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In reply to the discussion: Alan Grayson [View all]

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
80. Whatever.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:28 PM
Sep 2013

There are numerous occasions when the USA has used illegal weapons. Those weapons include Agent Orange, white phosphorous, napalm, land mines, cluster bombs, and depleted uranium. In the case of land mines and depleted uranium, the hazards of those illegal weapons do not dissipate inside the region where they were deployed for decades after the fighting has ended.

Maybe we should bomb ourselves?

We also have a "good friend and ally" in the Middle East that was confirmed to have used white phosphorous inside a 575 page report by the UN. That report was completed in 2009, regrding the actions that nation took in Dec 2008 and Jan 2009. I don't remember us needing to bomb that nation, or threaten that nation, or whatever.

So I don't see your question as being simple. I think your question and that whole line of questioning is totally disingenuous, and dangerous to boot. By asking it, you are skirting the deeper moral thinking that informed citizens should be doing right now.

"Why Syria?" would be my question, which is the fundamental question. If you really truly think this has anything to do with 400 some innocent people who were hit by sarin gas, and killed by that exposure, I have a chunk of land near a busy airport to sell you for a meditation center.

This country of ours sat by and supported the President of the Congo and 600,000 people were killed. Not one whimper out of Washington DC officials, not one.

But the Congo is a place we already control. Syria is a place we don't. And Syria is the only nation offering Russia a port for its Navy, and a land mass for other military uses.

The Congo and other nations where atrocities are being committed offer us nothing in terms of military strategy in the coming war against Iran. Nor do any other areas where atrocities are being committed figure into the "needed" pipeline for that region in the Middle East.





