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163. A veto would have had two bad consequences.

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 08:29 AM

Sep 2013

It would make the president look weak. Remember this is before Bush took down the stature of the presidency. It would make Clinton look as though he doesn't have bipartisan skill. The press would have been all over his failure. That's a big cost when you are a lame duck president.

Second, he would have less time to watch that particular bill in action.

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I'm sorry but the Democratic Party is not doing its job. [View all] kentuck Sep 2013 OP

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #1

The irony is that the Republicans Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #2

I think it's deception, not irony. FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #7

I really hope it isn't that way Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #9

That is exactly what is happening. sendero Sep 2013 #26

Sad but true. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #71

It is certainly deception. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #123

The Dems behaved that way when they had a majority in the House, too. arcane1 Sep 2013 #102

"acting like" Enthusiast Sep 2013 #124

The Democratic Party is bringing home the bacon.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #3

. . . for those who OWN the Democratic Party. That's its job. leveymg Sep 2013 #203

Don't be sorry, they're not leftstreet Sep 2013 #4

... woo me with science Sep 2013 #5

That is a depressing list. bvar22 Sep 2013 #37

The greatest mandate in history. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #126

Muchas gracias for the great links red dog 1 Sep 2013 #59

Wow...that's fucking depressing...n/t dorkzilla Sep 2013 #85

Here's a brand spanking new one for the list Doctor_J Sep 2013 #101

Thank you. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #215

The cumulative drip-drip-drip of right-wing policies and actions is indepat Sep 2013 #105

Also, Dems put in Repub choice for FBI, CIA, etc. Festivito Sep 2013 #131

Thanks "Woo" for the updated list...So much to be concerned about going forward. KoKo Sep 2013 #223

Like Kucinich told Kashkari, Paulson's aide - truedelphi Sep 2013 #6

+10 RC Sep 2013 #8

facing the other direction and moved to the right. obxhead Sep 2013 #13

It sure seems that way, doesn't it? RC Sep 2013 #25

LOL Enthusiast Sep 2013 #128

Like this? bvar22 Sep 2013 #49

Saved me the trouble. RC Sep 2013 #56

Quick and Dirty. bvar22 Sep 2013 #65

I would make the background color on "THIS SPACE AVAILABLE" green. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #193

Kucinich! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #127

Dalai Lama has a great quote about not ever giving up: truedelphi Sep 2013 #10

I really wish you would take out the "I'm sorry" in the title. woo me with science Sep 2013 #11

On the contrary we should all be sorry. Doctor_J Sep 2013 #104

Yet our country is exceptional don't you know. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #12

Exceptional in so many wrong ways... DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #122

The Fascists are going to correct that little health care disparity Enthusiast Sep 2013 #129

I highly doubt that DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #199

I think the Democrats are in denial about how bad the GOP has gotten starroute Sep 2013 #14

The term you're looking for is "Banana Republic" [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #19

That might be it....nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #130

More and more, Harry Reid looks like the biggest dumbass of all... kentuck Sep 2013 #20

He isn't stupid he's complicit. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #72

I disagree. Blanks Sep 2013 #34

I would agree that Democrats need to be in control of the House whenever... kentuck Sep 2013 #35

There's always something that needs fixed... Blanks Sep 2013 #68

The Democratic Party is in denial about how bad the Democratic Party has gotten.. bvar22 Sep 2013 #55

FDR was spot on! DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #82

I don't know. that's probably wishful thinking Doctor_J Sep 2013 #100

I'll see that and raise you Phlem Sep 2013 #117

The trouble is that it's not perfect sync starroute Sep 2013 #164

Actually, it IS fascism... DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #205

"Great Recession" hibbing Sep 2013 #15

good point. kentuck Sep 2013 #21

It seems to we tried, but the Republicans insisted on calling it the Obama recession. RC Sep 2013 #61

Bill Clinton laid the groundwork by signing the Gramm�Leach�Bliley Act mick063 Sep 2013 #98

TPTB used the artificial smokescreen of right wing Enthusiast Sep 2013 #134

That's the untrue right wing crapola. Festivito Sep 2013 #141

Veto-proof. Bohunk68 Sep 2013 #155

A veto would have had two bad consequences. Festivito Sep 2013 #163

I disagree. bvar22 Sep 2013 #190

No. It is the postings ignoring that ALL Republicans and SOME Democrats supported it. Festivito Sep 2013 #208

Nope. Lets ask Bill himself. bvar22 Sep 2013 #216

And his self-effacing tacit rhetoric noting limitations proves its all the Democrat's fault -- How? Festivito Sep 2013 #219

When the Democrat is at fault, bvar22 Sep 2013 #221

.. because I say so. It all sounds imperious. Festivito Sep 2013 #222

Every Human Being has the right to assign responsibility. bvar22 Sep 2013 #224

Please do not lie to us. mick063 Sep 2013 #191

100% Repubs with just enough Dems to make it veto proof. Festivito Sep 2013 #206

Blaming Republicans is a given. They do not need to be part of the discussion. mick063 Sep 2013 #209

Foolishly ridiculous statement. If voters were informed .. MAYBE! They're NOT! Festivito Sep 2013 #210

Sorry mick063 Sep 2013 #211

That other response above looks like another name responding as you would. Festivito Sep 2013 #220

Limbaugh was calling it the "Obama Recession" before the inauguration in 2008. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #133

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #174

All very good points, including the "I'm sorry" comment. SmittynMo Sep 2013 #16

All those things you listed Cryptoad Sep 2013 #17

30 years of incompetence. kentuck Sep 2013 #22

This is just inane tkmorris Sep 2013 #23

Governing is Cryptoad Sep 2013 #28

When was the last time the GOP compromised? kentuck Sep 2013 #30

Agreed Cryptoad Sep 2013 #31

I was not focusing on the President. kentuck Sep 2013 #32

Seeing that the White House is Cryptoad Sep 2013 #41

The Democrats hold the Senate and the White House Fumesucker Sep 2013 #78

Senate rules are not changed that easily ,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #84

After you made an outright error saying the Dems only hold the White House Fumesucker Sep 2013 #86

You seem to have a problem reading. I did not say what you just said I said Cryptoad Sep 2013 #89

The Repubs seem to "control" the Senate just fine with less than fifty votes Fumesucker Sep 2013 #95

Yep if you have 41 votes in the Seante Cryptoad Sep 2013 #149

Let me guess what your point is. If you vote for Republicans, life would be worse, therefore rhett o rick Sep 2013 #115

YOu need to study Cryptoad Sep 2013 #154

Ahh yes. The "Be Happy with What You Got" Theory. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #170

Ahh yes ,,,, the ole associate FAllacy Cryptoad Sep 2013 #177

I am so relieved, then! rusty fender Sep 2013 #120

Yay! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #136

RW authoritarians do not compromise, they want to be told what to do. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #111

You're in an echo chamber treestar Sep 2013 #175

I didn't list too many specific Dem failures in my post tkmorris Sep 2013 #42

ummm Cryptoad Sep 2013 #46

HEY!!! Jack gave away the family cow, bvar22 Sep 2013 #90

When one side compromises (Democrats),, ,, , ,, ,,, ,, blackspade Sep 2013 #125

The interests of the working class are the only things being compromised. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #135

+1000 RC Sep 2013 #33

Our Problems Cryptoad Sep 2013 #43

So, dgibby Sep 2013 #50

I think Obama Cryptoad Sep 2013 #57

NOBODY believes those things. No one. tkmorris Sep 2013 #67

well you are surly entitled to your opinion..... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #73

The President can not believe that. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #137

Larry Summers is just a symptom of the Democratic Party sickness. RC Sep 2013 #51

I sure rather have The Democrats Cryptoad Sep 2013 #62

What you are saying Right of Center is OK with you? RC Sep 2013 #64

No that is not what I am saying,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #75

Yes you are. You're not fooling anyone. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #212

Funny yet you can not cite the post Cryptoad Sep 2013 #218

Larry Summers is Republican wearing the clothes of a Democrat. progressoid Sep 2013 #119

Yes we must pruge Cryptoad Sep 2013 #178

You nailed it. truedelphi Sep 2013 #108

the Democratic Party is not unABLE to raise taxes on the wealthy hfojvt Sep 2013 #18

Do tell Cryptoad Sep 2013 #24

you may remember when hfojvt Sep 2013 #45

First things first Cryptoad Sep 2013 #47

Democrats controlled both houses of Congress for the first two years of Pres. Obama's first term. smokey nj Sep 2013 #53

Filibuster rules are not up for change at any time. nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #60

They could have been changed at any point. smokey nj Sep 2013 #63

Well there some Cryptoad Sep 2013 #70

They could have changed them. Period. smokey nj Sep 2013 #74

Just because Ried says he can change them doesnt make it so.... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #77

You are wrong. smokey nj Sep 2013 #79

Sorry Cryptoad Sep 2013 #81

The rules of the Senate can be changed, they are not written in stone. smokey nj Sep 2013 #87

I did not say that Senate rules could not be changed,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #88

It's called the Nuclear Option: smokey nj Sep 2013 #92

I know what it is called Cryptoad Sep 2013 #93

You don't know what you're talking about and I'm tired of arguing with you. smokey nj Sep 2013 #94

you still have not provide any support of your arguement.... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #96

Can the rules of the Senate be changed? Yes. I proved my point. smokey nj Sep 2013 #97

But yoiu did not prove that this Senate had the votes to change it! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #144

Yes, I did. smokey nj Sep 2013 #147

Only thing you have proved is Cryptoad Sep 2013 #156

I have proven my point. It's not my problem you refuse to believe it. smokey nj Sep 2013 #161

You have presented no proof Cryptoad Sep 2013 #168

What proof have you provided? None. smokey nj Sep 2013 #171

You made the claim,,,,,the burden of proof is yours Cryptoad Sep 2013 #172

Here's your proof: smokey nj Sep 2013 #179

Seems you do not understand the difference Cryptoad Sep 2013 #182

I'm done with you. smokey nj Sep 2013 #183

Yes Cryptoad Sep 2013 #184

You've lost every debate in this thread. Looks like you need the first rule of holes - when smokey nj Sep 2013 #185

