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DirkGently

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170. Would've been nice if he'd acknowledged that like Cameron did.

Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:58 PM

Sep 2013

Instead, he asked for more support for a strike that will somehow be both "unbelievably small" (Kerry) and yet, "not a pinprick."

Gibberish.

Scary thing now is, he's put himself in a political killbox, along with the rest of the party. The public rejected a unilateral strike. Congress is poised to reject giving its assent.

So now, the choices are

a) Make some kind of diplomatic solution work,

b) Respect the wishes of the American public and Congress and refrain from a strike, or

c) Strike completely unilaterally, and destroy his own credibility and put Democrats in a horrendously ugly position next time elections roll around.

On the upside, he's going to work HARD for diplomacy now, because it's the only real choice available.

Nice going, America. We play 12th-diimensional DEMOCRACY pretty well sometimes.

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Obama didn't stop the war on Syrians, WE DID. By we, I mean the peace advocates on this board, and [View all] grahamhgreen Sep 2013 OP

Can't argue... have been thinking the same thing SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #1

I can. Most were for isolationism, no pressure on Assad, no care about arms bans uhnope Sep 2013 #69

+1 SunSeeker Sep 2013 #93

"peace advocates" and appeasers were very hard to tell apart, furthermore. uhnope Sep 2013 #113

An appeaser is someone who gives known torturers a pardon. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #186

that would go in the ODS category uhnope Sep 2013 #221

+2 Sheepshank Sep 2013 #112

isolationism kardonb Sep 2013 #117

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #134

I'm afaid of this statement Putin put out this afternoon. snappyturtle Sep 2013 #138

FOX, RW & other Obama opponents are siding with Russia now. Forums here often the same uhnope Sep 2013 #144

I say.... cynzke Sep 2013 #210

+3 great white snark Sep 2013 #140

"Most were for isolationism," time for the bullshit flag. Who here was for "isolationism"? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #158

+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2013 #172

there have been plenty of isolationist sentimments. uhnope Sep 2013 #214

First of all, most here were against the bombing. Does that mean they were all rhett o rick Sep 2013 #216

I didn't say "all" I said "many" expressed isolationism and I stand by that and my other points uhnope Sep 2013 #220

As well as a strong sense of denialism. joshcryer Sep 2013 #159

I agree mythology Sep 2013 #162

let's not party untill they pry the 'I don't have/I didn't use poison gas' from Assads control Sunlei Sep 2013 #2

A hearty K&R, grahamhgreen! Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #3

Let's hope WE can make it stick! RiverStone Sep 2013 #4

"Blessed are the peacemakers." n/t Raksha Sep 2013 #66

Yes, it was people all over the world saying NO that influenced... polichick Sep 2013 #5

War on Syrians?? frazzled Sep 2013 #6

So we should get involved in every civil war on the planet? SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #18

Don't get cranky leftynyc Sep 2013 #24

There was never a proposal to become "involved" in the Syrian civil war frazzled Sep 2013 #31

No idea where you get arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #53

Your on the money. Good article. go west young man Sep 2013 #100

Waging war is not a uniquely American perview. Skidmore Sep 2013 #36

K & R Revlon10 Sep 2013 #188

What State of the United States is Syria in? another_liberal Sep 2013 #109

You opening a new chapter of the America First Committee? frazzled Sep 2013 #142

I've taught American history. another_liberal Sep 2013 #147

The question isn't who Hitler is, it's who Assad is. And the answer is: beerandjesus Sep 2013 #208

Assad couldn't play Hitler . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #236

+1 it seems "peace" just means peace for Americans nt treestar Sep 2013 #135

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #7

Right ON! Glad someone here stepped up and said it. ancianita Sep 2013 #8

YOU WILL NOT TAKE THIS AWAY FROM HIM Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #9

Who's hair is on fire? cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #11

Somehow, I don't think he minds bhikkhu Sep 2013 #168

He is not bowing to pressure and may yet still strike as Kerry said today The Straight Story Sep 2013 #10

Some of us suspect that the truedelphi Sep 2013 #44

Has Obama done so? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #47

If he had concerns about depleted uranium, Obama could have indicted Cheney and Rumsfeld truedelphi Sep 2013 #87

The granting of immunity to Bush and Cheney is a de facto conviction. LuvLoogie Sep 2013 #152

