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iverglas

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69. well, I'm sure that all the people

Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:35 PM

Feb 2012

who depend to some extent on firearms for their livelihood -- farmers whose crops and livestock are vulnerable to pests and predators, communities where hunting is an important tourist-dollar attraction, people who actually hunt for sustenance -- will take issue with your proposal, as I would.

Obviously I don't disagree with you about the rest; the elimination of firearms policy from the public discourse in the US is part and parcel of the rightward drift of that discourse, and meanwhile the policy changes that are constantly being made to actually loosen the regulation of firearms is part of the rightward drift of public policy itself.

(I haven't yet been shouted down at DU after a decade of tangling with the proponents of those policies in the Guns forum ... but I do get bored more frequently and easily these days. )

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Why are kids shooting other kids at school? [View all] undeterred Feb 2012 OP

If we had answers liberal N proud Feb 2012 #1

because it's so easy to get guns nt msongs Feb 2012 #2

No. Because kids have no respect for parents, teachers, or each other. Drahthaardogs Feb 2012 #24

and kids who have no respect for parents, teachers, or each other iverglas Feb 2012 #34

And easy problem solving by zapping the source of your discomfort is a huge part of Skidmore Feb 2012 #66

The only thing you said that made sense is about urban gun ownership. Drahthaardogs Feb 2012 #93

yeah, I'll try to do better next time iverglas Feb 2012 #95

I don't remember hearing marlakay Feb 2012 #3

It still happens. TheWraith Feb 2012 #5

Must not be paying attention notadmblnd Feb 2012 #7

In Europe, it's news because it happens so rarely. baldguy Feb 2012 #29

Usually because the kid is isolated, miserable, and alone. TheWraith Feb 2012 #4

+ + + + FedUpWithIt All Feb 2012 #32

Why does everyone pretend butterfly77 Feb 2012 #6

I agree. Too much focus on a few incidents for the most part. LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #12

Agreed. ellisonz Feb 2012 #21

Not only that, everyone keeps claiming it's a rising trend. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #87

I guess it will become important.. butterfly77 Feb 2012 #92

mental illness wendylaroux Feb 2012 #8

Maybe it's a consequence of school authorities ignoring bullying tularetom Feb 2012 #9

They said that yesterday undeterred Feb 2012 #17

Those two statements do not contradict one another. ieoeja Feb 2012 #39

^^^ bullying WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2012 #94

They misconstrue No Child Left Behind. rug Feb 2012 #10

because they can access guns.... mike_c Feb 2012 #11

agree 100% (nt) Tumbulu Feb 2012 #15

When I was in high school, I was on the school rifle team. We carried our guns into school Faze Lock Feb 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Feb 2012 #22

I know what I think is pretty stupid iverglas Feb 2012 #35

If that's so, why were there so much fewer school shootings 40+ years ago. Angleae Feb 2012 #25

Yet gun violence in America is at historic lows hack89 Feb 2012 #31

The 1990's were the deadly years for school shootings. hack89 Feb 2012 #37

School shootings in Chicago in the '80s was so common, it didn't even make front page news. ieoeja Feb 2012 #40

a question on that, though iverglas Feb 2012 #53

They're angry, they give themselves permission and we as a society aid them in that. MichiganVote Feb 2012 #13

Ever since Columbine there has been an example undeterred Feb 2012 #19

In one sentence pecwae Feb 2012 #27

Wow. Robb Feb 2012 #84

Mental illness cyglet Feb 2012 #14

"Well, sir, I guess there's just a meanness in this world." deutsey Feb 2012 #16

In this case, it may have been because the shooter's former girlfriend... SidDithers Feb 2012 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author FedUpWithIt All Feb 2012 #33

Bill Maher on the Gun Culture ellisonz Feb 2012 #23

+1000 baldguy Feb 2012 #30

because guns are a quick way for the powerless to feel powerful LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #26

Forced Moment of Silence and recitation of The Pledge of Allegiance Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #28

You probably also didn't have school hot lunches or breakfast..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #78

It is built into the culture in the US: "guns solve problems". AlinPA Feb 2012 #36

