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Read this OP, everyone: Is this the way you want to go? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #1
A lot of baseless accusations there rl6214 Sep 2013 #5
It's nothing less than a screed against democracy itself. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #18
And which way do YOU want to go? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #22
Without hate, intolerance, and authoritarianism. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #127
You mean the tone of that post, or what? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #48
The OP's outlook. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #124
That's what I figured, but I wasn't sure. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #130
YES, great OP!!!! etherealtruth Sep 2013 #142
I am totally depressed this morning... kentuck Sep 2013 #2
Wasn't Bloomberg's money used to oppose the recall? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4
The truth cannot be told... kentuck Sep 2013 #7
Link, Please? N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #19
Just common knowledge kentuck Sep 2013 #78
If that's true, and there's no proof of it, from either side, wild bird Sep 2013 #81
IOW, just your say-so. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #92
Here is one link.. kentuck Sep 2013 #135
Doesn't the spending still have to be reported to DO's election board? GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #170
I tend to agree with this Pullo Sep 2013 #28
Bloomy? otohara Sep 2013 #69
THOSE people are EVIL, EVIL, EVIL. nt rrneck Sep 2013 #3
it is safe to say sweetapogee Sep 2013 #6
Yeah, this is lost in the lamentation. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #13
Always remember it's not about safety but CONTROL. ileus Sep 2013 #8
Says you. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #9
Says the OP. His animosity to democracy is plain for all to see. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #17
And your animosity towards democracy? earthside Sep 2013 #40
"The two recalled legislators were fairly and legitimately elected ..." oldhippie Sep 2013 #55
We do live in a representative democracy and rl6214 Sep 2013 #56
They were recalled for failing to represent their constituents. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #58
Walker deceived. earthside Sep 2013 #71
If their positions were as well-received as you claim they'd still be in office. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #94
So the Walker recall attempted was also misguided? hack89 Sep 2013 #64
Google the username with "Walker recall" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #67
Seems a bit dichotomous Major Nikon Sep 2013 #29
30,000 lives lost, each and every year, all to appease some paranoid lunatics. DanTex Sep 2013 #10
How much more carnage is wrought by alcohol? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #16
Who do you think drinks more, the US or Europe? Major Nikon Sep 2013 #37
In the US alcohol fuels more carnage than guns. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #54
Even if you could somehow prove this hypothesis, why do you think that is? Major Nikon Sep 2013 #59
If you want to ban things that cause violence then stick to your principles. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #65
Ignoratio elenchi Major Nikon Sep 2013 #72
You want an AWB for ~400 deaths while ignoring the slaughter of tens of thousands Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #85
I don't think you understand Major Nikon Sep 2013 #95
What is your motive for supporting gun control? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #98
Because it unquestionably works Major Nikon Sep 2013 #103
59 proves nothing. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #105
I answered the question, you just didn't like the answer Major Nikon Sep 2013 #107
I answered that gun ownership works when objective is self-defense. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #116
"...impose restrictions on inherent human rights." hahahah Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #120
You have a picture of 2 people fighting with swords. Sword humper. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #125
Bwahaha..! Casting about much? Talk about trying to change subjects...! Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #144
You idolize a war-worshipping, misogynist racist culture where people hack each with swords Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #160
That wasn't what I asked Major Nikon Sep 2013 #139
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #161
Yes it is juvenile, hence the hidden post davidpdx Sep 2013 #165
Here's the funny part Major Nikon Sep 2013 #169
a while back I posted about Norway, a representative democracy with a population of gun CTyankee Sep 2013 #122
If you think you can transplant their culture to Chicago and DC, God bless ya. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #129
Exactly. It is the gun culture in the U.S., not gun safety laws, that put us in this situation. CTyankee Sep 2013 #132
They've been "gun free zones" for decades. Even Chicago is dragging its feet in its Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #134
they don't amount to much without some strong federal enforcement of gun laws... CTyankee Sep 2013 #141
Weird 'cause I live in one of those lax gun law states and we don't want your laws. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #163
"constitutional requirements"...what the hell is that? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #145
No, really there were a couple of Supreme COurt decisions that said Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #162
Snicker...really? Guns arent banned places? Ok, go take your guns aboard a plane and say your Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #167
Red herring argument again Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #119
