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markiv

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38. ignorance is always bad news

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:09 AM

Sep 2013

the middle/working classes of this country have been hit with 20 years of bad news

the 1990s characterized by 'free trade' kool-aid pushed by Koch's CATO institute, supported by Ron Paul (and the Clintons)

the 2000s characterized by post 911 military industrial complex mania (pushed hard by Bush, pushed soft by DLC types like Kerry, Hillary, opposed by Ron Paul, this latest effort opposed by Koch), and a continuation of the free trade kool aid supported by the usual suspects mentioned above

the only hope to reverse any of this, is to sort out the issues and take the support of anyone on your side (by the way, many fundamentalist Christians, while supporting pro-israel warmongering, are fed up with the free trade kool-aid)

you artificially unite those you are against, you've already lost

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Be prepared: the war pigs are pissed! [View all] backscatter712 Sep 2013 OP

Even if there is no war it will be hard to argue in favor of defense cuts. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #1

We spend more money on our war machine than the rest of the world combined. Zorra Sep 2013 #4

I'm not arguing against defense cuts Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #6

That is your simplistic spin & it remains spin no matter how often you repost! Divernan Sep 2013 #100

The title of the post you're replying to says, "I'm not arguing against defense cuts." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #102

I agree! JDPriestly Sep 2013 #86

We are currently the owners of the world's largest stash of chemical weapons Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #15

I'm not arguing against cuts. I'm stating the reality of diplomatic and political optics. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #16

Optics can be reframed easily. Optics as you use the term means 'false image' Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #61

You left out palm greasing. The president still doesn't have his AUMF. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #62

um. the "leader of the world".... robinlynne Sep 2013 #85

We spend an obsene amount of money avebury Sep 2013 #30

C'mon guys! This is the 3rd time this comment has been made. I've answered each time. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #34

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #83

We could have a "credible threat of force" with a fourth of the defense budget. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #58

For the fourth time Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #59

Uuuuuh.. unhappycamper Sep 2013 #97

And the fifth time. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #98

The GOP was, just yesterday blaming Obama for the sequester riversedge Sep 2013 #101

The MIC will not stand down on this one. jsr Sep 2013 #2

I'd bet money on that one. Little Star Sep 2013 #3

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #81

Cynically.. sendero Sep 2013 #99

The neo-cons have been crushed like bugs malaise Sep 2013 #5

Unfortunately, they have Phoenix like powers....they will snappyturtle Sep 2013 #8

nope.. they're down, but they're not out.. 2banon Sep 2013 #80

WE wish... nikto Sep 2013 #96

David Koch came out AGAINST the war markiv Sep 2013 #7

Koch's are greedy liars. Don't believe one word of theirs. Whisp Sep 2013 #9

it's easy to dismiss progressives as fools when markiv Sep 2013 #11

well, I'm not surprised. Whisp Sep 2013 #18

a complex world too tough for you? markiv Sep 2013 #19

o my, aren't you spritely today. Whisp Sep 2013 #20

ignorance is always bad news markiv Sep 2013 #38

Alan who? JimboBillyBubbaBob Sep 2013 #39

Grayson and his Palin salad of: Let Allah Sort it Out. n/t Whisp Sep 2013 #40

oh really Grayson said "Let Allah sort it out" azurnoir Sep 2013 #51

sorry, I can't find it. Whisp Sep 2013 #54

ah hah okay n/t azurnoir Sep 2013 #57

I found it: Whisp Sep 2013 #65

Did you miss the part about sarcasm accidently? azurnoir Sep 2013 #66

ah, yah yah, sure. Whisp Sep 2013 #67

are you saying it came from the peopl here on DU? azurnoir Sep 2013 #68

I don't understand. those palin words came from Grayson's mouth... Whisp Sep 2013 #69

what don't you understand your own claims? azurnoir Sep 2013 #74

oh That. Yes, I am sure Grayson got extra bucks for going there. Bucks from all kinds. n/t Whisp Sep 2013 #75

you said from Grayson likely got money from Sarah Palin's fans azurnoir Sep 2013 #76