Because they're angry and have access to firearms. MineralMan Feb 2012 #38

I would just note... ellisonz Feb 2012 #45

Both have been used in these shootings. MineralMan Feb 2012 #48

School shootings and where students got their guns iverglas Feb 2012 #41

Bingo. ellisonz Feb 2012 #46

I don't think it's anything new DefenseLawyer Feb 2012 #42

Perhaps because they're ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #43

Sometimes things happen. Things thay we may, or may not, have the power ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #44

Why are adults shooting other adults at health clubs? Chorophyll Feb 2012 #47

People are willing to talk about the firearms. MineralMan Feb 2012 #49

that's a bit of a false dichotomy iverglas Feb 2012 #56

Laws regarding storage won't mean that firearms MineralMan Feb 2012 #62

I guess I didn't type what I thought I'd typed iverglas Feb 2012 #68

And you've misunderstood me. MineralMan Feb 2012 #74

the thing is iverglas Feb 2012 #77

Actually, I'm suggesting firearms should be banned. Chorophyll Feb 2012 #67

well, I'm sure that all the people iverglas Feb 2012 #69

There are reasonable firearm bans in western Europe, Chorophyll Mar 2012 #105

I'm in Canada iverglas Mar 2012 #108

What other amendments would you like to scrub? The 1st amendment definitely needs some more Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #70

You should read the entire amendment, which has something to do with militias Chorophyll Mar 2012 #102

I believe the Supreme Court has taken up that case from time to time and ruled that it applies to Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #106

You mean like in those peaceful countries Mexico & Jamaica where guns are banned? n/t EX500rider Mar 2012 #100

No Stewie. I was thinking more of Western Europe, Chorophyll Mar 2012 #104

US kills more without guns then the W Europeans do with guns.. EX500rider Mar 2012 #107

actually, if that's the case I'm thinking of, iverglas Feb 2012 #51

Yes, I remember this. But there was a shooting at a health club just last week, Chorophyll Feb 2012 #65

Because our society carefully teaches that might makes right gratuitous Feb 2012 #50

Generally, they're not. slackmaster Feb 2012 #52

generally, that really is not true iverglas Feb 2012 #58

Malignant narcissism most certainly is a mental disorder. slackmaster Feb 2012 #63

now, what did I say? iverglas Feb 2012 #71

Gerb-chibble. Personality disorders are among the most destructive mental illnesses slackmaster Feb 2012 #76

lordy iverglas Feb 2012 #79

Go argue with any psychiatrist or psychologist about what "mental illness" means slackmaster Feb 2012 #80

and you can check out the new DSM coming out next year iverglas Feb 2012 #81

Mentally healthy people don't kill random innocent people slackmaster Feb 2012 #83

seriously: "mentally ill" and "not nice" are not the same things iverglas Feb 2012 #85

The subject of personality disorders seems to have struck a nerve with you, iverglas slackmaster Feb 2012 #89

and thus endeth any semblance of civil discourse iverglas Feb 2012 #90

Wait, are you seriously trying to claim that a personality disorder is not mental illness? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #86

I hear they'r esaying iverglas Feb 2012 #91

It's obviously because we took prayer out of schools. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #54

What makes a kid do this? Guns. kctim Feb 2012 #55

what an odd notion iverglas Feb 2012 #57

Yes, blaming the gun is indeed very odd kctim Feb 2012 #59

I absolutely agree! iverglas Feb 2012 #61

Riiiiiiiiiight kctim Feb 2012 #72

here's a thought iverglas Feb 2012 #73

No way! Oyster secretions must be held emphatically! 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #97

You are of course correct kctim Mar 2012 #98

you are absolutely right! iverglas Mar 2012 #99

Denialism. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #88

They're sick of being bullied and want to show everyone they're powerful. BlueDemKev Feb 2012 #60

Movies / TV. We must have more regulation immediately. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #64

The kid is not well. YellowRubberDuckie Feb 2012 #75

Either bad parents/family, or an untreated mental condition (which is ALSO a Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #82

Guns much easier to get in the 1940's, 50's, 60's - lynne Mar 2012 #96

Because kids are humans Taverner Mar 2012 #101

They don't like Mondays and it livens up the day. AngryAmish Mar 2012 #103