General Discussion

rumdude

(448 posts)

234. One name: Sergei Magnitsky

Fri Sep 13, 2013, 06:32 PM

Sep 2013

Learn what happened to Sergei, and you will learn everything you need to know about the Putin government and the power structure that surrounds it.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

247 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

The sad truth is that a lot of what Putin said is correct [View all] malaise Sep 2013 OP

It makes me sick that it was Putin who said it. I wish it was someone else. idwiyo Sep 2013 #1

What makes me sad is that there are many patriotic Americans who say the same in private malaise Sep 2013 #3

Are the neo-cons on the run? Laelth Sep 2013 #28

Those who do say it in public either don't get the same attention or are dissmissed as far-left, idwiyo Sep 2013 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #4

why do you consider it as ad-hominem attack? idwiyo Sep 2013 #6

It's red-baiting. TBF Sep 2013 #30

You think my post was ad-hominem attack because I would prefer it was someone other than idwiyo Sep 2013 #32

Not quite clear on the spirit of the post, but I don't believe it's ad hominem beerandjesus Sep 2013 #44

You explained it better than I did. idwiyo Sep 2013 #131

Putin is in no way a communist muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #134

I completely agree - TBF Sep 2013 #139

If you think my post had anything to do with red-baiting, you are greatly mistaken. idwiyo Sep 2013 #172

i think your post was understandable noiretextatique Sep 2013 #190

So did I. It was pathetic. idwiyo Sep 2013 #191

It has been said quite a bit in recent years by others. But ignored. dballance Sep 2013 #121

I should have said someone with more cred. But people with more cred don't get this much attention. idwiyo Sep 2013 #129

Lots of other people have said it, but they're not nearly as famous eridani Sep 2013 #169

I know. That's what makes it so sick, I think. idwiyo Sep 2013 #171

People are 100% deluded if they think Putin gives damn about international law, human rights, peace uhnope Sep 2013 #197

You are 100% deluded if you think any leftie on DU believes that Putin is an altruist defender idwiyo Sep 2013 #220

Would it help to think that he STOLE the idea? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #205

It makes me sick that I have to agree with someone like him, precisely because I know what he is. idwiyo Sep 2013 #219

We can't play the games Republicans play.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #227

Putin kardonb Sep 2013 #206

FFS, do grow up and try to stay away from Kool-Aid if you want to be taken seriously. idwiyo Sep 2013 #221

Why are you sickabout this? vlakitti Sep 2013 #216

I would be deliriously happy if it was written by Jos� Mujica, but it wouldn't even make the news. idwiyo Sep 2013 #218

He knows how to call people out on their own rhetoric but Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #2

He may be the butcher of Grozny malaise Sep 2013 #5

He still has no moral authority. This is just a show. he's preening and mocking us. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #7

It doesn't matter whether or not he's your "moral better" sibelian Sep 2013 #9

Well said. Laelth Sep 2013 #29

That freaking simple malaise Sep 2013 #38

He's a manipulator. Ron Paul will say the exact same thing. At least Paul is a sincere ideologue. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #72

That seems like little more than an excuse to ignore the message. Marr Sep 2013 #100

I'm not ignoring the message. I've been saying it myself before Plaid the Inhaler. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #110

I understand where you're coming from. Marr Sep 2013 #122

You may adopt whatever positions makes you feel comfortable, of course. sibelian Sep 2013 #140

Yes, Afghanistan. And Chechnya and Azerbijian. He shelled Grozny killing Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #142

Point of Clarification: The Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation, invaded Afghanistan. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #166

And where was Putin? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #167

Not in the Kremlin Maedhros Sep 2013 #175

The KGB, of course being the Soviet agency that Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #179

I'm not questioning that assessment. Maedhros Sep 2013 #184

That would have been easy to check... MattSh Sep 2013 #213

You mean, like this? -- Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #224

Not a single one of these things sibelian Sep 2013 #245

No--they invaded GEORGIA, and they didn't get UN "permission" to do so, either. MADem Sep 2013 #214

Please tell me.. sendero Sep 2013 #11

Not Putin. I don't need him to be my voice for a war I oppose. I don't need Ron Paul either though Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #74

