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The sad truth is that a lot of what Putin said is correct [View all] malaise Sep 2013 OP

It makes me sick that it was Putin who said it. I wish it was someone else. idwiyo Sep 2013 #1

What makes me sad is that there are many patriotic Americans who say the same in private malaise Sep 2013 #3

Are the neo-cons on the run? Laelth Sep 2013 #28

Those who do say it in public either don't get the same attention or are dissmissed as far-left, idwiyo Sep 2013 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #4

why do you consider it as ad-hominem attack? idwiyo Sep 2013 #6

It's red-baiting. TBF Sep 2013 #30

You think my post was ad-hominem attack because I would prefer it was someone other than idwiyo Sep 2013 #32

Not quite clear on the spirit of the post, but I don't believe it's ad hominem beerandjesus Sep 2013 #44

You explained it better than I did. idwiyo Sep 2013 #131

Putin is in no way a communist muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #134

I completely agree - TBF Sep 2013 #139

If you think my post had anything to do with red-baiting, you are greatly mistaken. idwiyo Sep 2013 #172

i think your post was understandable noiretextatique Sep 2013 #190

So did I. It was pathetic. idwiyo Sep 2013 #191

It has been said quite a bit in recent years by others. But ignored. dballance Sep 2013 #121

I should have said someone with more cred. But people with more cred don't get this much attention. idwiyo Sep 2013 #129

Lots of other people have said it, but they're not nearly as famous eridani Sep 2013 #169

I know. That's what makes it so sick, I think. idwiyo Sep 2013 #171

People are 100% deluded if they think Putin gives damn about international law, human rights, peace uhnope Sep 2013 #197

You are 100% deluded if you think any leftie on DU believes that Putin is an altruist defender idwiyo Sep 2013 #220

Would it help to think that he STOLE the idea? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #205

It makes me sick that I have to agree with someone like him, precisely because I know what he is. idwiyo Sep 2013 #219

We can't play the games Republicans play.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #227

Putin kardonb Sep 2013 #206

FFS, do grow up and try to stay away from Kool-Aid if you want to be taken seriously. idwiyo Sep 2013 #221

Why are you sickabout this? vlakitti Sep 2013 #216

I would be deliriously happy if it was written by Jos� Mujica, but it wouldn't even make the news. idwiyo Sep 2013 #218

He knows how to call people out on their own rhetoric but Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #2

He may be the butcher of Grozny malaise Sep 2013 #5

He still has no moral authority. This is just a show. he's preening and mocking us. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #7

It doesn't matter whether or not he's your "moral better" sibelian Sep 2013 #9

Well said. Laelth Sep 2013 #29

That freaking simple malaise Sep 2013 #38

He's a manipulator. Ron Paul will say the exact same thing. At least Paul is a sincere ideologue. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #72

That seems like little more than an excuse to ignore the message. Marr Sep 2013 #100

I'm not ignoring the message. I've been saying it myself before Plaid the Inhaler. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #110

I understand where you're coming from. Marr Sep 2013 #122

You may adopt whatever positions makes you feel comfortable, of course. sibelian Sep 2013 #140

Yes, Afghanistan. And Chechnya and Azerbijian. He shelled Grozny killing Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #142

Point of Clarification: The Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation, invaded Afghanistan. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #166

And where was Putin? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #167

Not in the Kremlin Maedhros Sep 2013 #175

The KGB, of course being the Soviet agency that Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #179

I'm not questioning that assessment. Maedhros Sep 2013 #184

That would have been easy to check... MattSh Sep 2013 #213

You mean, like this? -- Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #224

Not a single one of these things sibelian Sep 2013 #245

No--they invaded GEORGIA, and they didn't get UN "permission" to do so, either. MADem Sep 2013 #214

Please tell me.. sendero Sep 2013 #11

Not Putin. I don't need him to be my voice for a war I oppose. I don't need Ron Paul either though Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #74

Just because Putin has no moral authority.. sendero Sep 2013 #78

Maybe you should find someone actually having the conversation you're engaged in. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #88

I'm pretty sure.. sendero Sep 2013 #97

Please cite, for the audience, who I named as my guiding moral authority. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #102

