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Ocelot

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23. Completely wrong, your claim has been disproven

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:08 AM

Sep 2013

A top secret National Security Agency program allows analysts to search with no prior authorization through vast databases containing emails, online chats and the browsing histories of millions of individuals, according to documents provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The NSA boasts in training materials that the program, called XKeyscore, is its "widest-reaching" system for developing intelligence from the internet.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data]

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

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NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel (Snowden revelations) [View all] Catherina Sep 2013 OP

Transparency! MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #1

Recommend jsr Sep 2013 #2

"no legal limits on use of data by Israelis" woo me with science Sep 2013 #3

"but the exchange is so robust, we sometimes share more than we intended." Catherina Sep 2013 #5

I always assumed the Five Eyes Agreement is really six. Probably more. leveymg Sep 2013 #4

I agree that it's 6 or more Hydra Sep 2013 #6

G-d only knows how many files there really are floating around out there about all of us, and leveymg Sep 2013 #7

Yes but the memorandum says that Israel will agree to "not deliberately target Americans identified Catherina Sep 2013 #8

Made mre spew my coffee. hobbit709 Sep 2013 #11

"This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights..." Catherina Sep 2013 #15

It has long been assumed that members of Echelon spy on each others citizens. FarCenter Sep 2013 #31

Five Eyes is only with English speaking countries jmowreader Sep 2013 #62

What makes you think Israel isn't an English-speaking country? leveymg Sep 2013 #65

The two official languages of Israel are Hebrew and Arabic jmowreader Sep 2013 #69

why did they redact the signature?? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #9

My best guess, based on a quick google is Meir Dagan, former Director of the Mossad Catherina Sep 2013 #18

Why is it not signed by any US official? nt kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #53

Before the day is out hootinholler Sep 2013 #10

I am curious to know how posters indignant on the U.S. spying on our allies Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #13

Why do you think I would know? hootinholler Sep 2013 #14

Yep, plus any DUer who observes this and disapproves of the sharing of the spy data with Israel. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #19

The day is out? Hydra Sep 2013 #21

I'm sure it's just a good faith effort to avoid another USS Liberty incident Fumesucker Sep 2013 #12

I'm real curious about this part Autumn Sep 2013 #16

Why would the Guardian print such speculation? randome Sep 2013 #20

The Guardian didn't pose a question. The only panic I see is your panic Autumn Sep 2013 #33

And Congressmen who go overseas never suspect they are being monitored? randome Sep 2013 #42

You can always read the article if you choose . Once again, I wish you luck. Autumn Sep 2013 #44

Well... "NSA Veterans Say they Scooped up Senator Obama's Information" Catherina Sep 2013 #29

I remembered that. If they get an unfiltered bucket Autumn Sep 2013 #40

And yet the NSA does not gather information on U.S. citizens. randome Sep 2013 #17

Why is it rediculous to sort the info first? Hydra Sep 2013 #22

Sort the info how? Do you think every communication contains a signature like 'Country: America'? randome Sep 2013 #28

*lmao* Hydra Sep 2013 #30

Foreign data shared with foreign allies? I'm okay with that. randome Sep 2013 #32

Ya, it's all foreign data... Hydra Sep 2013 #49

we need to give ramdome a break while s/he figures out the whole bricks vs feathers thing. nashville_brook Sep 2013 #41

Maybe I've overused that one. randome Sep 2013 #43

"a ton of bricks a ton of feathers...they hurt the same" -- nashville_brook Sep 2013 #45

Completely wrong, your claim has been disproven Ocelot Sep 2013 #23

You're conflating metadata collection with the NSA's databases. randome Sep 2013 #26

Bullshit Ocelot Sep 2013 #34

Of course I'm guessing. randome Sep 2013 #37

+1000 GoneFishin Sep 2013 #38

K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #24

Looks fine to me, more shitty reporting by the guardian snooper2 Sep 2013 #25

The guardian does excellent reporting. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #57

This is not a surprise. another_liberal Sep 2013 #27

They have always received privileged treatment. I suspect that this is the rock they hoped would GoneFishin Sep 2013 #35

How special! City Lights Sep 2013 #36

AIPAC, too? Octafish Sep 2013 #39

Thank you so much Catherina for keeping us so well informed. zeemike Sep 2013 #46

Thanks Zeemike Catherina Sep 2013 #54

American Citizens Exposed To The World - Privacy - There Is No Privacy cantbeserious Sep 2013 #47

Oh dear DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #48

After they get done saying no data is being collected Hydra Sep 2013 #50

. stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #51

WTF? KamaAina Sep 2013 #52

Some are protected from snooping though arikara Sep 2013 #55

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #56

You're welcome. As always n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #59

du rec. xchrom Sep 2013 #58

It is comforting to know the U.S. shares raw domestic intelligence with a foreign indepat Sep 2013 #60

There is nothing to suggest this is domestic intelligence data. randome Sep 2013 #61

Imagine how US citizens living overseas who support Palestine must feel Catherina Sep 2013 #63

kick woo me with science Sep 2013 #64

k&r Electric Monk Sep 2013 #66

Who whould have thought that this would happen? blackspade Sep 2013 #67

K&R idwiyo Sep 2013 #68