I think it was just casting a wider net for money. Whisp Sep 2013 #77

now guys iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #88

or perhaps there is a bit more going on azurnoir Sep 2013 #89

Has it come to that? iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #90

first off opponate is a term used in debating someone else azurnoir Sep 2013 #91

Ignoring evidence? Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #94

'financial record of donations' markiv Sep 2013 #103

Of course he came out against the President. rl6214 Sep 2013 #29

David Koch ran as Liberatarian VP candidate in 1980 markiv Sep 2013 #35

Didn't know that rl6214 Sep 2013 #36

Sen. Angry Grumpy Grandpa was pushing their talking points on NPR this A.M. bullwinkle428 Sep 2013 #10

BINGO! kentuck Sep 2013 #12

If the MIC wants to go to war, the Congress or the President should impose a war tax on each kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #13

The Dogs of War Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #14

Plus One! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #93

and there's this valerief Sep 2013 #17

Ding ding ding ding we have a winner. n/t Hotler Sep 2013 #21

According to you and your clique, Obama & Kerry themselves are war pigs or at least their stooges. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #22

If the costume fits..... Fuddnik Sep 2013 #24

Getting a little upset are we? oh ...btw ...nice start on your transparency page. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #26

yeah… pretty funny how the delicate flowers can do that to people they don't agree with. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #72

Look to see DU Admin thrown under the bus in 3... 2... 1... freshwest Sep 2013 #47

Kerry is consulting with a fucking war criminal in Henry Killinger.. frylock Sep 2013 #56

No one can gloss over the venomous bullshit displayed on your tranparency page Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #63

LOL! Venomous hate? what the hell are you talking about? My responding to the bullies? KittyWampus Sep 2013 #73

Special interests versus the broad interests of the American people BlueStreak Sep 2013 #23

Oh brother. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #25

Where did the term rl6214 Sep 2013 #27

President Eisenhower in his exit speech. A speech every America should know by heart but sadly don't snagglepuss Sep 2013 #31

Thank you rl6214 Sep 2013 #32

it's a term that sounds like it came from a leftist acedemic markiv Sep 2013 #45

The original copy of the speech was "Military-Industrial- Congressional Complex". Fuddnik Sep 2013 #41

because it's safer to attack the Pentagon, than the Congress? markiv Sep 2013 #46

That deserves it's own thread. I'm sure there's lots of people including snagglepuss Sep 2013 #49

Heres a link. I'll start a thread. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #50

Eisenhower; greiner3 Sep 2013 #79

Have you seen the little piggies crawling in the dirt? CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #28

You got it. We are messing with their money. You can expect a false-flag attack. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #33

You are! Bummer! whistler162 Sep 2013 #37

There dislike for Obama = So far a win for all Tay123 Sep 2013 #42

As we speak, the Committee to Free Syria is forming Ian_rd Sep 2013 #43

I know, huh? Taverner Sep 2013 #44

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #48

And with war in the oil-rich mid-East... KansDem Sep 2013 #52

The entire purpose of the Keystone Pipeline... nikto Sep 2013 #95

kick woo me with science Sep 2013 #53

Thanks for the heads-up. A good reminder, Raksha Sep 2013 #55

I have a hunch they are going to be pissed even more... kentuck Sep 2013 #60

K&R forestpath Sep 2013 #64

Exactly right. Corruption Inc Sep 2013 #70

Good post! Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2013 #71

This whole Syria thing is because Raytheon and the other military corps want an infusion of our $ Sarah Ibarruri Sep 2013 #78

you got that right... 2banon Sep 2013 #82

Indeed Lonr Sep 2013 #84

the oil industry doesnt need a war iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #87

The war pigs will have to fake up ANOTHER false flag opp. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #92