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Tommy_Carcetti

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167. I don't know of a single public official calling for a blanket ban on all firearms post Sandy Hook.

Fri Sep 13, 2013, 08:52 AM

Sep 2013

For that matter, very few people on DU actually advocated for such a measure. Most people, including myself, know that simply not to be practical.

The fact that gun enthusiasts sought to strawman gun control proponents into claiming they were advocating for a blanket ban on all guns only further speaks to their own irrationality.

But they're your problem, not mine.

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FUCK THE NRA, the gun-nut wing of the Republican Party. [View all] madinmaryland Sep 2013 OP

They expected to unseat four. They only got two. onehandle Sep 2013 #1

Do you have a link for that? nt Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #11

Here... onehandle Sep 2013 #16

Thank you. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #20

Perhaps the constituents of that area spoke via the vote. Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #25

I believe that that's exactly what happened Mojorabbit. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #28

The Koch Brothers thank you for your support of their elected Democrat recall effort. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #41

Low turnout. The dumbest people in America seem to show up for those. onehandle Sep 2013 #38

I show up for every election pintobean Sep 2013 #64

I said that inartfully. Fixed it. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #80

If that's true, wild bird Sep 2013 #109

Link is broken. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #114

Fixed it. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #122

Thank you!! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #125

K&R MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #2

The voters ousted them. Recall opponents outspent the NRA side by almost than 5:1 NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3

Eventually, the NRA, gun-nutters, and Gun Industrial Complex will lose. Unfortunately, the GIC madinmaryland Sep 2013 #5

With climate change and pending water and food shortages, I think we'll all go down together. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #7

How much did the Koch brothers spend? 99Forever Sep 2013 #8

I believe that it has not been reported. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #9

Of course not. It'd make your side look bad and that victory you're celebrating less than perfect. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #52

Wow. As if there are sides and as if I had control over campaign spending laws. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #81

Morse had his off-the-books contributors as well, including MAIG. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #85

A lot of Democrats in western states own firearms Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #12

And that's what happened here. wild bird Sep 2013 #13

Absolutely true. The gun ownership = right wing idea is bullshit. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #14

I don't get it either Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #26

It's my understanding they aren't "real" Democrats then. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #21

Same thing in the south. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #164

If the "good Democratic representatives" had chosen more wisely HolyMoley Sep 2013 #4

No. The NRA and the gun-nutters hi-jacked and ousted duly elected representatives. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #6

No, the voters in those districts ousted them. wild bird Sep 2013 #10

No. The NRA ousted them. Without the influx of the NRA and Koch brothers money, they would not hav madinmaryland Sep 2013 #18

The NRA did initiate it, wild bird Sep 2013 #23

Save your breath-some people only hear what they want to hear... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #29

I know, but I tend to be pretty tenacious. wild bird Sep 2013 #31

Those spending numbers don't include your friends the Koch Brothers. DanTex Sep 2013 #39

So what was all this secret money spent on? We know it was not TV or radio ads. hack89 Sep 2013 #42

What part of "undisclosed" do you not understand? DanTex Sep 2013 #46

To influence the voters that money had to be spend on tangible things hack89 Sep 2013 #47

So the gun blogs are saying they didn't spend money on ads? DanTex Sep 2013 #49

We know they spent about $400k. That will buy all those things you mention. hack89 Sep 2013 #51

Are you just making this up as you go? DanTex Sep 2013 #53

You are the one making unsubstantiated comments about millions of dollars. hack89 Sep 2013 #55

Where's the link about the $400k? So you admit you just made that up? I'll have to bookmark this! DanTex Sep 2013 #59

Is KOS ok? hack89 Sep 2013 #60

LOL. Again, those are the official numbers which *do not* include the unreported amounts spent DanTex Sep 2013 #62

So you pull a number out of your ass and that is all of a sudden a undisputed fact? hack89 Sep 2013 #65

What number? The only ass-pulled number is $400K, by you! DanTex Sep 2013 #68

Says a lot when Dems can't motivate their voters - would NRA ads make you stay at home? nt hack89 Sep 2013 #71

So you're just going to forget the whole $400K number you fabricated? Pretend that never happened? DanTex Sep 2013 #74

"Democrats have run 2,346 of the 2,490 ads aired in the campaign" hack89 Sep 2013 #56

Including the ads that were not officially part of the campaigns? DanTex Sep 2013 #63