More Red Herring BS Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #80
Do you deny alcohol leads to drunk driving, domestic violence and sexual assault? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #82
See my 1st post. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #83
Your 1st post is as consistent as the rest. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #88
Yours is still consistant BS. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #89
Please, tell us your motive for banning guns. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #90
Who said anything about banning guns? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #91
So what is your motive for prohibitive taxation? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #93
How is it prohibitive? Your free to bear arms still. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #96
What is your motive for wanting such laws? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #97
Ask away. Lots of restictions on guns. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #101
Why do you want lots of restrictions on guns? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #102
Surely you jest? kentuck Sep 2013 #110
I'm serious. I strongly suspect their motives. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #113
It's your motives that are suspect. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #118
Is it really necessary to deflect from the issue? etherealtruth Sep 2013 #111
I thought the issue was controlling inanimate things to reduce needless deaths. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #112
the issue is narrow and specific ... controlling gun deaths and gun violence etherealtruth Sep 2013 #114
Thirty thousand gun deaths, half of which are deliberately self-inflicted Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #123
I am capable of multi-tasking .... I do not need to ignore one 'evil" because there are other bad th etherealtruth Sep 2013 #140
Multitasking to disarm good people while leaving the violent criminals unchecked. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #154
Yeah, that's it etherealtruth Sep 2013 #156
there are those sweetapogee Sep 2013 #23
some of us have lost someone dear to them to gun violence. CTyankee Sep 2013 #117
My motivation is my service in Vietnam. wild bird Sep 2013 #121
Gun nuttery? Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #166
Of Course I Am- TheMastersNemesis Sep 2013 #171
The NRA rears billh58 Sep 2013 #11
Try something different, billh58. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #12
The NRA was outspent by over 6 to 1. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #20
Exactly etherealtruth Sep 2013 #143
Gang, seriously Savannahmann Sep 2013 #14
You are making too much sense sarisataka Sep 2013 #35
And therein lies the rub. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #51
Since this democracy thing isn't panning out for you what does your book tell you to do now? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #15
more of the same sweetapogee Sep 2013 #21
The fact that we couldn't get universal background checks which the majority of Americans support liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #24
I think a national UBC law likely would have passed congress Jenoch Sep 2013 #70
correct nt Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #153
People support UBC until they find out the details Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #175
Or... 1awake Sep 2013 #25
The majority of people don't care all that much either way Fumesucker Sep 2013 #34
I would disagree with that, but not because I'm trying to argue. 1awake Sep 2013 #41
Beyond hope, and no peace. elleng Sep 2013 #26
When Democrats lose in heavily Democratic districts.. MicaelS Sep 2013 #27
that is why I don't belong in the democratic party anymore. The democratic party has gone too far liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #33
The right to self-defense and the right to CHOOSE whether to own a firearm or not are liberal AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #38
Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #109
Add to that the way the process was done. wild bird Sep 2013 #36
And again, you billh58 Sep 2013 #39
You again? wild bird Sep 2013 #42
Nah, I'd rather billh58 Sep 2013 #44
Have fun with that, wild bird Sep 2013 #46
Nope. billh58 Sep 2013 #50
Whatever. wild bird Sep 2013 #53
Morse was not in a "heavily Democratic district." earthside Sep 2013 #49
They "cherry-picked" Giron's heavily Dem district? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #60
Yup. They did. earthside Sep 2013 #73
It's also a danger in politics to under-read what something like this means? wild bird Sep 2013 #86
'Democrats still control both chambers of the legislature' Thanks for that good news! freshwest Sep 2013 #189
426,388 CO Springs Population - 17,845 Votes otohara Sep 2013 #62
public opinion carried the day.. the result is unfortunate. dionysus Sep 2013 #30
Add CO to the list of places fredamae Sep 2013 #31
We have a Dem Governor, state Senate,state House, both US Senators, and majority of Representatives. denverbill Sep 2013 #52
Sadly, I must admit fredamae Sep 2013 #63
As far as I know, there wasn't any voter suppression involved. denverbill Sep 2013 #76
Maybe I was wrong about the voter suppression. denverbill Sep 2013 #99
I can see where confusion fredamae Sep 2013 #104
Guns don't kill people, people kill people Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #32
Factually correct albeit meaningless to substantitive discussion and overused to the point of cliche Major Nikon Sep 2013 #43
+100! billh58 Sep 2013 #45
I wish they would shoot each other and be gone. judesedit Sep 2013 #47
Ditto TheMastersNemesis Sep 2013 #57
Most of the accidental gunshot deaths are children of these gun nuts rockbluff botanist Sep 2013 #61
Psychotics Are Not Capable Of Rational Thought. TheMastersNemesis Sep 2013 #68
Obviosly, sarcasm is beyond you. rockbluff botanist Sep 2013 #74