Alan Grayson [View all] L0oniX Sep 2013 OP
I contacted both my Senators and my House Rep. Lasher Sep 2013 #1
DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #2
I tend to think we really did make a difference this time. L0oniX Sep 2013 #5
Do you know what Shinola looks like?????? nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #19
I'll bet that you can see it when you look in a mirror. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #23
That is Taking the Shinola to a new level HangOnKids Sep 2013 #34
If I say "no"...... daleanime Sep 2013 #30
I cant believe how childish you and your "Group" are. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #75
do tell Cryptoad Sep 2013 #97
The ones who can't tell shit from shinola... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #141
That is a lost "Group" ,,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #144
Kinda scary, Brewinblue Sep 2013 #73
K&R idwiyo Sep 2013 #3
I can't help wondering whether we would be in the position we are now, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #4
I can't help wondering who made us the world police ...when we need so much help here at home. L0oniX Sep 2013 #6
Yeah, America First. Who cares about those damned furriners (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #11
Only a fool would rescue his neighbor when his own family is in danger. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #12
Or give anything to a homeless person unless they were rich (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #13
Well I am not rich @ 15k a year and I've helped out at a homeless food line and raise... L0oniX Sep 2013 #17
I reject "America First." My choice is people of the "World (including the U.S. & Syria) First." deurbano Sep 2013 #15
you mean like we 'helped' Iraq? azurnoir Sep 2013 #28
I OPPOSE the proposed US strikes on Syria. (But not because I believe in "America 1st.") deurbano Sep 2013 #37
Well said, deurbano. n/t pampango Sep 2013 #58
If bombs are your idea of help... daleanime Sep 2013 #31
If Alan Grayson had been running things from the start... raindaddy Sep 2013 #14
so you think Congress would get along fine with Alan? Whisp Sep 2013 #50
Waging war raindaddy Sep 2013 #53
dream along. Whisp Sep 2013 #114
I can't help wondering whether we would be in the position we are now, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #21
You can't help thinking about Romney? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #82
Thats right Cryptoad Sep 2013 #95
wide spread bombing of dogs? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #99
Cats, too, champ! nikto Sep 2013 #148
Grayson thought "Allah" should deal with it , it wasn't our problem JI7 Sep 2013 #43
True - following Grayson's advice, karynnj Sep 2013 #159
Syria hasn't done shit yet. harun Sep 2013 #107
yep: We Let Alan Sort it Out. Whisp Sep 2013 #7
Maybe you did. Others were happy to have Alan join in with the crowd. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #9
Don't relax, it's not over yet, but kicking and recommending anyway. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #8
A good reminder thanks. zeemike Sep 2013 #16
+1 on both counts n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #40
Rec. The Link Sep 2013 #10
Grayson..... another Congressional Wonder that.... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #18
I was wondering how long it would take for the Grayson hate to start. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #32
Gee you are in bed with Grayson? HangOnKids Sep 2013 #35
Do you really think some kinda homophobic rub reference by you is an insult to me... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #52
Really? Which way was the wind blowing a month ago? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #54
Blowing toward the Derps,,,,,? nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #55
Grayson is a Democrat. Are you hating Democrats now? Maybe your love has swung to Gen Clapper. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #77
No he is not a Democrat Cryptoad Sep 2013 #96
I didn't think such naked reich-wing sentiments were allowed here. ~nt~ b.durruti Sep 2013 #154
At this point I am smelling troll on this one. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #103
This one has been stinking up the place - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #106
k&r Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #20
another dillusional 'hero' iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #22
You apply a Hitler analogy to Obama? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #24
Mafia tactics ....that's what these war pigs are all about. L0oniX Sep 2013 #26
I think he was applying it to Assad jmowreader Sep 2013 #84
I had some truly awful pizza the other night... nikto Sep 2013 #150
Delusional? Irony! "You did this" Put down the crack pipe. L0oniX Sep 2013 #25
"im sorry but, some people only respond to the threat of violence." sibelian Sep 2013 #44
Don't be so hard on yourself, LOL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #69
+1 L0oniX Sep 2013 #104
What you didn't do- contribute to getting Syria to admit it had chemical weapons or agree to KittyWampus Sep 2013 #27
To call Kerry of the President warmongers are just wrong iandhr Sep 2013 #29
Syria is one of 5 targets from back when that Rumseld and Wolfy boy set back when... L0oniX Sep 2013 #33
So Syria was one of five targets Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #39
Twisting and framing are always your options. L0oniX Sep 2013 #46
I think it a perfectly reasonable query. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #48
I'm sure the PNAC crowd will be able to figure out a way truedelphi Sep 2013 #62
A total non-answer to my question. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #68
Whatever. truedelphi Sep 2013 #80
Boom! Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #90
Yet another non-answer. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #113
If this question of yours is so simple, then why do you not truedelphi Sep 2013 #118
That's the thing. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #120
