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ProSense

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Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:48 PM Sep 2013

Putin and Assad are trying save Assad's ass. That is not having an upperhand [View all]

Everyone knows the back story, including Putin and his obstruction.

Putin says he, Obama discussed control over Syrian chemical arms
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023640131

Then Kerry said something, and within hours, Russia proposed that Syria accept, which it did, and then the UN signed on. By the end of the day, China and Iran were also on board.

Assad: Russia, Not U.S. Threats, Influenced Me To Surrender Chemical Weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023654652

The threat of force is not going to be removed from the table. It's up to Assad to do the right thing.

Article 41

The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.

Article 42

Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml

He is in no position to make demands, especially ones unrelated to his chemical arsenal, which he was also forced to acknowledge.

By Stephanie Condon

Kerry: High expectations for Syria deal, especially for Russia

As Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov got down to the business of crafting a deal for Syria to hand over its chemical weapons, Kerry on Thursday acknowledged the high expectations that exist for both powerful nations.

"They're high for the United States, perhaps even higher for Russia to deliver at this moment," Kerry said from Geneva, in opening remarks ahead of the negotiations. "This is not a game."

Any deal for Syria to relinquish its stockpiles, he said, must be real, comprehensive, verifiable and implemented in a timely fashion. He added, "There ought to be consequences if it doesn't take place."

Syria has suggested that the regime ought to have the standard 30 days to submit data on its chemical weapons stockpile, but Kerry said, "We believe there is nothing standard about this process at this moment," noting that chemical weapons have already been used.

- more -

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57602674/kerry-high-expectations-for-syria-deal-especially-for-russia/



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K&R! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #1
Does it matter? David__77 Sep 2013 #2
Yes, it does matter ProSense Sep 2013 #3
I guess I wouldn't understand how being powerful = being good or right. David__77 Sep 2013 #4
Are you ProSense Sep 2013 #6
I am not arguing that or being coy. David__77 Sep 2013 #10
Oh, I see... David__77 Sep 2013 #13
No, you misunderstood my point. ProSense Sep 2013 #15
No, I understood your point. David__77 Sep 2013 #18
Obama didn't have the votes. That isn't 11th Dimensional Chess. leveymg Sep 2013 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #29
Welcome to DU. ProSense Sep 2013 #30
MIRT high five bobduca Sep 2013 #66
no...it does not matter noiretextatique Sep 2013 #7
Actually, ProSense Sep 2013 #8
so YOU know that it was Assad, for sure? noiretextatique Sep 2013 #9
So you're abandoning the "cold war" nonsense? ProSense Sep 2013 #11
ok...they were WRONG about Iraq noiretextatique Sep 2013 #14
"got it." Evidently not. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #16
what? don't like my link? noiretextatique Sep 2013 #20
Got anything older than three weeks ago? ProSense Sep 2013 #21
Of course you ignore it when the UN says the rebels used gas. former9thward Sep 2013 #25
No, I didn't, and what does that have to do with the August attack? ProSense Sep 2013 #27
What does it have to do with it? former9thward Sep 2013 #60
That report is from May of 2013. Can you post an update ? lumpy Sep 2013 #44
I have seen no update. former9thward Sep 2013 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #32
TRUTH! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #5
This is all happening because the President wasn't negotiating Cha Sep 2013 #12
I'm truly sorry you didn't get the war you wanted. Perhaps we can attack Venezuela? Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #17
You have me mistaken for your someone in your imagination. ProSense Sep 2013 #19
imaginary person on the internet is imaginary Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #67
Indeed stupidicus Sep 2013 #24
One would think it's fairly obvious that Russia's and Assad's new-found willingness cheapdate Sep 2013 #22
Couldn't care less who's ass was saved, as long as her's is one of them..... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #23
+10000000. nt riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #63
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #26
Assad's isn't the only ass that's on the line pscot Sep 2013 #28
Really? ProSense Sep 2013 #34
Amazing!! raindaddy Sep 2013 #31
"Of course Putin wants to save Assad's ass." ProSense Sep 2013 #35
The point is.... raindaddy Sep 2013 #40
Viewing it as a contest for the upper hand isn't helpful with so many lives and limbs in the balance pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #33
But it is being done. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #36
And who has clean hands here, in that respect? nt pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #37
Who said anything about "clean hands"? ProSense Sep 2013 #38
And you're using framing that is not conducive to peace pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #39
What? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #41
You're making this into a contest between Obama and Putin pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #45
"It is the grand chess game, and at this time I would say the Russians have control of the board." ProSense Sep 2013 #46
You're playing the same game, promoting the notion of U.S./Obama dominance pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #47
No, ProSense Sep 2013 #48
You go out of your way to try to prove that Putin doesn't have the "upper hand" over Obama pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #50
No, it wasn't "out of" my "way." ProSense Sep 2013 #52
The fact that anyone feels a need to dispute who has "the upper hand" says a lot in itself. nt pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #55
OK, but it is what it is. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #56
Peace is good for Certain. Peace in this world will be slow in coming but not in our lifetime. lumpy Sep 2013 #49
Peace in this conflict doesn't have to take so long pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #53
Please stop trying to twist this into a political win for Obama - it isn't. reformist2 Sep 2013 #42
Why, are you upset that Assad and Putin don't have the upperhand? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #43
im gonna jump in SwampG8r Sep 2013 #54
Most intelligent people can see Putin is now boxed in by his own words. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #61
America truly is exceptional... bobduca Sep 2013 #57
It is what it is. ProSense Sep 2013 #62
In Soviet Russia... bobduca Sep 2013 #64
This is ProSense Sep 2013 #65
Sounds like a big round of CYA. Rex Sep 2013 #58
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