Just because Putin has no moral authority.. sendero Sep 2013 #78

Maybe you should find someone actually having the conversation you're engaged in. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #88

I'm pretty sure.. sendero Sep 2013 #97

Please cite, for the audience, who I named as my guiding moral authority. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #102

Thank you! sendero Sep 2013 #112

At DU.... go west young man Sep 2013 #123

Actually, I used Paul as a contrast. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #138

Neither does the US have any moral authority avebury Sep 2013 #17

+1 newfie11 Sep 2013 #18

Yeah and I don't listen to them either. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #34

That would be two centuries malaise Sep 2013 #37

Great vid. Thanks. go west young man Sep 2013 #124

+2 Myrina Sep 2013 #59

Putin hasn't exactly been screaming freedom and democracy while bombing people malaise Sep 2013 #35

That's pretty much what I'm saying. 80,000 casualties in Grozny, now this. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #83

Huh? n/t malaise Sep 2013 #89

I'm agreeing with your post and citing an example of why you are correct. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #90

Empires (and their representatives) never have moral authority eridani Sep 2013 #176

So he's justifying the acquisition of WMDs Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #8

He isn't "justifying" it at all, which is perfectly clear from what he actually said. sibelian Sep 2013 #14

This should be an OP malaise Sep 2013 #40

Read Russian papers?? HAHAHAHA. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #42

Please keep your responses to me pertinent. sibelian Sep 2013 #53

Oh my response was pertinent. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #65

Would you mind explaining yourself to me more clearly? sibelian Sep 2013 #246

+1000 n/t LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #155

Excellent post! BlueMTexpat Sep 2013 #208

I don't think it's true treestar Sep 2013 #10

TRUTH! wyldwolf Sep 2013 #12

What truth? Poster said "I don't think it is true" Hissyspit Sep 2013 #154

+1 n/t NealK Sep 2013 #195

+1000! eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2013 #209

Facts cannot be debunked malaise Sep 2013 #235

You are so delusional.. sendero Sep 2013 #13

I don't defend the US just because I don't find anything WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #47

Well.. sendero Sep 2013 #52

Maybe they do, and maybe I do as well. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #67

Of course he has an ulterior.. sendero Sep 2013 #71

Well yes it does negate it. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #76

So are ours.. sendero Sep 2013 #80

Yep. Both in the gutter. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #86

Sendero, I applaud your attempts at using reason to make your point. Maedhros Sep 2013 #170

Baloney treestar Sep 2013 #103

Which countries have we "bullied?" LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #211

I couldn't believe that comment either laundry_queen Sep 2013 #215

But I note you have not mentioned a single country treestar Sep 2013 #225

As I said, this list is too long. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #229

still need a sample of a single country treestar Sep 2013 #232

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #101

+1 grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #98

This is a lie! Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #132

LULZ... sendero Sep 2013 #136

Well said maddezmom Sep 2013 #16

Hypocricy rests on both sides. avebury Sep 2013 #23

I agree maddezmom Sep 2013 #26

And not only that, but, how much of what we say we are against now is a direct result of the bad we RC Sep 2013 #66

but this is a democracy in which you can protest those things if you don't like them treestar Sep 2013 #105

You are aware that the US helped avebury Sep 2013 #113

Its more like tens of millions. If not hundreds. idwiyo Sep 2013 #33

Had his nation not veto'd the UN, we'd have an international community against chemical weapons. malaise Sep 2013 #43

They vetoed the UN doing something against a chemical weapon attack treestar Sep 2013 #107

Who vetoed the Depleted Uranium in Gaza? n/t malaise Sep 2013 #119

We have chemical weapons. We are not against them. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #96

Yes we are. treestar Sep 2013 #109

It may be correct, but he doesn't believe any of it. He is just further embarassing the US The Link Sep 2013 #15

Perhaps it is all 3 of those: correct, he believes it AND it is embarassing ? KurtNYC Sep 2013 #20

It is possible, but I just don't believe that Putin is sincere in all of this. The Link Sep 2013 #21

I believe its all three: Putin knows its correct, believes it andis enjoying embaressing the Prez Pachamama Sep 2013 #63

It doesn't matter if he believes it, what matter is we put him in a position to be able to say it Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #24

