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muriel_volestrangler

(106,214 posts)
72. There's hope yet for the frog:
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 04:28 PM
Sep 2013
The photo reminded me immediately of a famous biogeographic experiment performed by Thomas Barbour (1884-1946) and Philip Darlington (1904-1983), who differed over the importance of land bridges (favored by Barbour) versus overwater dispersal (favored by Darlington) in the distribution of animals on islands. The experiment and its results are handed down from one generation of graduate students to the next by a well-known oral tradition at the Museum of Comparative Zoology, but the only published account I know of is by Bob O’Hara (1988):

A how-possibly experiment performed by Philip Darlington and Thomas Barbour at the Museum of Comparative Zoology has become legendary. Darlington and Barbour were disputing the possibility of frogs being dispersed in the West Indies by hurricanes. Darlington, who believed such dispersal was possible, took a bucket of live frogs up to the roof of the Museum, and, with Barbour standing on the lawn below, proceeded to throw the frogs to the ground, one by one. As each one hit the ground, Barbour examined it and called up “That one’s dead,” “So’s that one,” and so on. But after a few minutes, much to Barbour’s disappointment, the frogs all revived and started to hop away. Darlington had thus shown that hurricane dispersal was possible, or at least had removed one of Barbour’s objections to it, namely that it would be too rough on the frogs.


To Bob’s account I would add that the MCZ is 5 stories tall, which gives you some idea how far the frogs fell in their journey to the courtyard below. Bob used the experiment to illustrate his notion of a “how possibly” experiment, which demonstrates the possibility, though not the actual occurrence, of a phenomenon.

I thought of the experiment because I wondered about the “uncertain” fate of the frog. The frog appears to be outside the plume of hot gas escaping form the rocket engine. If so, and if the clear air around it has not been super-heated, the frog could well survive the fall. Many tree frogs are adept at jumping long distances, bodies flattened and limbs spread, so that they reach a terminal velocity more dependent on aerial friction than gravity. The so-called “flying frogs” are ones that have gotten very good at this, usually with both morphological and behavioral specialiazations (see Wallace’s flying frog, an apt example for Wallace Year).

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/nasa-launches-a-frog-and-experimental-biogeograhy/

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Screw those birds, I can fly! Poor frog. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #1
The frog won't necessarily expire as a result of this. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #6
hope so! hibbing Sep 2013 #7
I hope you are right! Iliyah Sep 2013 #22
Amazing, yes. I posted it to my Facebook, people are loving it! nt NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #24
This is totally viral on FB, spreading explosively. Coyotl Sep 2013 #55
'The Frog that Didn't Croak' pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #28
Can somebody PLEASE photoshop Jerry the Tapir over that same photo? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #32
Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!! pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #33
I dont think so.. DCBob Sep 2013 #36
He was probably in the water baffles. Pretty much 0% chance he made it. Xithras Sep 2013 #66
I really hope he made it, so many disappearing these days. Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #37
love it! boston bean Sep 2013 #2
Top of the World, Mom! FSogol Sep 2013 #3
one small hop for frog...one giant leap for frogkind Baclava Sep 2013 #4
Or, vice-versa. LOL Coyotl Sep 2013 #5
Poor froggy. Solly Mack Sep 2013 #8
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth petronius Sep 2013 #9
We've got the battletoads, now where's double dragon? n/t X_Digger Sep 2013 #10
It looks like it's doing the Kermit flail. Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #11
Kermit's attempt to compete with Super Grover? n/t krispos42 Sep 2013 #12
Games packman Sep 2013 #13
Heh. Berlin Expat Sep 2013 #14
Coyotl Diclotican Sep 2013 #15
better to burn out than to fade away Supersedeas Sep 2013 #16
Reminds me of the time.... mockmonkey Sep 2013 #17
would never harm a frog. (except for fetish reasons) tkmorris Sep 2013 #18
Think "duct tape". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #44
Jesus! Not when I have a mouthful of coffee! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #26
Poor little frog. UtahLib Sep 2013 #19
Reminds me of.... AnneD Sep 2013 #20
If you listen to the recording of the lift off... Javaman Sep 2013 #21
Ground Control to Major Tom backwoodsbob Sep 2013 #23
"And I'm floating in a most peculiar way" suffragette Sep 2013 #64
That's no frog! That's Ryan Seacrest! Octafish Sep 2013 #25
Or it may be Newt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #31
Newt looks just like John Wayne Gacy in that pic! Tanuki Sep 2013 #68
I know the article says that NASA confirmed the picture, but honestly, Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #27
As a toad , I have to say Cryptoad Sep 2013 #29
probably just perspective.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #30
Two dimensional illusion. Frogs in mirror may be closer than they appear. nolabear Sep 2013 #42
RIP but he's no Space Bat! RandiFan1290 Sep 2013 #34
the frog is winning Enrique Sep 2013 #35
Oh no, no, no, I'm a rocket frog... pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #43
i love that song! Enrique Sep 2013 #45
And 'Saturday Night's Alright for Froggy' pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #46
Doesn't look like a frog to me Catherine Vincent Sep 2013 #38
Looks like he is having a blast bpositive Sep 2013 #39
If frog legs show up on the Lounge lunch menu, I'm gonna be suspicious....... lastlib Sep 2013 #40
Pluck... Gary 50 Sep 2013 #41
A very local reference.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #47
A novelty song about Chula Vista, CA uses that for its opening pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #48
The Rocket Frog made it: Are_grits_groceries Sep 2013 #49
*snort* pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #50
frog says to his buddies... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #51
It's Felix! What fun to return and read all the comments! Coyotl Sep 2013 #52
NASA may be guilty of angel823 Sep 2013 #53
Boink. Scurrilous Sep 2013 #54
All you doubting Thomases, NASA has posted a photo on their domain here: Coyotl Sep 2013 #56
I'm alive!!!!!!!! n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #58
Don't forget Peter, who said, "I don't know that frog." pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #61
How do we know that's a frog Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #57
Listen to the audio. There's a really loud CROAK. Coyotl Sep 2013 #60
Isn't that the noise Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #65
Obviously NASA does not want us to know about their super secret Rex Sep 2013 #59
Froggie: "Dude,hold my beer and watch this". sufrommich Sep 2013 #62
Hope he made it. What a story he'll have for the tadpoles! DirkGently Sep 2013 #63
Lol suffragette Sep 2013 #67
They are already calling 'Flyboy' the legendary Neal Armstrong of Herpatology Coyotl Sep 2013 #69
Kermit Wait! Wolf Frankula Sep 2013 #70
Froggy is only the latest in a long line of critters disturbed by rocket launches LongTomH Sep 2013 #71
There's hope yet for the frog: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #72
The image in post 52 is Wallace's flying frog. Coyotl Sep 2013 #73
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