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Summer Hathaway

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148. Been there, done that.

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 01:26 AM

Sep 2013

It is a - a charming peccadillo? - of we night-owls, often offering up our best arguments in response to posts as we saw them at the time, only to realize in the morning that what we thought we saw wasn't really there.

And I, too, stand by my statement that people who most often feel a "need" to talk about how hard they campaigned for Obama are trying to push their "Dem creds" with all the sincerity of a door-to-door vacuum-cleaner salesman.

I think Bluestreak very much advocated ignoring Putin's behavior by saying, "And agreeing with what Putin wrote has no bearing whatsoever on any gay issues. He didn't write anything about gay issues in that column."

Again there is this notion that one should not consider the man behind the words, because these particular NYT's words "have no bearing whatsoever on any gay issues". And yet again, I wouldn't invite Jews to take to heart Hitler's writings on things that "have no bearing whatsoever on The Final Solution.

When there is a need to separate the man from the words, it is only because the man is suspect - which makes his words worthless.

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I thought DU was pro gay rights??? (Genuinely hurt) [View all] NewsCenter28 Sep 2013 OP

Chemical weapons don't discriminate. n/t mia Sep 2013 #1

The thread you reference was meant in a satire or mocking way quinnox Sep 2013 #2

Like Greenwald hanging out with the Oath Keepers.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #4

Huh? quinnox Sep 2013 #5

It wasn't meant to you necessarily....you had to be there.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #20

That damn Greenwald, always creeping in threads that have nothing to do with him. cui bono Sep 2013 #78

When the word 'gay' is spoken, some have to inject Greenwald, becuase he's Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #111

These days it seems there are a lot of trigger words. cui bono Sep 2013 #117

! cyberswede Sep 2013 #120

Yup BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #130

Wow. n/t eShirl Sep 2013 #3

Ya shore got a big spoon there. xfundy Sep 2013 #6

It may not be about Syria, but the same principles apply frazzled Sep 2013 #7

Well said frazzled! I fit that description, too. My personal Cha Sep 2013 #21

Very well written! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #24

Completely agree with this post. NYC Liberal Sep 2013 #47

Well done! Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #51

You got it exactly right. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #73

I agree. HappyMe Sep 2013 #126

What if we care as about the 98,000 shot or blown up as the 2000 gassed? eridani Sep 2013 #83

Depends on what is meant by "care". republicans may "care" about a homeless child, but pampango Sep 2013 #91

How about having caring summarized by requesting our government to give far more eridani Sep 2013 #142

Those are great suggestions. Took the words right out of my mouth. n/t pampango Sep 2013 #146

Beautiful! JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #85

+1 great white snark Sep 2013 #90

k&r Progressive dog Sep 2013 #94

Excellent post. nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #96

Well said! nt treestar Sep 2013 #97

well said!! +1000 Sheepshank Sep 2013 #110

+ 100 Scurrilous Sep 2013 #112

You are utterly magnificent Number23 Sep 2013 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Sep 2013 #127

I also agree with the post Gothmog Sep 2013 #132

There ya go. Great post. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #137

I wish that I could recommend this post. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2013 #154

Love it. JaneyVee Sep 2013 #159

You're a newbie so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #8

Is it not possible to discuss the merits of Putin's argument without being accused of homophobia? BlueStreak Sep 2013 #41

can you imagine writing the same words about say Hitler dsc Sep 2013 #139

What does Hitler have to do with anything? BlueStreak Sep 2013 #147

Putin is to gays as Hitler in 33 was to Jews dsc Sep 2013 #151

Yes, that is potentially true, depending on how the rest of the incipient gay genocide goes down MNBrewer Sep 2013 #152

there is literally nothing Putin can say which I will listen to dsc Sep 2013 #153

It's too bad that your mind is so closed to even hearing his side of the issue MNBrewer Sep 2013 #155

He's been here since 2011 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #86

I stood up for the LGBT community here for years. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #9

Indeed NewsCenter28 Sep 2013 #10

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #12

WTF? Thanking yourself for your own OP? quinnox Sep 2013 #13

He probably failed at logging into his sock puppet account LittleBlue Sep 2013 #15