Says a lot when Dems can't motivate their voters - would NRA ads make you stay at home? hack89 Sep 2013 #69

In this case, yes, there was an enthusiasm gap. DanTex Sep 2013 #72

And yet all that special interest money didn't help the Dems. hack89 Sep 2013 #75

Like I said before, there is an enthusiasm gap. DanTex Sep 2013 #77

The incessant NRA billh58 Sep 2013 #106

My friends? wild bird Sep 2013 #107

I don't know where you stand on gun control. DanTex Sep 2013 #111

Apology accepted. wild bird Sep 2013 #115

Impressive. n/t billh58 Sep 2013 #119

NSA? nt. wild bird Sep 2013 #124

exactly! n/t GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #116

Yeah, Morse and Giron's support for feel-good-but-do-nothing laws... Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #24

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #95

Ever lived in these areas of Colorado? pipoman Sep 2013 #37

Bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #91

It is about control. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #136

Maybe if we stopped painting the 50 million gun owners in this country as lunatics The Straight Story Sep 2013 #15

Maybe if thethe 50 million gun owners in this country didn't paint themselves as lunatics, madinmaryland Sep 2013 #17

Uh The Straight Story Sep 2013 #19

If all 50+ million gun owners were "lunatics," there'd be millions and millions of shootings. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #93

So true, it's horrible that some people here can't come to terms with it... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #118

Here's the problem: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #57

I think you're misunderstanding that reaction. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #92

It's kinda like pintobean Sep 2013 #94

No, I understand them perfectly. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #147

Actually, the BAN EVERYTHING!!!!! Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #165

I don't know of a single public official calling for a blanket ban on all firearms post Sandy Hook. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #167

Maybe if gun owners truly acted "responsibly" by backing laws against proliferation of guns, toting Hoyt Sep 2013 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #97

We must outlaw gangs!!!! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #120

Yea, but this kind of crud ain't "comparable." Hoyt Sep 2013 #127

These guys are more dangerous than, say, MS-13? wild bird Sep 2013 #129

Actually not. But the gun cultist fearmongers try to promote that. Hoyt Sep 2013 #134

You're telling me that these so called militia nuts are more dangerous than the street gangs wild bird Sep 2013 #138

The militia nuts, and those that aspire to be, accumulate weapons. Some traffic in weapons. Hoyt Sep 2013 #149

That's not even close to true. DanTex Sep 2013 #140

Maybe people just don't like do nothing laws, like the new ones abortion - ultrasounds, etc The Straight Story Sep 2013 #112

This explains it all! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #123

Then, let's do away with "do nothing laws" -- ban all semi-auto rifles and most public toting. Hoyt Sep 2013 #132

Ban all semi auto rifles? wild bird Sep 2013 #137

Don't care about guns in circulation already. I do care about another 100 million in the next decade Hoyt Sep 2013 #150

Ok, that's a fair and good point. wild bird Sep 2013 #152

Cool. In the 1960s, there was no appetite to restrict on smoking either. But today . . . . . . Hoyt Sep 2013 #153

You're right. wild bird Sep 2013 #155

The people who scream the loudest about banning semiautomatics Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #166

And yet most people with guns that look like that do no harm at all with them The Straight Story Sep 2013 #139

Actually shooter, I would like to see people using revolvers. That too would help put an end to Hoyt Sep 2013 #161

Shooter? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #162

And then there are things like this: The Straight Story Sep 2013 #163

Funny, the people who oppose the gun laws are the same ones pushing the abortion laws. DanTex Sep 2013 #141

And vice versa, people pro-choice become anti-choice quick on other things The Straight Story Sep 2013 #142

That's extremely simplistic wordplay. It's not an argument. DanTex Sep 2013 #144

Not word play and not complete freedom either The Straight Story Sep 2013 #145

I think all should be judged on a case by case basis based on risks and benefits. DanTex Sep 2013 #151

Let me make a small point here. wild bird Sep 2013 #154

There's also Canada, France, Germany, Netherlands, Australia (ok that's an island)... DanTex Sep 2013 #156

All true points. wild bird Sep 2013 #158

I agree with that. DanTex Sep 2013 #159

A better estimate is that there are 70 to 80 million gun owners and that might be low. ... spin Sep 2013 #146