I agree. Putin is the winner in this Syria situation, due to bungling by the administration. The Link Sep 2013 #25

Not just this administration. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #75

When Putin is the voice of reason Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #19

I was thinking the same thing -- How far off the rails are we ? RUSSIA is the designated driver!? KurtNYC Sep 2013 #22

I been saying this for days Hydra Sep 2013 #125

Embarrassingly enough BrainDrain Sep 2013 #27

And the corollary of that is that Obama is perceived as a loose cannon MNBrewer Sep 2013 #182

What is really sad is some of the decisions that our own avebury Sep 2013 #31

Shhhhhhhhh! malaise Sep 2013 #45

+100 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #79

Because Americans are mostly ignorant of history nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #144

The whole thing Obama said was sickening, but the worst was the "exceptionalism" shit... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #36

Agreed but apparently every American President in recent times malaise Sep 2013 #46

The "American Exceptionalism" disciples bullsnarfle Sep 2013 #60

+1 Brazillion Myrina Sep 2013 #61

Red meat to imperial citizens. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #146

it is indeed disheartening florida08 Sep 2013 #39

And before the Grand Chessboard and Brzezinski, Kissinger. n/t CRH Sep 2013 #159

ugh Kissinger...what a human florida08 Sep 2013 #161

Yeah I guess we still have to refer to psychopaths as human, ... CRH Sep 2013 #174

Putin and Assad = Stalin and Hitler tavernier Sep 2013 #41

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #57

You don't understand. To a majority here on DU Savannahmann Sep 2013 #48

How can we regard what he says as "the truth" when it is WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #56

How can we regard what he says as the truth? A Simple Game Sep 2013 #84

The truth? Well let's start with the history of Putin. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #137

In none of that do you address the issue regarding US, though MNBrewer Sep 2013 #183

Not true for him? Truth is truth no matter who says it. A Simple Game Sep 2013 #192

No not denying anything. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #242

It's politics, it's all propaganda. President Obama does it too, they all do. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2013 #244

Well, if you want to start with the history of Putin... MattSh Sep 2013 #212

Why don't you look it up. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #243

Everyone acts in their own self interest. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #116

if you know ANYTHING about american history noiretextatique Sep 2013 #193

Perhaps it's because he will never put actions to his words. randome Sep 2013 #70

I've noticed it tends to be the same people who fixate on Obama as a personality. Marr Sep 2013 #108

This ^^^^_____^^^^^ nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #149

Yes. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #156

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Sep 2013 #185

This is what it looks like to get called on your bullshit. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #49

i think putin should look at russia`s history before criticizing the usa madrchsod Sep 2013 #50

... and we in the USA should look at the US's crumbling corpse and corrupt soul... Myrina Sep 2013 #64

And that in a nutshell is why we are here malaise Sep 2013 #87

He did what he did b/c the rest of the world knows that Americans, in general, are ignorant Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #51

That was written beyond sixth grade nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #153

He's actually wrong about how the world sees the U.S. Brickbat Sep 2013 #54

Certainly true in most of the world, but not in the Middle East. pampango Sep 2013 #77

Very true. Brickbat Sep 2013 #91

If you even can extrapolate that, that means... Celefin Sep 2013 #95

k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #55

Putin is concern trolling and ProSense Sep 2013 #58

Yes, we're not any more 'exceptional' than another nation. sinkingfeeling Sep 2013 #62

The words make sense. The writer does not. randome Sep 2013 #68

He may not be wrong, but he is a flawed messenger. Mass Sep 2013 #69

Very true! randome Sep 2013 #73

What he says may be true, but he doesn't mean a word of that script. nt Zorra Sep 2013 #81

I don't give a flying fuck about Putin malaise Sep 2013 #92

I think countries that kill women and children for religious reasons imply that some countries... randome Sep 2013 #94

Yeah, I know that. It's just Putin...I mean, I was just sayin', ya know? Zorra Sep 2013 #106

Am I the only one to see the incredible cynicism of Putin WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #82