The Problem Is They Want Everyone Armed And NO Background Checks TheMastersNemesis Sep 2013 #172
+100 billh58 Sep 2013 #77
Agree. The lack of action after Sandy Hook says all anyone needs to know about this country. Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #66
Reasonable is relative.... John_Carter Sep 2013 #75
No, the gun nuts do a GREAT job appealing to fear and prejudice etherealtruth Sep 2013 #115
see n2doc Sep 2013 #79
She has her basic facts wrong hack89 Sep 2013 #87
so basically you support the NRA position (and the NRA sponsorship) on this? CTyankee Sep 2013 #146
No - I am saying that she made a statement that can be proven to be wrong. hack89 Sep 2013 #148
No. I asked if you support the NRA on this effort. Yes or No? CTyankee Sep 2013 #150
Of course not - I support Dems regardless of their positions on gun control hack89 Sep 2013 #155
sorry, I am too old and have seen too much to believe that the NRA has clean hands on this. CTyankee Sep 2013 #182
You just refuse to accept that "good" Dems would disagree with you on guns hack89 Sep 2013 #186
I liked it better when as you say "good" Dems would disagree with you on guns" disavowed CTyankee Sep 2013 #188
Your fixation on the NRA is distorting your perspective hack89 Sep 2013 #190
they offended a segment of their constituents who needed the power of the NRA and the limitation CTyankee Sep 2013 #191
You do know both the Dems and repukes went to court to reinstate mail in ballots? hack89 Sep 2013 #192
I have no illusions about what the NRA's agenda is. This was carefully planned. CTyankee Sep 2013 #194
The NRA cannot override the Colorado state constitution. hack89 Sep 2013 #196
aw, hack, don't change the subject...I did ask a question about how much support the winners had. CTyankee Sep 2013 #199
I suspect that for the majority of the electorate, gun right and gun control are not a high priority hack89 Sep 2013 #201
Yes, Dems do have a number of issues that they care about CTyankee Sep 2013 #202
Would democracy have won if Bloomberg's money had prevailed? hack89 Sep 2013 #203
well, if the issue is whether we should get all the money out of politics and have CTyankee Sep 2013 #204
Now that makes sense as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #138
Politicians take every step to assure no lunatic's gun rights are ever abridged in the indepat Sep 2013 #84
So true, billh58 Sep 2013 #100
Those 30,000 gun deaths every year is such a small price to pay to assure unfettered gun rights, indepat Sep 2013 #106
maybe you are the problem? GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #108
Bullshit - Bullshit - Bullshit TheMastersNemesis Sep 2013 #173
thanks for that intelligent answer... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #205
The self-righteousness around here is approaching critical mass derby378 Sep 2013 #126
What do you call laws passed only to wage culture war? krispos42 Sep 2013 #128
notice how they can show us graphic videos of Syrian children Skittles Sep 2013 #131
It would be easier to pass reasonable gun laws ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #133
Some reasonable proposals that the gun controllers never propose: AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #137
"controllers"? Interesting use of language... CTyankee Sep 2013 #147
How about "anti-humpers" hack89 Sep 2013 #149
I have never used the term "humpers" in any respect. CTyankee Sep 2013 #151
But you have no problem with others using it, do you? hack89 Sep 2013 #157
we see this issue differently. Very differently. What I see is a public safety issue. CTyankee Sep 2013 #183
Yes, authoritarians are "controllers." Did you ever offer any proposal other than irrational AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #159
OK, if that makes Justice Ginsburg a "controller" I stand with her and the other dissenters on the CTyankee Sep 2013 #185
Your equivalent to "America, Love it or Leave it" is a right-wing meme. You have no factual basis AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #193
She dissented against the Heller decision, favored by RW republican appointed justices... CTyankee Sep 2013 #195
It's a false equavalency to equate a SC Justice who relies upon reason with your AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #198
I guess I don't understand your lexicon. What do YOU mean by "controller"? CTyankee Sep 2013 #200
You know when it will start to turn? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #136
I agree. We've sold our soul to the fucking NRA and their gopiscrap Sep 2013 #152
I collective soul has been tainted by compromises with the NRA lunatics etherealtruth Sep 2013 #158
Is it conceivable to you that some people in good faith disagree about the laws' effectiveness? Recursion Sep 2013 #164
Gun insurance. Own whatever you want, but be responsible or lose your rights by your own behavior. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #174
again with the insurance thing Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #178
My support of gun insurance is that is changes the dialog to demonstrating responsible behavior. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #179
why not have a dialog Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #181
I'd be totally FOR that conversation. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #187
Any gun owner with a homeowners policy already has gun insurance - lynne Sep 2013 #197
But you don't have to prove any firearms competence with homeowners insurance. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #206
Career politicians have their own kind of hope, hope to represent you another day. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #168
We are a country ran by lobbyists! B Calm Sep 2013 #176
IMHO.. sendero Sep 2013 #177
I think your last paragraph is untrue and fear mongering of the type that you condemn. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #180
I couldn't agree more... 99Forever Sep 2013 #184
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