You are entitled to your opinion,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #186

Grow up. smokey nj Sep 2013 #187

Never Cryptoad Sep 2013 #188

The fact remains the Democrats extended the Bush tax cuts with President Obama leading the way. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #139

The fact remains that Bush tax cut deal was part of a big compormise,,,,,, which was force by Cryptoad Sep 2013 #145

We had the presidency and both houses of congress. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #148

WE have had control of the Senate Cryptoad Sep 2013 #151

The Bush tax cuts were to expire automatically. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #138

once again Cryptoad Sep 2013 #146

We did not have to deal. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #150

you have to deal Cryptoad Sep 2013 #152

The core principle of the Obama campaign was to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #157

What part of Cryptoad Sep 2013 #158

The Bush tax cuts would have expired automatically! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #180

I have not said that they would not have expired automatically Cryptoad Sep 2013 #181

No one was forced into anything. Obama gave away the tax cut expiration. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #198

Not having control of Congress forces you may deals with the Devil (GOP) Cryptoad Sep 2013 #200

Not having control of your integrity forces you to make deals with the devil. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #201

integrity and politicans ,,,,, oil and water Cryptoad Sep 2013 #202

If Obama had done nothing, the bush tax cuts would have expired automatically. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #112

Thank you. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #140

Amen! smokey nj Sep 2013 #165

And we would not be talking about sequestration or not extending the debt limit or the other crap... kentuck Sep 2013 #167

WORD. mahina Sep 2013 #27

And some are actively screwing/tring to screw us, i.e. re TPP. And by some, I mean none other than MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #29

It's doing what it's paid to do. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #36

perfect metaphor eom florida08 Sep 2013 #48

The two-party system has achieved in ruining this nation. bigwillq Sep 2013 #38

It's our fault, really, because MNBrewer Sep 2013 #39

Because Mainstream Democrats when they get a Majority Wolf Frankula Sep 2013 #40

agree mtasselin Sep 2013 #44

Led by Obama, their job is working for the 1% now. forestpath Sep 2013 #52

"...To understand this, you have to go back to what [the] young brother here referred to jtuck004 Sep 2013 #54

Read Brother Malcolm's wikiquote page Hydra Sep 2013 #83

"It is impossible for capitalism to survive, primarily because the system of capitalism needs... jtuck004 Sep 2013 #91

NP Hydra Sep 2013 #114

It's doing a job. Question is, who's it working for? n/t winter is coming Sep 2013 #58

�Where are they going to go?� AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #66

Yep. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #76

Obama didn't have the backing ... the depth into the Party politics. Not being an "insider" libdem4life Sep 2013 #69

Would having her as president prevent TPP? Prevent KeystoneXL? Get the banksters prosecuted? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #103

Unfortunately, the reality is not to my personal liking. But I read the following article libdem4life Sep 2013 #106

Wait. They said the same about Hill in 2008. We have much better options:) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #113

No Hillary. Absolutely not. blackspade Sep 2013 #132

Or maybe it's changed its job description... polichick Sep 2013 #80

It's not much of a real Democratic party anymore anyway. L0oniX Sep 2013 #99

The Democratic Party hasn't been doing its job since 2000. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #107

a little longer than that. bvar22 Sep 2013 #217

funny how the minority has no trouble calling the shots nashville_brook Sep 2013 #109

With the public opinion on the NSA and Syria and with more and more liberal candidates putting up a liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #110

It's because most of the Democrats in Congress have to get funding from the WCGreen Sep 2013 #116

That is a big part of it Kolesar Sep 2013 #160

Of course thy're doing their job. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #118

+1000 blackspade Sep 2013 #121

Hi MichaelKelley Sep 2013 #142

FIND THE CENTER blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #143

du rec. xchrom Sep 2013 #153

It's your fault if you haven't been organizing Kolesar Sep 2013 #159

Space available ... Scuba Sep 2013 #162

Someone else's fault. Not Obama, not our leadership, really it's something or some entity... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #166

This is so important because there are some who would rather fight you here than fight FOR LaydeeBug Sep 2013 #169

What is a party's "job?" treestar Sep 2013 #173

Maybe we have a bad "product". Think that could be the thing? An entire market is being ignored. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #176

Pretty much the same thing as the posters here Puglover Sep 2013 #213

kentuck heaven05 Sep 2013 #189

Mainstream media could with ease help America polynomial Sep 2013 #192

I'm a little confused kentuck Oilwellian Sep 2013 #194

I'll check it out?? kentuck Sep 2013 #204

kick woo me with science Sep 2013 #195

For a long time now!!!!!!!!!! BlueJac Sep 2013 #196

Sure they are. Bonhomme Richard Sep 2013 #197

"They have no passion for a fight." Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #207

At this point the Democratic Party is not only not doing its job, woo me with science Sep 2013 #214