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In reply to the discussion: Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder [View all]NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)39. Just a moment, CTyankee. Here is what I wrote:
18. Imagine if we concentrated on that alone with 110% of our efforts.
Instead of dicking around with trying to ostracize anyone who supports the RKBA.
The solutions lie in addressing poverty and inequity and hopelessness.
Instead of dicking around with trying to ostracize anyone who supports the RKBA.
The solutions lie in addressing poverty and inequity and hopelessness.
By "we" I mean both we as Americans, including our legislators (both parties) who are doing a damn shitty job of taking care of the middle and lower class AND elected Democrats, many of whom support outsourcing and defunding public programs and education, AND we progressives, which happens to include a small but noisy contingent who spend more time trying insulting people than anything useful.
I hate that they do, I don't really think they are progressive, but they sure send a lot of energy in a divisive direction.
I haven't missed a thing, I know what we do toward social and economic justice, but this ridiculous focus on the gun and not the root causes of the violence has got to stop.
Yellow ribbons and candlelight vigils and laws that reclassify simple rifles as Assault Weapons which must be registered is just too much bullshit and police state nonsense for me.
Proposed California Law:
By the hearing's end, the committee had voted along party lines to approve bills that would add all semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines to the state's list of banned assault weapons
I'm very disappointed in these Democrats, savvy progressives would never let the state have that much power.
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Hey billh58: From the report: "No good data on national rates of gun ownership exist"
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#58
I am not saying it is not true. There are a huge number of suicides with fire arms
Mojorabbit
Sep 2013
#120
Of course you are right. To conclude otherwise is just insane. But many of our DU friends will
Squinch
Sep 2013
#151
I might conduct a study on the incidence of the use of juvenile epithets in RKBA discussions...
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#59
It's SOP for controller banners: When debate is joined, they call it "predictable"
Eleanors38
Sep 2013
#163
Indeed. I am surprised they left out "hammers", but adding PP in there is very much a tell.
uppityperson
Sep 2013
#11
This is not a competition. If we can reduce all A B C D sources, why not do it. Non-sequitur. nt
thereismore
Sep 2013
#9
"broader social inequality, not gun ownership alone, contributes to the gun violence epidemic"
hack89
Sep 2013
#13
The Liberal/Progressive movement, of which this website is a participant, has been doing that for
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#36
I have been in this movement going back to the Vietnam Era and gun safety was an issue then
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#42
I wish I could read about more laws and more people in support of expanded gun safety courses.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#43
see my edit above for a little more of my own personal and professional involvement with the issue..
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#46
back in that day, handguns were the big issue. The Second A was still in its pre-Heller
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#52
I took a long walk down Memory Lane with that one...I haven't revisited it in years...
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#79
I have never seen a study cited on this board, or anywhere, that didn't contain lies and deception.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#20
The "noise to signal ratio" is why these topics used to be kept in the gungeon.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#89
If I were you, I'd forward your find to the BU professor. I'm sure he can issue a corrigendum
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#37
No, I have not, but if you wanted to, you could contact the prof and ask to see it....
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#113
but we know what the author examined and what the conclusions were and his methodology.
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#128
Just to add. We also know that the results are consistent with previous studies on
DanTex
Sep 2013
#134
That persuades me not to look further, but for some reason this idea of our not reading this study
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#140
Uh oh. If there's one thing the gun nuts hate more than gun control, it's science.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#22
Sort of like the non-existent Koch brothers who would *never* spend a dime of their own
DanTex
Sep 2013
#96
And thus you demonstrate (again) that yours is a faith-based movement.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#147
LOL. Kinda ironic to toss that out in a thread where gungeoneers are overtly denying science!
DanTex
Sep 2013
#153
There's no science (as of yet) to deny, in case you haven't noticed
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#160
And some here still haven't figured out what hearsay and 'argument from authority' are.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#167
Feel free at any time to refute what I say, instead of insulting me
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#169
It is technically possible that AJPH skipped the peer review. I can't refute that.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#170
I notice neither of you actually quote anybody saying what he claims.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#148
Here's some reading to keep you busy. The link between gun ownership and homicide is not new.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#34
I think I might conduct a study, base it on already skewed reports and missing data, and sell it.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#62
I have way too much regular work to do. That's not very high on my list of priorities.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#149
I'm pretty sure it was a different member who was asking folks if they have read the study.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#156
you have my apologies. Obviously, I had some confusion over who was saying what...
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#158
I think there is an important distinction to be made here between the number of guns and ...
1-Old-Man
Sep 2013
#30
True, some NRA types say such things, but none of them are posting on this board.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#56
And partly because the Constitution, our president and the Democratic party platform
hack89
Sep 2013
#104
Studies have estimated the total dollar cost of gun violence to society upwards of $100 billion
DanTex
Sep 2013
#123
New Children's Defense Fund Report Highlights NRA's Efforts to Hide the Truth About Guns
etherealtruth
Sep 2013
#124