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99. It's not much of a real Democratic party anymore anyway.

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Fri Sep 13, 2013, 09:27 PM

Sep 2013

Clinton changed it a lot and IMO not for the better.

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I'm sorry but the Democratic Party is not doing its job. [View all] kentuck Sep 2013 OP

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #1

The irony is that the Republicans Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #2

I think it's deception, not irony. FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #7

I really hope it isn't that way Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #9

That is exactly what is happening. sendero Sep 2013 #26

Sad but true. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #71

It is certainly deception. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #123

The Dems behaved that way when they had a majority in the House, too. arcane1 Sep 2013 #102

"acting like" Enthusiast Sep 2013 #124

The Democratic Party is bringing home the bacon.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #3

. . . for those who OWN the Democratic Party. That's its job. leveymg Sep 2013 #203

Don't be sorry, they're not leftstreet Sep 2013 #4

... woo me with science Sep 2013 #5

That is a depressing list. bvar22 Sep 2013 #37

The greatest mandate in history. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #126

Muchas gracias for the great links red dog 1 Sep 2013 #59

Wow...that's fucking depressing...n/t dorkzilla Sep 2013 #85

Here's a brand spanking new one for the list Doctor_J Sep 2013 #101

Thank you. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #215

The cumulative drip-drip-drip of right-wing policies and actions is indepat Sep 2013 #105

Also, Dems put in Repub choice for FBI, CIA, etc. Festivito Sep 2013 #131

Thanks "Woo" for the updated list...So much to be concerned about going forward. KoKo Sep 2013 #223

Like Kucinich told Kashkari, Paulson's aide - truedelphi Sep 2013 #6

+10 RC Sep 2013 #8

facing the other direction and moved to the right. obxhead Sep 2013 #13

It sure seems that way, doesn't it? RC Sep 2013 #25

LOL Enthusiast Sep 2013 #128

Like this? bvar22 Sep 2013 #49

Saved me the trouble. RC Sep 2013 #56

Quick and Dirty. bvar22 Sep 2013 #65

I would make the background color on "THIS SPACE AVAILABLE" green. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #193

Kucinich! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #127

Dalai Lama has a great quote about not ever giving up: truedelphi Sep 2013 #10

I really wish you would take out the "I'm sorry" in the title. woo me with science Sep 2013 #11

On the contrary we should all be sorry. Doctor_J Sep 2013 #104

Yet our country is exceptional don't you know. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #12

Exceptional in so many wrong ways... DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #122

The Fascists are going to correct that little health care disparity Enthusiast Sep 2013 #129

I highly doubt that DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #199

I think the Democrats are in denial about how bad the GOP has gotten starroute Sep 2013 #14

The term you're looking for is "Banana Republic" [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #19

That might be it....nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #130

More and more, Harry Reid looks like the biggest dumbass of all... kentuck Sep 2013 #20

He isn't stupid he's complicit. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #72

I disagree. Blanks Sep 2013 #34

I would agree that Democrats need to be in control of the House whenever... kentuck Sep 2013 #35

There's always something that needs fixed... Blanks Sep 2013 #68

The Democratic Party is in denial about how bad the Democratic Party has gotten.. bvar22 Sep 2013 #55

FDR was spot on! DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #82

I don't know. that's probably wishful thinking Doctor_J Sep 2013 #100

I'll see that and raise you Phlem Sep 2013 #117

The trouble is that it's not perfect sync starroute Sep 2013 #164

Actually, it IS fascism... DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #205

"Great Recession" hibbing Sep 2013 #15

good point. kentuck Sep 2013 #21

It seems to we tried, but the Republicans insisted on calling it the Obama recession. RC Sep 2013 #61

Bill Clinton laid the groundwork by signing the Gramm�Leach�Bliley Act mick063 Sep 2013 #98

TPTB used the artificial smokescreen of right wing Enthusiast Sep 2013 #134

That's the untrue right wing crapola. Festivito Sep 2013 #141

Veto-proof. Bohunk68 Sep 2013 #155

A veto would have had two bad consequences. Festivito Sep 2013 #163

I disagree. bvar22 Sep 2013 #190

No. It is the postings ignoring that ALL Republicans and SOME Democrats supported it. Festivito Sep 2013 #208

Nope. Lets ask Bill himself. bvar22 Sep 2013 #216

And his self-effacing tacit rhetoric noting limitations proves its all the Democrat's fault -- How? Festivito Sep 2013 #219

When the Democrat is at fault, bvar22 Sep 2013 #221

.. because I say so. It all sounds imperious. Festivito Sep 2013 #222

Every Human Being has the right to assign responsibility. bvar22 Sep 2013 #224

Please do not lie to us. mick063 Sep 2013 #191

100% Repubs with just enough Dems to make it veto proof. Festivito Sep 2013 #206

Blaming Republicans is a given. They do not need to be part of the discussion. mick063 Sep 2013 #209

Foolishly ridiculous statement. If voters were informed .. MAYBE! They're NOT! Festivito Sep 2013 #210