Thank you! sendero Sep 2013 #112

At DU.... go west young man Sep 2013 #123

Actually, I used Paul as a contrast. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #138

Neither does the US have any moral authority avebury Sep 2013 #17

+1 newfie11 Sep 2013 #18

Yeah and I don't listen to them either. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #34

That would be two centuries malaise Sep 2013 #37

Great vid. Thanks. go west young man Sep 2013 #124

+2 Myrina Sep 2013 #59

Putin hasn't exactly been screaming freedom and democracy while bombing people malaise Sep 2013 #35

That's pretty much what I'm saying. 80,000 casualties in Grozny, now this. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #83

Huh? n/t malaise Sep 2013 #89

I'm agreeing with your post and citing an example of why you are correct. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #90

Empires (and their representatives) never have moral authority eridani Sep 2013 #176

So he's justifying the acquisition of WMDs Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #8

He isn't "justifying" it at all, which is perfectly clear from what he actually said. sibelian Sep 2013 #14

This should be an OP malaise Sep 2013 #40

Read Russian papers?? HAHAHAHA. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #42

Please keep your responses to me pertinent. sibelian Sep 2013 #53

Oh my response was pertinent. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #65

Would you mind explaining yourself to me more clearly? sibelian Sep 2013 #246

+1000 n/t LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #155

Excellent post! BlueMTexpat Sep 2013 #208

I don't think it's true treestar Sep 2013 #10

TRUTH! wyldwolf Sep 2013 #12

What truth? Poster said "I don't think it is true" Hissyspit Sep 2013 #154

+1 n/t NealK Sep 2013 #195

+1000! eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2013 #209

Facts cannot be debunked malaise Sep 2013 #235

You are so delusional.. sendero Sep 2013 #13

I don't defend the US just because I don't find anything WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #47

Well.. sendero Sep 2013 #52

Maybe they do, and maybe I do as well. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #67

Of course he has an ulterior.. sendero Sep 2013 #71

Well yes it does negate it. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #76

So are ours.. sendero Sep 2013 #80

Yep. Both in the gutter. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #86

Sendero, I applaud your attempts at using reason to make your point. Maedhros Sep 2013 #170

Baloney treestar Sep 2013 #103

Which countries have we "bullied?" LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #211

I couldn't believe that comment either laundry_queen Sep 2013 #215

But I note you have not mentioned a single country treestar Sep 2013 #225

As I said, this list is too long. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #229

still need a sample of a single country treestar Sep 2013 #232

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #101

+1 grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #98

This is a lie! Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #132

LULZ... sendero Sep 2013 #136

Well said maddezmom Sep 2013 #16

Hypocricy rests on both sides. avebury Sep 2013 #23

I agree maddezmom Sep 2013 #26

And not only that, but, how much of what we say we are against now is a direct result of the bad we RC Sep 2013 #66

but this is a democracy in which you can protest those things if you don't like them treestar Sep 2013 #105

You are aware that the US helped avebury Sep 2013 #113

Its more like tens of millions. If not hundreds. idwiyo Sep 2013 #33

Had his nation not veto'd the UN, we'd have an international community against chemical weapons. malaise Sep 2013 #43

They vetoed the UN doing something against a chemical weapon attack treestar Sep 2013 #107

Who vetoed the Depleted Uranium in Gaza? n/t malaise Sep 2013 #119

We have chemical weapons. We are not against them. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #96

Yes we are. treestar Sep 2013 #109

It may be correct, but he doesn't believe any of it. He is just further embarassing the US The Link Sep 2013 #15

Perhaps it is all 3 of those: correct, he believes it AND it is embarassing ? KurtNYC Sep 2013 #20

It is possible, but I just don't believe that Putin is sincere in all of this. The Link Sep 2013 #21

I believe its all three: Putin knows its correct, believes it andis enjoying embaressing the Prez Pachamama Sep 2013 #63

It doesn't matter if he believes it, what matter is we put him in a position to be able to say it Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #24

I agree. Putin is the winner in this Syria situation, due to bungling by the administration. The Link Sep 2013 #25

