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Warren DeMontague

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109. Please prove your allegation with links.

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:33 AM

Sep 2013

There are people on this site who make up all kinds of egregious shit and ascribe it to members of that group. I've seen it happen over, and over, and over again. For instance, we had several weeks in meta of outrage over "defending rape jokes in the mens group", remember? People who admitted they'd never actually gone in to the group, went on about how terrible it was that they're "defending rape jokes over there".

One little problem, no one there actually did that. At all.

So i'd be extremely interested to see a link to an actual post which you consider "rape apologia". Anyone who actually does that, it's not okay. But you have to excuse me if I request some actual proof.

We used to have a particularly unpleasant person who posted here, she claimed to be a lawyer and she always accused people who said stuff she disagreed with, of "slander"... Like they were in court or something.

I dont believe you can "slander" a screen name on a website, but people sure seem to come close with some of the members of that group. So. Please, link.

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To grown men who sexually harrass teenagers: [View all] Quantess Sep 2013 OP

I understand your anger and frustration... mike_c Sep 2013 #1

Regarding my latest hidden post. Quantess Sep 2013 #2

You were a juror on your own alerted post? How did that happen? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #5

Nope. Someone alerted on Doctor_J's OP. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #9

Thanks, you described it better than I did BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #13

ah-- thanks.... mike_c Sep 2013 #29

Not the least bit surprised to see such a sufrommich Sep 2013 #34

I was juror #4, I voted to hide the post. I thought it was creepy. hunter Sep 2013 #37

I had no idea we even had a Men's Group. KamaAina Sep 2013 #48

It is a similar crowd to the "Gungeon" intaglio Sep 2013 #53

I will say one thing for it KamaAina Sep 2013 #58

It's full of people who advocate for things like satanic human sacrifice, and cannibalism. Honest. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #88

And serve roasted baby on Mondays. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #91

It's the Group W Bench, is what it is. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #92

Only Mondays? KamaAina Sep 2013 #93

No, but there are plenty of rape apologists intaglio Sep 2013 #108

Please prove your allegation with links. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #109

The forum itself is evidence intaglio Sep 2013 #111

yeah Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #112

Oh, you don't read critically? intaglio Sep 2013 #114

One rape is too many, I'm sure we agree there. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #115

That health insurance was unfairly expensive to men BainsBane Sep 2013 #161

Pffft....who cares about that???? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #141

I like to keep them where they belong: on ignore. Squinch Sep 2013 #144

There is a Women's Rights & Issues group. polly7 Sep 2013 #66

i dunno. asking how young one can sexualize a girl seems like it pretty well is effecting the girls seabeyond Sep 2013 #67

Wtf are you talking about? nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #68

A creepy OP in the Men's Group which I believe has now been deleted... nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #113

How was that a response to my question to the poster I asked it of? polly7 Sep 2013 #156

The original OP came off as creepy, even if the poster's intentions may have been relatively benign. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #157

Yeah, I get that. polly7 Sep 2013 #158

For the record, I tend to bounce pretty freely between the Men's Group and HoF. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #159

lol you're not babbling. polly7 Sep 2013 #160

best thing that ever happened to me BainsBane Sep 2013 #149

My nickname in middle school and high school (before I quit) was "queerbait." hunter Sep 2013 #152

sigh... ya know. seabeyond Sep 2013 #153

Sometimes you just have to do pintobean Sep 2013 #50

because its time people get their rear tail feathers out of that place Stargazer99 Sep 2013 #3

it is broadcast here because it is political Stargazer99 Sep 2013 #4

It isn't exactly political, except it COULD BE Quantess Sep 2013 #7

Yeah that is sad that they are doing that Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #8

I love your OP, and your hidden post, but I disagree on one thing: I think it's very political. Squinch Sep 2013 #38

A big plus 1000 for this. nt Nay Sep 2013 #154

self-delete (dupe) pnwmom Sep 2013 #12

Why the hell not broadcast it here? With all the men on this site, don't you think pnwmom Sep 2013 #16

thanks for answering.... mike_c Sep 2013 #27

yes SwampG8r Sep 2013 #101

I've noticed the same phenomenon of daughters pnwmom Sep 2013 #102

Oh, so right on. Now, I have had a lifetime of mostly boys and men. seabeyond Sep 2013 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #6