Sorry mick063 Sep 2013 #211

That other response above looks like another name responding as you would. Festivito Sep 2013 #220

Limbaugh was calling it the "Obama Recession" before the inauguration in 2008. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #133

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #174

All very good points, including the "I'm sorry" comment. SmittynMo Sep 2013 #16

All those things you listed Cryptoad Sep 2013 #17

30 years of incompetence. kentuck Sep 2013 #22

This is just inane tkmorris Sep 2013 #23

Governing is Cryptoad Sep 2013 #28

When was the last time the GOP compromised? kentuck Sep 2013 #30

Agreed Cryptoad Sep 2013 #31

I was not focusing on the President. kentuck Sep 2013 #32

Seeing that the White House is Cryptoad Sep 2013 #41

The Democrats hold the Senate and the White House Fumesucker Sep 2013 #78

Senate rules are not changed that easily ,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #84

After you made an outright error saying the Dems only hold the White House Fumesucker Sep 2013 #86

You seem to have a problem reading. I did not say what you just said I said Cryptoad Sep 2013 #89

The Repubs seem to "control" the Senate just fine with less than fifty votes Fumesucker Sep 2013 #95

Yep if you have 41 votes in the Seante Cryptoad Sep 2013 #149

Let me guess what your point is. If you vote for Republicans, life would be worse, therefore rhett o rick Sep 2013 #115

YOu need to study Cryptoad Sep 2013 #154

Ahh yes. The "Be Happy with What You Got" Theory. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #170

Ahh yes ,,,, the ole associate FAllacy Cryptoad Sep 2013 #177

I am so relieved, then! rusty fender Sep 2013 #120

Yay! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #136

RW authoritarians do not compromise, they want to be told what to do. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #111

You're in an echo chamber treestar Sep 2013 #175

I didn't list too many specific Dem failures in my post tkmorris Sep 2013 #42

ummm Cryptoad Sep 2013 #46

HEY!!! Jack gave away the family cow, bvar22 Sep 2013 #90

When one side compromises (Democrats),, ,, , ,, ,,, ,, blackspade Sep 2013 #125

The interests of the working class are the only things being compromised. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #135

+1000 RC Sep 2013 #33

Our Problems Cryptoad Sep 2013 #43

So, dgibby Sep 2013 #50

I think Obama Cryptoad Sep 2013 #57

NOBODY believes those things. No one. tkmorris Sep 2013 #67

well you are surly entitled to your opinion..... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #73

The President can not believe that. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #137

Larry Summers is just a symptom of the Democratic Party sickness. RC Sep 2013 #51

I sure rather have The Democrats Cryptoad Sep 2013 #62

What you are saying Right of Center is OK with you? RC Sep 2013 #64

No that is not what I am saying,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #75

Yes you are. You're not fooling anyone. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #212

Funny yet you can not cite the post Cryptoad Sep 2013 #218

Larry Summers is Republican wearing the clothes of a Democrat. progressoid Sep 2013 #119

Yes we must pruge Cryptoad Sep 2013 #178

You nailed it. truedelphi Sep 2013 #108

the Democratic Party is not unABLE to raise taxes on the wealthy hfojvt Sep 2013 #18

Do tell Cryptoad Sep 2013 #24

you may remember when hfojvt Sep 2013 #45

First things first Cryptoad Sep 2013 #47

Democrats controlled both houses of Congress for the first two years of Pres. Obama's first term. smokey nj Sep 2013 #53

Filibuster rules are not up for change at any time. nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #60

They could have been changed at any point. smokey nj Sep 2013 #63

Well there some Cryptoad Sep 2013 #70

They could have changed them. Period. smokey nj Sep 2013 #74

Just because Ried says he can change them doesnt make it so.... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #77

You are wrong. smokey nj Sep 2013 #79

Sorry Cryptoad Sep 2013 #81

The rules of the Senate can be changed, they are not written in stone. smokey nj Sep 2013 #87

I did not say that Senate rules could not be changed,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #88

It's called the Nuclear Option: smokey nj Sep 2013 #92

I know what it is called Cryptoad Sep 2013 #93

You don't know what you're talking about and I'm tired of arguing with you. smokey nj Sep 2013 #94

you still have not provide any support of your arguement.... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #96

Can the rules of the Senate be changed? Yes. I proved my point. smokey nj Sep 2013 #97

But yoiu did not prove that this Senate had the votes to change it! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #144

Yes, I did. smokey nj Sep 2013 #147

Only thing you have proved is Cryptoad Sep 2013 #156

I have proven my point. It's not my problem you refuse to believe it. smokey nj Sep 2013 #161

You have presented no proof Cryptoad Sep 2013 #168

What proof have you provided? None. smokey nj Sep 2013 #171

You made the claim,,,,,the burden of proof is yours Cryptoad Sep 2013 #172

Here's your proof: smokey nj Sep 2013 #179

Seems you do not understand the difference Cryptoad Sep 2013 #182

I'm done with you. smokey nj Sep 2013 #183

Yes Cryptoad Sep 2013 #184

You've lost every debate in this thread. Looks like you need the first rule of holes - when smokey nj Sep 2013 #185