I guess so! quinnox Sep 2013 #17

Right. With your super duper laser vision. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #25

The guy just wrote a reply to himself where he said "your" LittleBlue Sep 2013 #38

The poster obviously made a mistake. Have you never made a mistake? I have. pnwmom Sep 2013 #49

A mistake that very clearly revealed that he's a sock puppet. Marr Sep 2013 #131

Whoops Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #44

lol!!! darkangel218 Sep 2013 #67

lol LittleBlue Sep 2013 #80

I was thanking Frazzled for her well-written post NewsCenter28 Sep 2013 #32

You gotta click on ' reply to this post'. bravenak Sep 2013 #40

somebody got his/her sock puppets mixed up! progressoid Sep 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Sep 2013 #93

LOL! Looks like he forgot to click to switch accounts in his persona management software... backscatter712 Sep 2013 #125

LOL sockpuppet fail n/t leftstreet Sep 2013 #26

Bwahaha!!! They forgot to change their log in. cui bono Sep 2013 #57

Do you remember when Political Tiger/Boomerang Diddle came to DU QC Sep 2013 #115

No... missed that. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #145

LMFAO Marr Sep 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #135

Do you realize how hard we had to fight against Obama in order to get him to MNBrewer Sep 2013 #156

I'm pro equal rights for the LGBT community gopiscrap Sep 2013 #11

So, bisexual-lean gay man can't possibly be trolls? Good to know. Xipe Totec Sep 2013 #14

Those posts are all tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic. Nobody here actually likes Putin. Dash87 Sep 2013 #16

I have a daughter that is bisexual and I do stand with her against people like Putin. He is not a liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #18

+1 MNBrewer Sep 2013 #157

You know you can be all pro LGBT rights nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #19

Is this satire? LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #22

Obviously not. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #50

DU itself is pro LGBT rights. William769 Sep 2013 #23

Hey William~ Cha Sep 2013 #29

There have been may of us fighting this fight since the beginning William769 Sep 2013 #31

It does Cha Sep 2013 #36

What's your BMI? Common Sense Party Sep 2013 #27

It means 'leans toward' gay rather than straight, while being bi.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #99

Thanks for the explanation. Ilsa Sep 2013 #109

There's a certain element on here who puff up Putin because Cha Sep 2013 #28

That is a false dichotomy BlueStreak Sep 2013 #43

"I'd wager the vast majority of people at this site who agree Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #65

So according to you anyone who says they campaigned for Obama is lying. Okay.... cui bono Sep 2013 #75

I am rather startled Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #143

You know what? I think you're right, I misread last night and read too much into your post. cui bono Sep 2013 #144

Been there, done that. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #148

I can see what you're saying but I really don't think, and I didn't take away, cui bono Sep 2013 #149

We disagree on many things. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #164

The people who are puffing Putin up are the ones who keep posting the threads attempting to mock cui bono Sep 2013 #56

I'm FOR tolerance AND Gay Rights, but sometimes change begins in very odd ways.... Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #30

Thanks and to Liberalandproud-no I was deadly serious-not satire NewsCenter28 Sep 2013 #35

I want to thank for that NC.. that's Cha Sep 2013 #37

But I DO get you have every right to be pissed as He double toothpicks at Putin. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #45

I've been to Russia 7 times and believe me go west young man Sep 2013 #66

I'm simply saying if a world leader will make ANY positive move, let them. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #162

Agreed. go west young man Sep 2013 #163

I guess everyone who has ever owned a VW Bug supports Hitler too. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #34

Who is DU? shireen Sep 2013 #39

DU recs posts that praise the Pope when he farts... MellowDem Sep 2013 #42

Well at least when he farts he's doing something productive. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #48

I appreciate that you're withholding judgment until you learn more. pnwmom Sep 2013 #53

For this and other reasons, I do feel THIS Pope is a much better Pope than the previous ones. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #58

I feel much the same. pnwmom Sep 2013 #60

And IF his ONLY claim to fame is that he stops the war on gays by the Catholic Church.... Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #62

