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In reply to the discussion: Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder [View all]NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)41. Doh, forgot to include a link.
And I hate edits and the red text in a post.
California gun-control bills advance in Sacramento
SACRAMENTO -- A package of bills that would once again give California the nation's toughest gun-control laws passed a key legislative hurdle Tuesday, setting up a white-hot Capitol showdown.
By the hearing's end, the committee had voted along party lines to approve bills that would add all semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines to the state's list of banned assault weapons; ban owning any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, including existing ones; ban "bullet buttons" that allow fast swapping of rifle magazines; require long-gun buyers to pass a written safety test; and add more crimes to the list of those that would bar someone from carrying a firearm. The bills, already passed by the state Senate, are moving inexorably closer to floor votes and the governor's desk.
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California's gun laws -- including strict background checks and waiting periods for all gun purchases -- for decades made the state the most restrictive in the nation. But since December's massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., New York has leapfrogged ahead of the Golden State by toughening its assault weapons ban, expanding registration requirements and limiting magazines to seven rounds. Colorado's new gun laws, though not as tight as California's or New York's, have inspired a recall effort against two lawmakers.
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Sitting next to Steinberg was Adrienne Egeland, who was teaching kindergarten at Stockton's Cleveland Elementary School in January 1989 when a gunman killed five children and wounded 29 more -- a shooting that inspired California's assault weapons ban. Egeland, her voice shaking, testified that the children's wounds looked like those she saw simulated during her Army basic training, "and all I had was Band-Aids."
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But Worley contended that Steinberg's bill balloons the assault weapons law to include firearms that aren't even remotely of military style. Aaron Maguire, lobbyist for the California State Sheriffs' Association, called it "vastly over-inclusive of firearms that are legitimate sporting and hunting weapons." Gerald Upholt, lobbyist for the California Association of Firearms Retailers said, "You're looking at literally millions of guns" that would be affected.
the rest of the story:
http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_23856108/gun-control-bills-advance-sacramento
SACRAMENTO -- A package of bills that would once again give California the nation's toughest gun-control laws passed a key legislative hurdle Tuesday, setting up a white-hot Capitol showdown.
By the hearing's end, the committee had voted along party lines to approve bills that would add all semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines to the state's list of banned assault weapons; ban owning any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, including existing ones; ban "bullet buttons" that allow fast swapping of rifle magazines; require long-gun buyers to pass a written safety test; and add more crimes to the list of those that would bar someone from carrying a firearm. The bills, already passed by the state Senate, are moving inexorably closer to floor votes and the governor's desk.
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California's gun laws -- including strict background checks and waiting periods for all gun purchases -- for decades made the state the most restrictive in the nation. But since December's massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., New York has leapfrogged ahead of the Golden State by toughening its assault weapons ban, expanding registration requirements and limiting magazines to seven rounds. Colorado's new gun laws, though not as tight as California's or New York's, have inspired a recall effort against two lawmakers.
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Sitting next to Steinberg was Adrienne Egeland, who was teaching kindergarten at Stockton's Cleveland Elementary School in January 1989 when a gunman killed five children and wounded 29 more -- a shooting that inspired California's assault weapons ban. Egeland, her voice shaking, testified that the children's wounds looked like those she saw simulated during her Army basic training, "and all I had was Band-Aids."
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But Worley contended that Steinberg's bill balloons the assault weapons law to include firearms that aren't even remotely of military style. Aaron Maguire, lobbyist for the California State Sheriffs' Association, called it "vastly over-inclusive of firearms that are legitimate sporting and hunting weapons." Gerald Upholt, lobbyist for the California Association of Firearms Retailers said, "You're looking at literally millions of guns" that would be affected.
the rest of the story:
http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_23856108/gun-control-bills-advance-sacramento
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Hey billh58: From the report: "No good data on national rates of gun ownership exist"
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#58
I am not saying it is not true. There are a huge number of suicides with fire arms
Mojorabbit
Sep 2013
#120
Of course you are right. To conclude otherwise is just insane. But many of our DU friends will
Squinch
Sep 2013
#151
I might conduct a study on the incidence of the use of juvenile epithets in RKBA discussions...
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#59
It's SOP for controller banners: When debate is joined, they call it "predictable"
Eleanors38
Sep 2013
#163
Indeed. I am surprised they left out "hammers", but adding PP in there is very much a tell.
uppityperson
Sep 2013
#11
This is not a competition. If we can reduce all A B C D sources, why not do it. Non-sequitur. nt
thereismore
Sep 2013
#9
"broader social inequality, not gun ownership alone, contributes to the gun violence epidemic"
hack89
Sep 2013
#13
The Liberal/Progressive movement, of which this website is a participant, has been doing that for
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#36
I have been in this movement going back to the Vietnam Era and gun safety was an issue then
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#42
I wish I could read about more laws and more people in support of expanded gun safety courses.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#43
see my edit above for a little more of my own personal and professional involvement with the issue..
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#46
back in that day, handguns were the big issue. The Second A was still in its pre-Heller
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#52
I took a long walk down Memory Lane with that one...I haven't revisited it in years...
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#79
I have never seen a study cited on this board, or anywhere, that didn't contain lies and deception.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#20
The "noise to signal ratio" is why these topics used to be kept in the gungeon.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#89
If I were you, I'd forward your find to the BU professor. I'm sure he can issue a corrigendum
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#37
No, I have not, but if you wanted to, you could contact the prof and ask to see it....
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#113
but we know what the author examined and what the conclusions were and his methodology.
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#128
Just to add. We also know that the results are consistent with previous studies on
DanTex
Sep 2013
#134
That persuades me not to look further, but for some reason this idea of our not reading this study
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#140
Uh oh. If there's one thing the gun nuts hate more than gun control, it's science.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#22
Sort of like the non-existent Koch brothers who would *never* spend a dime of their own
DanTex
Sep 2013
#96
And thus you demonstrate (again) that yours is a faith-based movement.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#147
LOL. Kinda ironic to toss that out in a thread where gungeoneers are overtly denying science!
DanTex
Sep 2013
#153
There's no science (as of yet) to deny, in case you haven't noticed
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#160
And some here still haven't figured out what hearsay and 'argument from authority' are.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#167
Feel free at any time to refute what I say, instead of insulting me
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#169
It is technically possible that AJPH skipped the peer review. I can't refute that.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#170
I notice neither of you actually quote anybody saying what he claims.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#148
Here's some reading to keep you busy. The link between gun ownership and homicide is not new.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#34
I think I might conduct a study, base it on already skewed reports and missing data, and sell it.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#62
I have way too much regular work to do. That's not very high on my list of priorities.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#149
I'm pretty sure it was a different member who was asking folks if they have read the study.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#156
you have my apologies. Obviously, I had some confusion over who was saying what...
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#158
I think there is an important distinction to be made here between the number of guns and ...
1-Old-Man
Sep 2013
#30
True, some NRA types say such things, but none of them are posting on this board.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#56
And partly because the Constitution, our president and the Democratic party platform
hack89
Sep 2013
#104
Studies have estimated the total dollar cost of gun violence to society upwards of $100 billion
DanTex
Sep 2013
#123
New Children's Defense Fund Report Highlights NRA's Efforts to Hide the Truth About Guns
etherealtruth
Sep 2013
#124