It was about an OP regarding finding young females sexually attractive BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #11

except to women Precisely Sep 2013 #15

Do you really need a list of all the ways men sexually harass girls on the streets? pnwmom Sep 2013 #18

I am an older man and I feel no man has the right to upaloopa Sep 2013 #55

People in our generation can help just by making our sons and grandsons and brothers aware. pnwmom Sep 2013 #56

no offense, but your "giant reserve of anger" is not likely the reason you were cali Sep 2013 #10

Calmly stated: what causes you to say these are "bullshit claims"? Quantess Sep 2013 #14

LOL. hardly. I got a lot of attention from men cali Sep 2013 #41

What it is you are complaining about, exactly? Quantess Sep 2013 #65

why so hostile? Precisely Sep 2013 #17

What bullshit claims? Are you suggesting that sexual harassment on the street isn't real pnwmom Sep 2013 #21

no, I'm suggesting that the poster's claim that she was never sexually assaulted cali Sep 2013 #42

I disagree laundry_queen Sep 2013 #54

yes, she is completely off base. while she is correct that tough women also get attacked and bettyellen Sep 2013 #131

you missed "probably." and the context Precisely Sep 2013 #85

You need to talk to someone about this anger I think. Not healthy. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #19

Getting in touch with her anger about this could very well be healthy. pnwmom Sep 2013 #30

Your comment lacks empathy. n-t Quantess Sep 2013 #33

She is talking to someone about the anger. It's very healthy. And it's pretty common. Squinch Sep 2013 #39

Agreed. Oddly, street harassment seems more of an East Coast than West Coast phenomenon. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #20

I grew up on the east coast. I've noticed there was less of it here in the west coast, pnwmom Sep 2013 #22

the West Coast is so much more segregated, so you are probably referring to bettyellen Sep 2013 #25

Actually, that observation has been made repeatedly Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #26

women get harassed because they are perceived as lower status across the board, and it bettyellen Sep 2013 #31

That doesn't really have anything to do with what I was saying, but okay. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #32

I grew up in a middle to upper-middle class east coast town where the kids did walk. pnwmom Sep 2013 #35

I do think more women fight back these days. But it's often a matter of opportunity. bettyellen Sep 2013 #45

When a girl is 12, 13, 14 yrs old she is so inexperienced with standing up for herself seabeyond Sep 2013 #60

very true. I was disgusted a few years ago when a 35+ yr old man made a very suggestive remark to my bettyellen Sep 2013 #134

my well endowed 12 yr old niece was out to dinner with one of my friends and a friend of hers. seabeyond Sep 2013 #137

I hear you, and you are not lying, Q. Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #23

Some asshole exposed himself to my wife on the streets of DC a few years ago. Her response ... 11 Bravo Sep 2013 #24

I was tall for my age so it started for me when I was a preteen -- 12 or maybe even 11. pnwmom Sep 2013 #28

It started for me at 10 PasadenaTrudy Sep 2013 #36

And I'm sure you weren't the only one. Most girls now have at least started developing pnwmom Sep 2013 #47

Thank you... icarusxat Sep 2013 #76

I have great men in my life PasadenaTrudy Sep 2013 #94

You are not lying intaglio Sep 2013 #40

+1 Squinch Sep 2013 #44

^^^^^^ Precisely Sep 2013 #86

One other note: do you think any of those men who do harass girls have any idea how Squinch Sep 2013 #43

I bet they don't. We're supposed to appreciate the attention, no matter how young we are. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #46

yes, there is something wrong with us if we don't like it JI7 Sep 2013 #49

Blech. Just thinking about how that feels when you are confronted with one of those assholes Squinch Sep 2013 #73

they know Precisely Sep 2013 #87

agreed. that is the point and why a guy cant talk himself out of just what it is. they know. seabeyond Sep 2013 #90

I know what you are talking about: those guys who block the sidewalk, Squinch Sep 2013 #142

as men continually tell us, all us young women are biologically made up to go for the old fart with seabeyond Sep 2013 #147

I don't think they care. JoeyT Sep 2013 #107

wish I could rec your post. nt raccoon Sep 2013 #117

Exactly Precisely Sep 2013 #123

it mostly is around other men. it really is all about showing off to their peers. the girl/woman is seabeyond Sep 2013 #126

power Precisely Sep 2013 #127

always. dominance, control. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #129

yep. I have caught a few guy friends acting out in disturbing ways and boy were they upset bettyellen Sep 2013 #143

Rec'd hotrod0808 Sep 2013 #51

Sorry you've had to endure some of that degrading crap. It can be quite scary. BlueJazz Sep 2013 #52

that was a fuckin ridiculous fuckin hide for you from inablers to allow the boys to play at will... seabeyond Sep 2013 #57

Because going into a group.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #78

Except, that's not what happened. pintobean Sep 2013 #80

Telling everyone who replied to the OP to "fuck off" is abusive.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #82

Her post was hidden pintobean Sep 2013 #84

Bullshit, and I have zero intention of self-deleting anything ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #138

she posted a jury result. try again. i have yet to see any poster get a post hidden for posting seabeyond Sep 2013 #81

Abusive jury comments, even when not made public are not tolerated here as far as I know ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #139

bullshit. seems who is being called out in a comment. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #146

sexually creepy is good for business Precisely Sep 2013 #124

absolutely. i think that is why it is so hard for the men to address when they are in leadership. seabeyond Sep 2013 #128

it's equal opportunity exploitation these days. Precisely Sep 2013 #130

It started quite young for me also laundry_queen Sep 2013 #59

Harassment is rampant and it grinds people down. Stop it, folks: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #61

luv this. an absolute fav. and so point on. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Sep 2013 #62

lots of pictures. a little reading. but little words, so should be good to go. lots of pics. seabeyond Sep 2013 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Sep 2013 #96

Did you really just say that? Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #75

I lol'd LittleBlue Sep 2013 #83

I have no idea Cronus Protagonist Sep 2013 #97

Most excellent LittleBlue Sep 2013 #98

Dude's post was self deleted because he realized how turd-like it made him appear. Squinch Sep 2013 #145

Not appropriate. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #89

To grown men who sexually harrass teenagers: Rex Sep 2013 #69

I've never even witnessed this phenomenon, I don't think... devils chaplain Sep 2013 #70

They don't do it when a woman (or a girl) is with a man. Squinch Sep 2013 #74

Exactly, because a woman alone is "public property." A woman with a man raccoon Sep 2013 #118

Bingo. And a woman alone is "asking for it" by virtue of not having attached herself to a man. Squinch Sep 2013 #140

Cool vid makes the point: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #71

just get tired... another very good piece from you. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Sep 2013 #99

Here Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #116

he does not give a shit. just jumped in to derail. sorry you though him sincere. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #121

It's OK. He fighting a battle from another thread and dragged it in here. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #132

i see. thanks for the explanation. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #135

Summary of the Bible Precisely Sep 2013 #136

Summary of the bible Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #148

some people arely staircase Sep 2013 #72

Men really need to learn to keep it in their pants. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #79

How bout grown women? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #95

How "very small" is that percentage? Recursion Sep 2013 #100

I explained in another post pnwmom Sep 2013 #104

I don't think it is so small BainsBane Sep 2013 #150

It's disgusting. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #105

I learned "nice guy" at my parents' knees. longship Sep 2013 #106

Nature had determined that I would Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #110

A major, major benefit of being old. Sure I miss the strength and resilience I used to have eridani Sep 2013 #119

Both these replies Precisely Sep 2013 #125

Gotta agree there. The lack of harassment after the age of about 40 was SO SO wonderful. A major Nay Sep 2013 #155

A-FUCKING-MEN!!! Lunacee_2013 Sep 2013 #120

K&R nt MrScorpio Sep 2013 #122

Hopefully LWolf Sep 2013 #133

Quantess. Just wanted to let you know BainsBane Sep 2013 #151