That's certainly true! n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #64

Pope Francis doesn't deserve to be compared to Putin, but anti-Catholic bigots pnwmom Sep 2013 #52

NOT an anti-Catholic bigot, thank you very much. Former Catholic. Discouraged with Church politics. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #59

I know you aren't! I was responding to post #42. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #61

oops - my mis read. time to go to bed I think. Nite everyone. nt Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #63

I.E. "As long as they don't have sex" jberryhill Sep 2013 #82

I'm guessing you never heard he supported civil unions in Buenos Aires. pnwmom Sep 2013 #88

He oppossed marriage equality in Argentina, like many on the right he hoped Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #103

Yeah, but he still thinks gays will go to hell if they engage in intercourse. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #124

Yes, the Pope is tremendously popular on DU... Union Scribe Sep 2013 #71

For a homophobic bigot, he sure is... MellowDem Sep 2013 #138

I will give the pope one thing LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #141

I stand up for LGBT rights. Period. gtar100 Sep 2013 #46

It's a headscratcher ain't it? I've seen arguments here that Obama is... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #54

There is no folk hero status of Putin that I've seen except for the fantasy one of a certain cui bono Sep 2013 #55

Your right on the money. go west young man Sep 2013 #68

I'll grant NewsCenter28 Sep 2013 #74

Being as all politicians are, well, politicians, it might be wise not to think of them as heroes. cui bono Sep 2013 #77

What is the avatar thread? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #95

trumad jokingly asked for a Putin avatar cyberswede Sep 2013 #122

Oh, yeah, Duh. I got one right here, I'll go post it: NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #123

Exactly. It's the sort of black and white, 'with us or against us' nonsense that authoritarians seem Marr Sep 2013 #128

As much as I wish that was true, I'm afraid there are some who DO act that way, even if not......... AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #136

But support for Putin on this issue Yo_Mama Sep 2013 #69

I didn't vote for his re-election because of DOMA MNBrewer Sep 2013 #158

I support equal rights with respect to gays. mick063 Sep 2013 #70

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #72

What utter and complete nonsense. David__77 Sep 2013 #76

Good grief are you saying we need to choose war or lgbts? dkf Sep 2013 #79

Exactly. I'm sick of the black-and-white bullshit. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #102

"I could give 2 shits about Syria" Laughing Mirror Sep 2013 #81

The world is complex. Very complex. mnhtnbb Sep 2013 #84

I see an awful lot of people suddenly JoeyT Sep 2013 #87

Ain't that the truth. Puglover Sep 2013 #92

We're allowed to be pro-LGBT now that Obama is supporting it. Back when he was against it democrats liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #106

Many of the folks affecting great concern also refuse to join the Olympics boycott Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #108

^^^ THIS MNBrewer Sep 2013 #161

Yep. Glad someone else noticed it. n/t QC Sep 2013 #150

I've noticed that also, it's so heartwarming MNBrewer Sep 2013 #160

Wow! I'm honored to have my Op title in the second line of your awesome Op. trumad Sep 2013 #89

"...and some of my friends are black!" n/t backscatter712 Sep 2013 #100

Oh I forgot that trumad Sep 2013 #113

To be fair, I think the Putin-avatar-request post was made tongue-in-cheek... backscatter712 Sep 2013 #98

Just because I think Putin said some smart things in his editorial... backscatter712 Sep 2013 #101

I don't quite understand why two far apart issues get combined like that Xyzse Sep 2013 #104

Putin is a KGB Wannabe Dictator who is going to be remembered as such ./nt Drale Sep 2013 #105

Some of us have been speaking out against Russian anti gay laws since before Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #107

"Hey Earl G...can we have a Putin avatar?" KamaAina Sep 2013 #116

Now, now, that doesn't reconcile with... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #119

"I could give 2 shits about Syria right now." WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #118

I interpereted the request for a Putin avatar as a smart-ass way to make a point. Throd Sep 2013 #121

There is a kind of fetichism about Putin...from left to the right, a lot of people have too Sand Wind Sep 2013 #133

I'm not LGBT myself(cis), and I was bothered by this as well. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #134

Making fun of Putins Bitch tits is anti-LGBT? Tveil Sep 2013 #140