Fuck you NRA! And all of your stupid bullshit! lonestarnot Sep 2013 #22

Colorado voters decided to fuck Michael Bloomberg instead... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #27

The ones who voted decided to fuck themselves. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #32

You lot don't seem to like democracy when it doesn't produce the results you want... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #33

What is your motivation? I will not defend a position that I do not support as truth. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #34

And you seem to be a big fan of Koch Brothers' money influencing local elections... DanTex Sep 2013 #40

Great - a Koch secret money CT. hack89 Sep 2013 #43

So now the Koch Brothers are a conspiracy? You guys are too funny! DanTex Sep 2013 #45

No - this notion that they secretly spend millions in this recall hack89 Sep 2013 #48

Did you try google? I know you really like gunz.com but they're not reallya reliable news source... DanTex Sep 2013 #50

"Democrats have run 2,346 of the 2,490 ads aired in the campaign" hack89 Sep 2013 #58

Does that include the ads that were not officially part of the campaigns? DanTex Sep 2013 #61

It shows how low a priority gun control is to many Dem voters hack89 Sep 2013 #67

Agreed, there is an enthusiasm gap. DanTex Sep 2013 #70

Which means that Dems need to learn from this when it comes to introducing gun control hack89 Sep 2013 #73

Build up more awareness of the harms of gun violence, develop more effective GOTV strategies. DanTex Sep 2013 #76

Simply respecting the intelligence of the voters hack89 Sep 2013 #79

Riiight. Because the Gun Lobby never rams through legislation where it sees the easy opportunity to. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #82

If you want to use NRA tactics then go ahead. hack89 Sep 2013 #83

This had nothing to do with the intelligence of voters. DanTex Sep 2013 #86

"People that disagree with me are stupid" Now that's a winning political message. hack89 Sep 2013 #88

It's not a political message. It's a political reality. Some voters are dumb. DanTex Sep 2013 #89

But of course people that agree with you cannot be dumb - correct? nt hack89 Sep 2013 #96

So I guess you don't think those creationists pushing Texas schoolbooks are dumb... DanTex Sep 2013 #99

We are discussing your hubris hack89 Sep 2013 #100

So now calling creationists dumb is "hubris"? Who knew? DanTex Sep 2013 #101

We are talking about your views on guns - please read what I actually wrote nt. hack89 Sep 2013 #102

We are talking about whether it is "hubris" to call some people dumb. DanTex Sep 2013 #104

ok nt hack89 Sep 2013 #105

So, now the mystery money pintobean Sep 2013 #78

LOL. So now the Koch brothers and AFP are "mystery money"? DanTex Sep 2013 #87

I didn't claim any of that. pintobean Sep 2013 #90

LOL. So are you part of my alerter following? DanTex Sep 2013 #98

Three more. pintobean Sep 2013 #103

I'm not sure you understand how quotes work. DanTex Sep 2013 #108

I'm not confused pintobean Sep 2013 #110

Sure sign of winning an argument: when the other person drops even the pretense DanTex Sep 2013 #113

What more can I say? pintobean Sep 2013 #121

Religion indeed! DanTex Sep 2013 #126

There's no doubt that the Koch Bros. have done that, wild bird Sep 2013 #128

I tend to agree with Obama on this. DanTex Sep 2013 #131

I agree that we can't disarm, no pun intended, wild bird Sep 2013 #133

I saw the news article pintobean Sep 2013 #130

That must have been a great day for you! Shame your alerts this thread didn't work out. DanTex Sep 2013 #135

The article that you linked to pintobean Sep 2013 #143

And we all know that elections are predicated only on votes rather than influence, money, etc. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #54

And the voters who decided to stay home and not bother to vote wild bird Sep 2013 #35

Yes they did. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #36

That's your opinion. The ones who voted for the recall would disagree with you. (n/t) spin Sep 2013 #148

My sentiments exactly!!! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #30

I thought their constituents ousted them badtoworse Sep 2013 #44

Fuck the NRA and all its apologists. forestpath Sep 2013 #66

Don't say things like that because you will upset the NRA/ALEC trolls coldmountain Sep 2013 #117

The who? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #157

Oh no, not Morlocks, not flesh eating Morlocks! wild bird Sep 2013 #160

:) nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #168

This needs to be kicked, and let me say it one more time.... madinmaryland Sep 2013 #169

I'm going to Rec every malaise Sep 2013 #170