Not just this administration. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #75

When Putin is the voice of reason Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #19

I was thinking the same thing -- How far off the rails are we ? RUSSIA is the designated driver!? KurtNYC Sep 2013 #22

I been saying this for days Hydra Sep 2013 #125

Embarrassingly enough BrainDrain Sep 2013 #27

And the corollary of that is that Obama is perceived as a loose cannon MNBrewer Sep 2013 #182

What is really sad is some of the decisions that our own avebury Sep 2013 #31

Shhhhhhhhh! malaise Sep 2013 #45

+100 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #79

Because Americans are mostly ignorant of history nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #144

The whole thing Obama said was sickening, but the worst was the "exceptionalism" shit... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #36

Agreed but apparently every American President in recent times malaise Sep 2013 #46

The "American Exceptionalism" disciples bullsnarfle Sep 2013 #60

+1 Brazillion Myrina Sep 2013 #61

Red meat to imperial citizens. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #146

it is indeed disheartening florida08 Sep 2013 #39

And before the Grand Chessboard and Brzezinski, Kissinger. n/t CRH Sep 2013 #159

ugh Kissinger...what a human florida08 Sep 2013 #161

Yeah I guess we still have to refer to psychopaths as human, ... CRH Sep 2013 #174

Putin and Assad = Stalin and Hitler tavernier Sep 2013 #41

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #57

You don't understand. To a majority here on DU Savannahmann Sep 2013 #48

How can we regard what he says as "the truth" when it is WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #56

How can we regard what he says as the truth? A Simple Game Sep 2013 #84

The truth? Well let's start with the history of Putin. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #137

In none of that do you address the issue regarding US, though MNBrewer Sep 2013 #183

Not true for him? Truth is truth no matter who says it. A Simple Game Sep 2013 #192

No not denying anything. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #242

It's politics, it's all propaganda. President Obama does it too, they all do. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2013 #244

Well, if you want to start with the history of Putin... MattSh Sep 2013 #212

Why don't you look it up. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #243

Everyone acts in their own self interest. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #116

if you know ANYTHING about american history noiretextatique Sep 2013 #193

Perhaps it's because he will never put actions to his words. randome Sep 2013 #70

I've noticed it tends to be the same people who fixate on Obama as a personality. Marr Sep 2013 #108

This ^^^^_____^^^^^ nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #149

Yes. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #156

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Sep 2013 #185

This is what it looks like to get called on your bullshit. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #49

i think putin should look at russia`s history before criticizing the usa madrchsod Sep 2013 #50

... and we in the USA should look at the US's crumbling corpse and corrupt soul... Myrina Sep 2013 #64

And that in a nutshell is why we are here malaise Sep 2013 #87

He did what he did b/c the rest of the world knows that Americans, in general, are ignorant Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #51

That was written beyond sixth grade nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #153

He's actually wrong about how the world sees the U.S. Brickbat Sep 2013 #54

Certainly true in most of the world, but not in the Middle East. pampango Sep 2013 #77

Very true. Brickbat Sep 2013 #91

If you even can extrapolate that, that means... Celefin Sep 2013 #95

k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #55

Putin is concern trolling and ProSense Sep 2013 #58

Yes, we're not any more 'exceptional' than another nation. sinkingfeeling Sep 2013 #62

The words make sense. The writer does not. randome Sep 2013 #68

He may not be wrong, but he is a flawed messenger. Mass Sep 2013 #69

Very true! randome Sep 2013 #73

What he says may be true, but he doesn't mean a word of that script. nt Zorra Sep 2013 #81

I don't give a flying fuck about Putin malaise Sep 2013 #92

I think countries that kill women and children for religious reasons imply that some countries... randome Sep 2013 #94

Yeah, I know that. It's just Putin...I mean, I was just sayin', ya know? Zorra Sep 2013 #106

Am I the only one to see the incredible cynicism of Putin WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #82

Putin may be have said austinlw Sep 2013 #99

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #111

I don't see anyone "praising" Putin. Maedhros Sep 2013 #173

Pootie Poot's letter is 95% about facing saving Botany Sep 2013 #85

The Pee Wee Herman Defence Fail: bvar22 Sep 2013 #128

Actually, they haven't done anything yet but talk. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #143

