said to my wife when it was over: "I don't really know what he just said!"	beerandjesus	Sep 2013	#400
He don't have any friends on the left anymore.	Fuddnik	Sep 2013	#401
You are not wrong.	LWolf	Sep 2013	#404
RE: Splicing some stuff about diplomacy into an already prepared pro-war speech at the last minute.	No DUplicitous DUpe	Sep 2013	#480
fear hate	stonecutter357	Sep 2013	#406
Hey stonecutter357, Librarian's are awesome people. They do have that nasty habit of saying shhh	Autumn	Sep 2013	#412
Just good ol fashion Dyslexia!	stonecutter357	Sep 2013	#465
It's all good. I found it funny, in 2nd grade our Librarian	Autumn	Sep 2013	#468
The President Makes The Case	ProSense	Sep 2013	#414
So what is your end game, WilliamPitt? What is the purpose of this post?	randome	Sep 2013	#419
you're wrong. you heard what you wanted to hear Will.	dionysus	Sep 2013	#428
nope	goatmilker	Sep 2013	#429
Yup	CountAllVotes	Sep 2013	#430
It was a perfectly coherent expression of hypocritical policies...	Orsino	Sep 2013	#437
Hear Hear. You absolutely nail it. nt	snagglepuss	Sep 2013	#446
He's got a better delivery than Bush.	Jester Messiah	Sep 2013	#447
I guess President Obama has never seen the photos of the DEAD BABIES...	bvar22	Sep 2013	#453
Or burns from the White Phosphorus we used in Fallujah	FiveGoodMen	Sep 2013	#473
Should have used the time to say: Syria looks like we can find a sollution.. so let me use this	glowing	Sep 2013	#469
Pretty god-damned incoherent RW gibberish always suck mightily	indepat	Sep 2013	#478
Pity you aren't President, eh?	MineralMan	Sep 2013	#487
Sad but true.	marble falls	Sep 2013	#491
Poll: 69% of Americans Viewed Obama’s Syria Speech Positively, 61% Favor His Approach	Tx4obama	Sep 2013	#496
I just watched it (I am always a day late)	Skittles	Sep 2013	#497
It reminded me of a Jerry Lewis	sulphurdunn	Sep 2013	#498
Noam Chomsky's commentary on Obama's Syria speech is important to hear	Catherina	Sep 2013	#500
"All things to all people."	malthaussen	Sep 2013	#501
I wish I could tell you that you were wrong...	kentuck	Sep 2013	#502
Thanks Kentuck	Laura PourMeADrink	Sep 2013	#515
Your hate runneth over n/t	michigandem58	Sep 2013	#503
I don't think he'll be showing his face here again.	Whisp	Sep 2013	#508
Amen to the Nth degree !! thanks MD58	Laura PourMeADrink	Sep 2013	#514
Wrong about Rove. Wrong about Ritter.	gulliver	Sep 2013	#516
You are wrong.	Rex	Sep 2013	#526

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