Putin may be have said austinlw Sep 2013 #99

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #111

I don't see anyone "praising" Putin. Maedhros Sep 2013 #173

Pootie Poot's letter is 95% about facing saving Botany Sep 2013 #85

The Pee Wee Herman Defence Fail: bvar22 Sep 2013 #128

Actually, they haven't done anything yet but talk. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #143

Exactly, Botany.. Thank you! Cha Sep 2013 #180

What, did you lose your pic of Obama in a swimsuit? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #202

For good or bad, it's a remarkable moment in history. Definitely, something to read and ponder. JohnnyLib2 Sep 2013 #93

So Putin read opinion polls and parroted them back and is somehow amazing? johnd83 Sep 2013 #104

Maybe Obama & Kerry should have read some opinion polls leftstreet Sep 2013 #114

I don't think war was ever really the plan johnd83 Sep 2013 #135

I guess that essay was written at too high of a level nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #147

Um, no johnd83 Sep 2013 #162

Ok. This is why the WH is touching on the paras they liked nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #163

No question about it quinnox Sep 2013 #115

This would seem to apply here . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #117

DURec for Common Sense in an atmosphere of insanity. bvar22 Sep 2013 #118

That freaking simple malaise Sep 2013 #120

This is a much better way of stating the OP. TBF Sep 2013 #141

We like to flex our muscles. Makes rich people richer ... Scuba Sep 2013 #126

The moment you realize an ex-KGB tyrant ... DesMoinesDem Sep 2013 #127

Can I steal that one? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #148

Go for it. I didn't make it. I found it on Twitter. DesMoinesDem Sep 2013 #150

It is a great graphic nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #151

Will he be trying that in Chechnya? BainsBane Sep 2013 #130

We have been hearing that American exceptionalism line for far too long. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #145

Putin wants us to do some soul searching, while he continues his arrogant path. DrewFlorida Sep 2013 #152

The value of truth is dependent upon the nature of the person stating it? Maedhros Sep 2013 #207

The USA is kind of like a brat throwing a temper tantrum paulrandfu Sep 2013 #157

...more like the Mafia. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #186

People seem to think they can dismiss one truth because of another. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #158

Thank you for that observation. sibelian Sep 2013 #247

The sad truth is that's most effective way for a bad actor to influence others. Martin Eden Sep 2013 #160

Mr. Putin should be the last person lecturing the USA. BrainMann1 Sep 2013 #164

He *should* be but alas, he's not, as he is correct. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #204

So interestingly it seems that things like jimlup Sep 2013 #165

The path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement was discarded when junior announced his indepat Sep 2013 #168

Lol, fuck Putin. toddwv Sep 2013 #177

The "Butcher of Grozny" is going to lecture the US about moral authority? ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #178

It's time for the world to be run in a different way. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #181

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #187

Not sad truth, ozone_man Sep 2013 #188

We have become a laughing stock of the world kimbutgar Sep 2013 #189

the US acts bloodthirsty, bombing, droning, starving Muslim countries WillYourVoteBCounted Sep 2013 #194

"Name any other country that has attacked as many countries as we have" NealK Sep 2013 #200

Recently? another_liberal Sep 2013 #203

Putin is not the Devil incarnate. another_liberal Sep 2013 #196

I couldn't care less about the personalities malaise Sep 2013 #198

For a Twenty-first Century American . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #199

We should all remember that Putin is not a nutral player in this sad story... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #201

We are largely serving Israel . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #210

America serves its own intersts, not Israels. Israel is our client state Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #230

Hardly . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #233

There is zero fact in your fact. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #236

We clearly have nothing to say to one another. another_liberal Sep 2013 #237

You seem determined to blame one group of people because they serve American ends. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #238

No, this time we are serving the Saudis. The Saudis have more pull than Israel, I believe. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #240

Well, I think Doolittle said it best in 'Dark Star'... Beartracks Sep 2013 #217

That simple malaise Sep 2013 #223

The world has always thought Americans are crazy B Calm Sep 2013 #222

Right message, wrong messanger! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #226

We are exceptional. Octafish Sep 2013 #228

That's the truth malaise Sep 2013 #231

+1 woo me with science Sep 2013 #239

One name: Sergei Magnitsky rumdude Sep 2013 #234

I don't give a flying fugg about Putin malaise Sep 2013 #241