They said it would cause a civil war to impeach Nixon. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #157

Impeachment trials are not criminal trials LuvLoogie Sep 2013 #164

You can't shame those who have no shame Fumesucker Sep 2013 #191

Yeah, there's that. LuvLoogie Sep 2013 #192

The Civil War Redux has already started and it isnt between the D's and R's. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #199

A small correction: The STATED object is to stop Assad Raksha Sep 2013 #98

Only an idiot wouldn't bow to public pressure. DirkGently Sep 2013 #205

Bahahaha!! And now we get to it. Hey, don't feel bad. Time named you person of the year one time Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #12

Yeah, fuck the will of the people. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #19

Wow. What a pathetic post. ocpagu Sep 2013 #40

nobody's idolizing him. I'm mocking the OP for how petulant and attention-starved he sounded Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #41

You dare mock us, pretzel logic man:) HEHEHE... grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #55

Yes and some think that posting in American political forums is a great way to effect public opinion VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #178

Mocking the will of the people over the whims of the star struck. Jakes Progress Sep 2013 #89

Could you be any more fucking condescending? leftstreet Sep 2013 #82

I love it he was elected. I gave money,volunteered, and voted both times Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #83

Discussion is ineffectual and pointless. Only voting matters. Right? Ed Suspicious Sep 2013 #173

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #225

Bwahahaha !!! Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #13

Hey M_J drynberg Sep 2013 #155

No, if there was no credible threat Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #165

Has Assad already given up his weapons? golfguru Sep 2013 #179

He has admitted having them. That is the first step. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #195

Britain sold them to him Generic Other Sep 2013 #215

Any reputable link to verify that statement? Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #219

It sounds true to form Generic Other Sep 2013 #223

That is a "No,I have no reputable source to base that statement on". Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #227

I linked to DUs LBN Generic Other Sep 2013 #228

It doesn't look that way. This has been out there for ~4 days Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #230

google it Generic Other Sep 2013 #231

I did before responding to your first post Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #238

I don't have a point of view Generic Other Sep 2013 #239

If you make unfounded allegations you will be challenged on them. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #240

I am offended by anyone telling me to leave DU Generic Other Sep 2013 #242

Did activism and marching etc. work to prevent Iraq? mzmolly Sep 2013 #14

So now "peace advocates on this board" are responsible for Kerry's "gaffe"? ProSense Sep 2013 #15

Yes, correct! Safetykitten Sep 2013 #16

+1000 FirstLight Sep 2013 #17

I imagine for the next two months, there will be many groups claiming credit. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #20

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Sep 2013 #21

Peace? leftynyc Sep 2013 #22

I think the talks with Russia had a LITTLE something to do with it CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #23

I dont know what kind of world iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #60

Comparing a special ops mission to kill a renegade outlaw in a country not his own TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #95

We did our part... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #209

Considering the make up of the House loyalsister Sep 2013 #25

I guess for the RWNJ's Sheepshank Sep 2013 #232

Ha! loyalsister Sep 2013 #237

If we manage to prevent yet another military involvement eissa Sep 2013 #26

pray you don't get a fucking jackass in the WH who couldn't care less about human life (Bush) Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #35

Oh, believe me, I know exactly how lucky we are eissa Sep 2013 #50

Exactly! nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #101

disillusioned much madokie Sep 2013 #27

Obama went to Congress and didn't unilaterally attack Syria Rex Sep 2013 #81

Yup madokie Sep 2013 #110

In a indirect way I suppose Riftaxe Sep 2013 #28

I don't think he needed polls to think not many want another war. Whisp Sep 2013 #32

I am accusing him of being a politician Riftaxe Sep 2013 #34

he is a politician but certainly not near every single other one. Whisp Sep 2013 #37

Right, integrity.... Riftaxe Sep 2013 #243

heheh. Whisp Sep 2013 #29

5 star DUzy post!!! Love it. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #42

They held his feet to the fire. Don't you forget the 101st Chairborne. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #62

101st Chairborne. . . Whisp Sep 2013 #64

Very nice... johnd83 Sep 2013 #154

Here's their motto Generic Other Sep 2013 #211

+++ Whisp Sep 2013 #213

Not only do they actually pay attention to what people are saying, grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #71

hee hee. Whisp Sep 2013 #131

So, why do you post on DU if you don't think it's effective, LOL??? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #133