I am not dancing around the issue. truedelphi Sep 2013 #122
You continue to dance. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #125
Apparently you Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #121
Who said Syria is to be "untouchable forever"? Vanje Sep 2013 #128
It was the question I asked Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #142
The answer is most likely. Yes or no is not definitively possible in a world without TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #143
I wasn't 'demanding an absolute prediction' at all. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #145
Though you didnt address your question to me... Vanje Sep 2013 #127
So Syria is forever "off the table", Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #130
Yes. Under present Circs Vanje Sep 2013 #136
But that was the question I originally posed Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #137
I think you under-estimate your fellow DU members Vanje Sep 2013 #139
Not at all. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #140
Jeeeeez. You and your, "Forever off the table" Vanje Sep 2013 #138
Iran is one of the 5 that Noam Chompsky has talked about. L0oniX Sep 2013 #102
Thanks for the links. And truedelphi Sep 2013 #110
Send Him Some Hair Color For Men HangOnKids Sep 2013 #36
I am aware of that. iandhr Sep 2013 #38
Maybe he dyed it before, and now he just doesn't have time. eom Blanks Sep 2013 #101
No don't! Vanje Sep 2013 #132
Right. He failed to even address the issue of the MIC grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #70
At this moment for to happen... iandhr Sep 2013 #72
Well, credit where it's due ... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #41
Let us know how all your favorite politicians get their campaign financing too while yer at it. L0oniX Sep 2013 #66
Well, they don't do it Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #67
Yep. Vanje Sep 2013 #129
+10000 And we need to KEEP doing it. woo me with science Sep 2013 #42
Actually, it was Putin. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #45
Shhhh ...don't let the BOG find out. L0oniX Sep 2013 #47
Has Grayson released a figure for the total campaign money he raised off of the Syria issue yet? Tx4obama Sep 2013 #49
The ones who gave and gave in to those tactics are now Whisp Sep 2013 #51
Any bets on when he goes the McKinney route? name not needed Sep 2013 #65
The shame! He should know enough to get money the way everyone else does ...at the DC lobby trough. L0oniX Sep 2013 #63
Could it be possible he's stashing it away for..... Left Coast2020 Sep 2013 #78
I hope so! Vanje Sep 2013 #131
DURec for Grayson. bvar22 Sep 2013 #56
Hopefully we will have even better peace headlines within the next few weeks. nt Zorra Sep 2013 #57
Alan! AzDar Sep 2013 #59
Agree! yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #79
Hanashi wa chotto chigau kedo... Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #85
Watashi wa itsumo jibun no heya o soji shite imasu yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #86
Kokoro No Sports nikto Sep 2013 #93
Arigatou! yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #94
As a long-time pop-music fan & part-time musician since the 1960s... nikto Sep 2013 #115
In my opinion... nikto Sep 2013 #116
Its too bad that there are those yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #119
Yes, but at one time, lots of people used to say... nikto Sep 2013 #123
Nice sounds! Have you ever heard of Aural Vampire? yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #124
Interesting nikto Sep 2013 #126
Have you ever seen this? yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #146
In my mind... nikto Sep 2013 #147
I thought maybe yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #155
Nakata is probably... nikto Sep 2013 #160
Oh, ...And ALAN GRAYSON STILL ROCKS!!!! nikto Sep 2013 #117
I agree with the sentiment, but eridani Sep 2013 #60
Still have libdude Sep 2013 #61
Grayson's interview on DEmocracy Now Vanje Sep 2013 #133
Damn tooten! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #64
Well, I certainly agree! Well done peacenicks!!! (and keep up the pressure) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #71
That is a very interesting email from Rep. Grayson. kentuck Sep 2013 #74
What peace? treestar Sep 2013 #76
Kick! nt Logical Sep 2013 #81
No thanks, Alan, I've already got a car. Barack_America Sep 2013 #83
It's a shame how many are intent on dismissing Union Scribe Sep 2013 #87
The DLC Dino club here isn't worth responding to anymore. They've moved way too far to the right... L0oniX Sep 2013 #105
They're going to need a very VERY LARGE bus Vanje Sep 2013 #134
Yep it's disgusting ~nt~ b.durruti Sep 2013 #149
Well done Congressman Grayson. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #88
Grayson Rocks! blackspade Sep 2013 #89
I love Alan Grayson, but let's face facts: We did all this and more ten years ago. mattclearing Sep 2013 #91
Certainly, the almost universal rejection of strikes by the American people . . . MrModerate Sep 2013 #92
knr Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #98
Thank you Alan Grayson, for being the voice of... 99Forever Sep 2013 #100
How refreshing... a politician who doesn't try to co-opt credit, unlike SOME Ocelot Sep 2013 #108
Look up thread. They've already accused him of that in spite of the "You did this". L0oniX Sep 2013 #109
How's the ca-ching going Alan? Whisp Sep 2013 #111
I'm sure he has a lot more money than Obama ...right? pffft! L0oniX Sep 2013 #112
Whisp, You're a great person, Vanje Sep 2013 #135
it might have been lame but it's the truth. Whisp Sep 2013 #156
I stand with Alan Grayson! ~nt~ b.durruti Sep 2013 #151
I wrote and called my Congress Citters and sent a blanket email to the rest of them gopiscrap Sep 2013 #152
Did I mention that Grayson is from the Bronx? Smarmie Doofus Sep 2013 #153
Apparently he didn't like it there. Your loss our gain ...and we need him down here. Thanks much. L0oniX Sep 2013 #157
Believe me, you have NO idea. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2013 #158
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