Exactly, Botany.. Thank you! Cha Sep 2013 #180

What, did you lose your pic of Obama in a swimsuit? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #202

For good or bad, it's a remarkable moment in history. Definitely, something to read and ponder. JohnnyLib2 Sep 2013 #93

So Putin read opinion polls and parroted them back and is somehow amazing? johnd83 Sep 2013 #104

Maybe Obama & Kerry should have read some opinion polls leftstreet Sep 2013 #114

I don't think war was ever really the plan johnd83 Sep 2013 #135

I guess that essay was written at too high of a level nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #147

Um, no johnd83 Sep 2013 #162

Ok. This is why the WH is touching on the paras they liked nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #163

No question about it quinnox Sep 2013 #115

This would seem to apply here . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #117

DURec for Common Sense in an atmosphere of insanity. bvar22 Sep 2013 #118

That freaking simple malaise Sep 2013 #120

This is a much better way of stating the OP. TBF Sep 2013 #141

We like to flex our muscles. Makes rich people richer ... Scuba Sep 2013 #126

The moment you realize an ex-KGB tyrant ... DesMoinesDem Sep 2013 #127

Can I steal that one? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #148

Go for it. I didn't make it. I found it on Twitter. DesMoinesDem Sep 2013 #150

It is a great graphic nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #151

Will he be trying that in Chechnya? BainsBane Sep 2013 #130

We have been hearing that American exceptionalism line for far too long. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #145

Putin wants us to do some soul searching, while he continues his arrogant path. DrewFlorida Sep 2013 #152

The value of truth is dependent upon the nature of the person stating it? Maedhros Sep 2013 #207

The USA is kind of like a brat throwing a temper tantrum paulrandfu Sep 2013 #157

...more like the Mafia. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #186

People seem to think they can dismiss one truth because of another. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #158

Thank you for that observation. sibelian Sep 2013 #247

The sad truth is that's most effective way for a bad actor to influence others. Martin Eden Sep 2013 #160

Mr. Putin should be the last person lecturing the USA. BrainMann1 Sep 2013 #164

He *should* be but alas, he's not, as he is correct. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #204

So interestingly it seems that things like jimlup Sep 2013 #165

The path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement was discarded when junior announced his indepat Sep 2013 #168

Lol, fuck Putin. toddwv Sep 2013 #177

The "Butcher of Grozny" is going to lecture the US about moral authority? ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #178

It's time for the world to be run in a different way. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #181

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #187

Not sad truth, ozone_man Sep 2013 #188

We have become a laughing stock of the world kimbutgar Sep 2013 #189

the US acts bloodthirsty, bombing, droning, starving Muslim countries WillYourVoteBCounted Sep 2013 #194

"Name any other country that has attacked as many countries as we have" NealK Sep 2013 #200

Recently? another_liberal Sep 2013 #203

Putin is not the Devil incarnate. another_liberal Sep 2013 #196

I couldn't care less about the personalities malaise Sep 2013 #198

For a Twenty-first Century American . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #199

We should all remember that Putin is not a nutral player in this sad story... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #201

We are largely serving Israel . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #210

America serves its own intersts, not Israels. Israel is our client state Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #230

Hardly . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #233

There is zero fact in your fact. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #236

We clearly have nothing to say to one another. another_liberal Sep 2013 #237

You seem determined to blame one group of people because they serve American ends. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #238

No, this time we are serving the Saudis. The Saudis have more pull than Israel, I believe. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #240

Well, I think Doolittle said it best in 'Dark Star'... Beartracks Sep 2013 #217

That simple malaise Sep 2013 #223

The world has always thought Americans are crazy B Calm Sep 2013 #222

Right message, wrong messanger! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #226

We are exceptional. Octafish Sep 2013 #228

That's the truth malaise Sep 2013 #231

+1 woo me with science Sep 2013 #239

One name: Sergei Magnitsky rumdude Sep 2013 #234

I don't give a flying fugg about Putin malaise Sep 2013 #241