I don't believe a bunch of screaming out of controls are very effective Whisp Sep 2013 #136

You kind of inspired this whisp (along with msanthrope) Generic Other Sep 2013 #212

Yeah, it is funny. I first saw it used outing somebody who was ...... socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #141

I think Obama would have attacked if Russia didn't cave johnd83 Sep 2013 #153

This OP has to be one of the whiniest, most petulant things Number23 Sep 2013 #224

I agree. peace13 Sep 2013 #30

here ya go AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #33

hee hee hee Whisp Sep 2013 #38

Damn you guys are cracking me up. That is good. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #43

+1 madrchsod Sep 2013 #80

Ha Ha Ha HA..... revmclaren Sep 2013 #120

LOL Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #217

Bullshit. Itchinjim Sep 2013 #39

There's been a surge reported in people showing up in ER's with dislocated shoulders... KinMd Sep 2013 #45

I think we actually should be thanking the aide of Obama's who took that critical walk with him pnwmom Sep 2013 #46

k and r nashville_brook Sep 2013 #48

We need to keep up the pressure! Can we spell it Zorra Sep 2013 #49

I think it has more to do with the diplomacy countingbluecars Sep 2013 #51

Nothing has been stopped yet B2G Sep 2013 #52

It is far too soon for self-congratulation. David__77 Sep 2013 #54

True, but we've reached an important step:) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #56

All that pressure from within the MIC to shuffle the Mideast power deck Maedhros Sep 2013 #63

yea i hate to be the bubble burster questionseverything Sep 2013 #114

lmao what? iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #57

They were sure WWIII was about to start ... absolutely sure. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #202

It's not over by a long shot. Now more than ever, we need to be glued like hawks Catherina Sep 2013 #58

"we" did? Sheepshank Sep 2013 #234

K & R - you're damn right! Raksha Sep 2013 #59

I think you should take on the Cure for the Common Cold next. Whisp Sep 2013 #61

Another train that is NEVER late. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #65

I don't care who gets credit for it. As long as we don't have to bomb another nation I'm glad. dballance Sep 2013 #67

No, the anti-war peace advocates were just pawns in The PBO's Grand Scheme MNBrewer Sep 2013 #68

Well that just about does it. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #72

Amen! MNBrewer Sep 2013 #74

ROFL, I never got the memo:) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #75

Why would He send memos to pawns? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #76

Damn, just pawns in his game! polichick Sep 2013 #79

So I've been told by one of His True Believers. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #90

Interesting persona that one.... Dragonfli Sep 2013 #193

How much "genius" did Obama need to notice that Syria was a political doomsday plan rocktivity Sep 2013 #70

Oh HERE WE GO.. snooper2 Sep 2013 #73

Mmm no, it was the Russians Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #77

I never thought the POTUS was going to attack Syria Rex Sep 2013 #78

I guess if we want it enough, we'll understand the role of, "We, the People" MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #84

One unintended consequence of all this for Obama - truedelphi Sep 2013 #129

There's no doubt about what you say about these issues... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #185

You are full of yourself and full of s**t rury Sep 2013 #85

And how are you different, and why are you posting here? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #91

Rude. So are we to take it you WERE there? Rex Sep 2013 #97

Ouch! n/t politicasista Sep 2013 #175

But I did hear he did start the fire Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #86

Everyone Knows It Was My Magic Rock That Stopped The War! And Prayer! Skraxx Sep 2013 #88

It was the Threat of Retribution Cryptoad Sep 2013 #92

And we brought Obama grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #96

What did you buy him? Cryptoad Sep 2013 #104

Jesus stopped the war in Syria just as it was foretold in the Bible Code Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #94

Hooey otohara Sep 2013 #99

For this to be true, then you are also responsible for the russian and syrian parts pasto76 Sep 2013 #102

Thanks. Great post and I'm in complete agreement with you. eom Cleita Sep 2013 #103

Not me... PatrynXX Sep 2013 #105

Him being Right, burrs the ass of the Obama Haters! nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #106