You are entitled to your opinion,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #186

Grow up. smokey nj Sep 2013 #187

Never Cryptoad Sep 2013 #188

The fact remains the Democrats extended the Bush tax cuts with President Obama leading the way. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #139

The fact remains that Bush tax cut deal was part of a big compormise,,,,,, which was force by Cryptoad Sep 2013 #145

We had the presidency and both houses of congress. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #148

WE have had control of the Senate Cryptoad Sep 2013 #151

The Bush tax cuts were to expire automatically. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #138

once again Cryptoad Sep 2013 #146

We did not have to deal. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #150

you have to deal Cryptoad Sep 2013 #152

The core principle of the Obama campaign was to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #157

What part of Cryptoad Sep 2013 #158

The Bush tax cuts would have expired automatically! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #180

I have not said that they would not have expired automatically Cryptoad Sep 2013 #181

No one was forced into anything. Obama gave away the tax cut expiration. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #198

Not having control of Congress forces you may deals with the Devil (GOP) Cryptoad Sep 2013 #200

Not having control of your integrity forces you to make deals with the devil. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #201

integrity and politicans ,,,,, oil and water Cryptoad Sep 2013 #202

If Obama had done nothing, the bush tax cuts would have expired automatically. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #112

Thank you. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #140

Amen! smokey nj Sep 2013 #165

And we would not be talking about sequestration or not extending the debt limit or the other crap... kentuck Sep 2013 #167

WORD. mahina Sep 2013 #27

And some are actively screwing/tring to screw us, i.e. re TPP. And by some, I mean none other than MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #29

It's doing what it's paid to do. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #36

perfect metaphor eom florida08 Sep 2013 #48

The two-party system has achieved in ruining this nation. bigwillq Sep 2013 #38

It's our fault, really, because MNBrewer Sep 2013 #39

Because Mainstream Democrats when they get a Majority Wolf Frankula Sep 2013 #40

agree mtasselin Sep 2013 #44

Led by Obama, their job is working for the 1% now. forestpath Sep 2013 #52

"...To understand this, you have to go back to what [the] young brother here referred to jtuck004 Sep 2013 #54

Read Brother Malcolm's wikiquote page Hydra Sep 2013 #83

"It is impossible for capitalism to survive, primarily because the system of capitalism needs... jtuck004 Sep 2013 #91

NP Hydra Sep 2013 #114

It's doing a job. Question is, who's it working for? n/t winter is coming Sep 2013 #58

�Where are they going to go?� AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #66

Yep. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #76

Obama didn't have the backing ... the depth into the Party politics. Not being an "insider" libdem4life Sep 2013 #69

Would having her as president prevent TPP? Prevent KeystoneXL? Get the banksters prosecuted? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #103

Unfortunately, the reality is not to my personal liking. But I read the following article libdem4life Sep 2013 #106

Wait. They said the same about Hill in 2008. We have much better options:) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #113

No Hillary. Absolutely not. blackspade Sep 2013 #132

Or maybe it's changed its job description... polichick Sep 2013 #80

It's not much of a real Democratic party anymore anyway. L0oniX Sep 2013 #99

The Democratic Party hasn't been doing its job since 2000. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #107

a little longer than that. bvar22 Sep 2013 #217

funny how the minority has no trouble calling the shots nashville_brook Sep 2013 #109

With the public opinion on the NSA and Syria and with more and more liberal candidates putting up a liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #110

It's because most of the Democrats in Congress have to get funding from the WCGreen Sep 2013 #116

That is a big part of it Kolesar Sep 2013 #160

Of course thy're doing their job. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #118

+1000 blackspade Sep 2013 #121

Hi MichaelKelley Sep 2013 #142

FIND THE CENTER blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #143

du rec. xchrom Sep 2013 #153

It's your fault if you haven't been organizing Kolesar Sep 2013 #159

Space available ... Scuba Sep 2013 #162

Someone else's fault. Not Obama, not our leadership, really it's something or some entity... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #166

This is so important because there are some who would rather fight you here than fight FOR LaydeeBug Sep 2013 #169

What is a party's "job?" treestar Sep 2013 #173

Maybe we have a bad "product". Think that could be the thing? An entire market is being ignored. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #176

Pretty much the same thing as the posters here Puglover Sep 2013 #213

kentuck heaven05 Sep 2013 #189

Mainstream media could with ease help America polynomial Sep 2013 #192

I'm a little confused kentuck Oilwellian Sep 2013 #194

I'll check it out?? kentuck Sep 2013 #204

kick woo me with science Sep 2013 #195

For a long time now!!!!!!!!!! BlueJac Sep 2013 #196

Sure they are. Bonhomme Richard Sep 2013 #197

"They have no passion for a fight." Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #207

At this point the Democratic Party is not only not doing its job, woo me with science Sep 2013 #214