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wild bird

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154. Let me make a small point here.

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:05 PM

Sep 2013

One of the reasons it's hard for criminals in the UK to get guns is the UK is an island nation whereas, the US is not and we have very porous borders, witness the drugs, immigrants, contraband that comes across every day.
Unless we're willing to turn our borders into something like the former East Germany, we're never going to stop the flow of illegal contraband into the country.

There are, of course, things we can do to reduce gun violence, both on the social and regulation side.

I do believe the biggest impact would be to end the phoney war on drugs, cut the budget of the soul sucking military, divert the money from both to improve our schools/education system, hire a shit load of people to rebuild the infrastructure.
And of course, there are things like the universal background check, registration of handguns, etc.

These alone would go a long ways towards bringing down the overall violence.

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FUCK THE NRA, the gun-nut wing of the Republican Party. [View all] madinmaryland Sep 2013 OP

They expected to unseat four. They only got two. onehandle Sep 2013 #1

Do you have a link for that? nt Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #11

Here... onehandle Sep 2013 #16

Thank you. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #20

Perhaps the constituents of that area spoke via the vote. Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #25

I believe that that's exactly what happened Mojorabbit. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #28

The Koch Brothers thank you for your support of their elected Democrat recall effort. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #41

Low turnout. The dumbest people in America seem to show up for those. onehandle Sep 2013 #38

I show up for every election pintobean Sep 2013 #64

I said that inartfully. Fixed it. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #80

If that's true, wild bird Sep 2013 #109

Link is broken. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #114

Fixed it. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #122

Thank you!! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #125

K&R MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #2

The voters ousted them. Recall opponents outspent the NRA side by almost than 5:1 NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3

Eventually, the NRA, gun-nutters, and Gun Industrial Complex will lose. Unfortunately, the GIC madinmaryland Sep 2013 #5

With climate change and pending water and food shortages, I think we'll all go down together. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #7

How much did the Koch brothers spend? 99Forever Sep 2013 #8

I believe that it has not been reported. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #9

Of course not. It'd make your side look bad and that victory you're celebrating less than perfect. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #52

Wow. As if there are sides and as if I had control over campaign spending laws. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #81

Morse had his off-the-books contributors as well, including MAIG. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #85

A lot of Democrats in western states own firearms Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #12

And that's what happened here. wild bird Sep 2013 #13

Absolutely true. The gun ownership = right wing idea is bullshit. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #14

I don't get it either Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #26

It's my understanding they aren't "real" Democrats then. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #21

Same thing in the south. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #164

If the "good Democratic representatives" had chosen more wisely HolyMoley Sep 2013 #4

No. The NRA and the gun-nutters hi-jacked and ousted duly elected representatives. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #6

No, the voters in those districts ousted them. wild bird Sep 2013 #10

No. The NRA ousted them. Without the influx of the NRA and Koch brothers money, they would not hav madinmaryland Sep 2013 #18

The NRA did initiate it, wild bird Sep 2013 #23

Save your breath-some people only hear what they want to hear... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #29

I know, but I tend to be pretty tenacious. wild bird Sep 2013 #31

Those spending numbers don't include your friends the Koch Brothers. DanTex Sep 2013 #39

So what was all this secret money spent on? We know it was not TV or radio ads. hack89 Sep 2013 #42

What part of "undisclosed" do you not understand? DanTex Sep 2013 #46

To influence the voters that money had to be spend on tangible things hack89 Sep 2013 #47

So the gun blogs are saying they didn't spend money on ads? DanTex Sep 2013 #49

We know they spent about $400k. That will buy all those things you mention. hack89 Sep 2013 #51

Are you just making this up as you go? DanTex Sep 2013 #53

You are the one making unsubstantiated comments about millions of dollars. hack89 Sep 2013 #55

Where's the link about the $400k? So you admit you just made that up? I'll have to bookmark this! DanTex Sep 2013 #59

Is KOS ok? hack89 Sep 2013 #60

LOL. Again, those are the official numbers which *do not* include the unreported amounts spent DanTex Sep 2013 #62

So you pull a number out of your ass and that is all of a sudden a undisputed fact? hack89 Sep 2013 #65

What number? The only ass-pulled number is $400K, by you! DanTex Sep 2013 #68

Says a lot when Dems can't motivate their voters - would NRA ads make you stay at home? nt hack89 Sep 2013 #71

So you're just going to forget the whole $400K number you fabricated? Pretend that never happened? DanTex Sep 2013 #74

"Democrats have run 2,346 of the 2,490 ads aired in the campaign" hack89 Sep 2013 #56

Including the ads that were not officially part of the campaigns? DanTex Sep 2013 #63

Says a lot when Dems can't motivate their voters - would NRA ads make you stay at home? hack89 Sep 2013 #69

In this case, yes, there was an enthusiasm gap. DanTex Sep 2013 #72

And yet all that special interest money didn't help the Dems. hack89 Sep 2013 #75

Like I said before, there is an enthusiasm gap. DanTex Sep 2013 #77

The incessant NRA billh58 Sep 2013 #106

My friends? wild bird Sep 2013 #107

I don't know where you stand on gun control. DanTex Sep 2013 #111

Apology accepted. wild bird Sep 2013 #115

Impressive. n/t billh58 Sep 2013 #119

NSA? nt. wild bird Sep 2013 #124

exactly! n/t GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #116

Yeah, Morse and Giron's support for feel-good-but-do-nothing laws... Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #24

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #95

Ever lived in these areas of Colorado? pipoman Sep 2013 #37

Bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #91

It is about control. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #136

Maybe if we stopped painting the 50 million gun owners in this country as lunatics The Straight Story Sep 2013 #15

Maybe if thethe 50 million gun owners in this country didn't paint themselves as lunatics, madinmaryland Sep 2013 #17

Uh The Straight Story Sep 2013 #19

If all 50+ million gun owners were "lunatics," there'd be millions and millions of shootings. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #93

So true, it's horrible that some people here can't come to terms with it... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #118

Here's the problem: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #57

I think you're misunderstanding that reaction. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #92

It's kinda like pintobean Sep 2013 #94

No, I understand them perfectly. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #147

Actually, the BAN EVERYTHING!!!!! Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #165

I don't know of a single public official calling for a blanket ban on all firearms post Sandy Hook. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #167

Maybe if gun owners truly acted "responsibly" by backing laws against proliferation of guns, toting Hoyt Sep 2013 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #97

We must outlaw gangs!!!! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #120

Yea, but this kind of crud ain't "comparable." Hoyt Sep 2013 #127

These guys are more dangerous than, say, MS-13? wild bird Sep 2013 #129

Actually not. But the gun cultist fearmongers try to promote that. Hoyt Sep 2013 #134

You're telling me that these so called militia nuts are more dangerous than the street gangs wild bird Sep 2013 #138

The militia nuts, and those that aspire to be, accumulate weapons. Some traffic in weapons. Hoyt Sep 2013 #149

That's not even close to true. DanTex Sep 2013 #140

Maybe people just don't like do nothing laws, like the new ones abortion - ultrasounds, etc The Straight Story Sep 2013 #112

This explains it all! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #123

Then, let's do away with "do nothing laws" -- ban all semi-auto rifles and most public toting. Hoyt Sep 2013 #132

Ban all semi auto rifles? wild bird Sep 2013 #137

Don't care about guns in circulation already. I do care about another 100 million in the next decade Hoyt Sep 2013 #150

Ok, that's a fair and good point. wild bird Sep 2013 #152

Cool. In the 1960s, there was no appetite to restrict on smoking either. But today . . . . . . Hoyt Sep 2013 #153

You're right. wild bird Sep 2013 #155

The people who scream the loudest about banning semiautomatics Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #166

And yet most people with guns that look like that do no harm at all with them The Straight Story Sep 2013 #139

Actually shooter, I would like to see people using revolvers. That too would help put an end to Hoyt Sep 2013 #161

Shooter? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #162

And then there are things like this: The Straight Story Sep 2013 #163

Funny, the people who oppose the gun laws are the same ones pushing the abortion laws. DanTex Sep 2013 #141

And vice versa, people pro-choice become anti-choice quick on other things The Straight Story Sep 2013 #142

That's extremely simplistic wordplay. It's not an argument. DanTex Sep 2013 #144

Not word play and not complete freedom either The Straight Story Sep 2013 #145

I think all should be judged on a case by case basis based on risks and benefits. DanTex Sep 2013 #151

Let me make a small point here. wild bird Sep 2013 #154

There's also Canada, France, Germany, Netherlands, Australia (ok that's an island)... DanTex Sep 2013 #156

All true points. wild bird Sep 2013 #158

I agree with that. DanTex Sep 2013 #159

A better estimate is that there are 70 to 80 million gun owners and that might be low. ... spin Sep 2013 #146

Fuck you NRA! And all of your stupid bullshit! lonestarnot Sep 2013 #22

Colorado voters decided to fuck Michael Bloomberg instead... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #27

The ones who voted decided to fuck themselves. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #32

You lot don't seem to like democracy when it doesn't produce the results you want... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #33

What is your motivation? I will not defend a position that I do not support as truth. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #34

And you seem to be a big fan of Koch Brothers' money influencing local elections... DanTex Sep 2013 #40

Great - a Koch secret money CT. hack89 Sep 2013 #43

So now the Koch Brothers are a conspiracy? You guys are too funny! DanTex Sep 2013 #45

No - this notion that they secretly spend millions in this recall hack89 Sep 2013 #48

Did you try google? I know you really like gunz.com but they're not reallya reliable news source... DanTex Sep 2013 #50

"Democrats have run 2,346 of the 2,490 ads aired in the campaign" hack89 Sep 2013 #58

Does that include the ads that were not officially part of the campaigns? DanTex Sep 2013 #61

It shows how low a priority gun control is to many Dem voters hack89 Sep 2013 #67

Agreed, there is an enthusiasm gap. DanTex Sep 2013 #70

Which means that Dems need to learn from this when it comes to introducing gun control hack89 Sep 2013 #73

Build up more awareness of the harms of gun violence, develop more effective GOTV strategies. DanTex Sep 2013 #76

Simply respecting the intelligence of the voters hack89 Sep 2013 #79

Riiight. Because the Gun Lobby never rams through legislation where it sees the easy opportunity to. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #82

If you want to use NRA tactics then go ahead. hack89 Sep 2013 #83

This had nothing to do with the intelligence of voters. DanTex Sep 2013 #86

"People that disagree with me are stupid" Now that's a winning political message. hack89 Sep 2013 #88

It's not a political message. It's a political reality. Some voters are dumb. DanTex Sep 2013 #89

But of course people that agree with you cannot be dumb - correct? nt hack89 Sep 2013 #96

So I guess you don't think those creationists pushing Texas schoolbooks are dumb... DanTex Sep 2013 #99

We are discussing your hubris hack89 Sep 2013 #100

So now calling creationists dumb is "hubris"? Who knew? DanTex Sep 2013 #101

We are talking about your views on guns - please read what I actually wrote nt. hack89 Sep 2013 #102

We are talking about whether it is "hubris" to call some people dumb. DanTex Sep 2013 #104

ok nt hack89 Sep 2013 #105

So, now the mystery money pintobean Sep 2013 #78

LOL. So now the Koch brothers and AFP are "mystery money"? DanTex Sep 2013 #87

I didn't claim any of that. pintobean Sep 2013 #90

LOL. So are you part of my alerter following? DanTex Sep 2013 #98

Three more. pintobean Sep 2013 #103

I'm not sure you understand how quotes work. DanTex Sep 2013 #108

I'm not confused pintobean Sep 2013 #110

Sure sign of winning an argument: when the other person drops even the pretense DanTex Sep 2013 #113

What more can I say? pintobean Sep 2013 #121

Religion indeed! DanTex Sep 2013 #126

There's no doubt that the Koch Bros. have done that, wild bird Sep 2013 #128

I tend to agree with Obama on this. DanTex Sep 2013 #131

I agree that we can't disarm, no pun intended, wild bird Sep 2013 #133

I saw the news article pintobean Sep 2013 #130

That must have been a great day for you! Shame your alerts this thread didn't work out. DanTex Sep 2013 #135

The article that you linked to pintobean Sep 2013 #143

And we all know that elections are predicated only on votes rather than influence, money, etc. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #54

And the voters who decided to stay home and not bother to vote wild bird Sep 2013 #35

Yes they did. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #36

That's your opinion. The ones who voted for the recall would disagree with you. (n/t) spin Sep 2013 #148

My sentiments exactly!!! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #30

I thought their constituents ousted them badtoworse Sep 2013 #44

Fuck the NRA and all its apologists. forestpath Sep 2013 #66

Don't say things like that because you will upset the NRA/ALEC trolls coldmountain Sep 2013 #117

The who? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #157

Oh no, not Morlocks, not flesh eating Morlocks! wild bird Sep 2013 #160

:) nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #168

This needs to be kicked, and let me say it one more time.... madinmaryland Sep 2013 #169

I'm going to Rec every malaise Sep 2013 #170