Hear! Hear! another_liberal Sep 2013 #107

one of the happiest recs I've given carolinayellowdog Sep 2013 #108

Several problems with this post.. DCBob Sep 2013 #111

Don't count your chickens before they hatch ... Buenaventura Sep 2013 #115

So, by you, you mean... bobclark86 Sep 2013 #116

If he had no intention of really doing it in the first place..... Darkhawk32 Sep 2013 #118

If he had no intention of doing it in the first place, then he's a liar, and destabilized the ME on grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #125

You stopped nothing, Narcis, Assad still at war against Syria.nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #119

So big daddy still gonna shoot off his pop gun? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #124

Putin: Syria chemical arms handover will work only if US calls off strike orenbus Sep 2013 #121

That's chutzpah! nt gulliver Sep 2013 #122

It's not over yet DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #123

Agreed, but we got to step 1. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #126

Think Shrub would have done the same ? orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #127

Wow, that's some thick ego right there shenmue Sep 2013 #128

It's kinda like gay marriage - we had to drag him kicking and screaming to support that too. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #132

You guys wanted him to sign an executive order. LuvLoogie Sep 2013 #146

Absolutely. The pressure put on the administration Union Scribe Sep 2013 #130

BULLSHITE....You got played! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #137

+1000, and Assad is still at war against Syria...nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #143

I'm not sure it's been stopped. I suspect we're in a holding pattern until winter is coming Sep 2013 #139

Excatly..... whistler162 Sep 2013 #145

Never underestimate the power of a DU poll Generic Brad Sep 2013 #148

Obama always says it isn't about him, it's about us.We're the ones who are supposed to change things judesedit Sep 2013 #149

Agreed. 99Forever Sep 2013 #150

But...it's not over yet. Kablooie Sep 2013 #151

Careful. An ego that large can knock down the walls of your house (nt) jeff47 Sep 2013 #156

It ain't over yet, but you're right. tblue Sep 2013 #160

DU forced Putin to the table! michigandem58 Sep 2013 #161

America forced Obama to the table. DirkGently Sep 2013 #171

He never asked for a war, and has ended two michigandem58 Sep 2013 #194

... and failed to start a third. That's progress! DirkGently Sep 2013 #201

I wouldn't consider a Syria strike a war michigandem58 Sep 2013 #206

What would you call a similar strike upon the U.S.? DirkGently Sep 2013 #226

Like the rooster taking credit for the sunrise. baldguy Sep 2013 #163

Perfect response! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #166

HAHAHA, no, like a farmer taking responsibility for his loose chicken-hawks;) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #169

You don't quite have the hang of this metaphor thing, do you? baldguy Sep 2013 #181

the rooster crows but it's the hens who deliver the goods Skittles Sep 2013 #189

The "hens" here being the people in the Obama Admin & the State Dept, of course. baldguy Sep 2013 #197

Exactly. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #167

Would've been nice if he'd acknowledged that like Cameron did. DirkGently Sep 2013 #170

Yes, doing the heavy lifting.... Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #174

LOL. politicasista Sep 2013 #176

You flatter yourself. The population of DU is a spit in the ocean, and Lil Missy Sep 2013 #177

K & R Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #180

Of course not, we're his base, LOL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #182

WOW, really? freemay20 Sep 2013 #183

you all are way off mark bocephus0706 Sep 2013 #184

I don't really buy the premise of this thread. PBass Sep 2013 #187

Then why did he say: grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #190

"Your job is to hold my feet to the fire ..." - Barack Obama DirkGently Sep 2013 #200

I suppose my six letters to consgresscritters and Jasana Sep 2013 #196

Bad things are always Obama's fault, nothing good is ever his doing Democat Sep 2013 #198

DU's Combustible Hair Club and the Tea Baggers agree on that point. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #203

"DU's Combustible Hair Club" - I'm laughing so hard, had to gasp for air...thanks :) n/t Sheepshank Sep 2013 #235

This thread has to be the biggest pile of crap I have ever read on DU, the holier than thou bunch Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #204

Alan Grayson aggrees. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #207

LOL. This is too funny. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #218

I'm pissed Obama did not mention DU in his speech. zappaman Sep 2013 #222

I'm pissed he didn't mention the military industrial complex, or oil company interests. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #241

Assertion in the op? B-a-l-o-n-e-y n/t Sheepshank Sep 2013 #229

Just in case no one noticed, the "war" is still going on in Syria. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #233