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truth2power

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110. There is no definitive evidence that Assad did it. Even Kerry, in his remarks a few weeks ago,

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 11:30 AM

Sep 2013

made emotional statements about the attack itself, but left it to Americans to ASSUME that it was perpetrated by Assad.

More propaganda to stampede Americans into war.

I don't have the time or the inclination to get into long arguments over this issue. There are numerous articles that make what I consider credible arguments that the so-called "rebels", supported by the US, have the most to gain from perpetrating CW attacks.

In addition, if one asks, Cui Bono?, it would certainly not be Assad.

Also, I am not persuaded by those who ridicule and label anyone who doesn't follow the party line of Obama and Kerry. Calling people "truthers" (as in the OP) because they have looked at the evidence, or lack thereof, and come to a different conclusion, doesn't do much to advance the discussion.

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The New Truthers: Americans Who Deny Syria Used Chemical Weapons [View all] wyldwolf Sep 2013 OP

I believe that chemical weapons were used. KamaAina Sep 2013 #1

The claim of a rogue commander would have been more compelling karynnj Sep 2013 #17

These days, better to appear guilty than incompetent. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #28

Which means he's lost control of those munitions. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #22

All the more reason not to start World War III KamaAina Sep 2013 #31

X1000 ^^^^ bvar22 Sep 2013 #37

But making it urgent to get then back under control. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #38

Yeah, sure, bombs and missiles are known to be able to do that. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #88

Assad is the head of the country and HE'S not claiming that anyone else gave the order. pnwmom Sep 2013 #58

So if we do strike, there's no chance anyone will retaliate? KamaAina Sep 2013 #62

War is cheap, easy and expedient. All right-thinking people know this. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #77

Making such a claim would make him look weak. KamaAina Sep 2013 #80

A Lot Of People Here Have Disgraced Themselves, Sir, Promoting This 'false flag' Swill The Magistrate Sep 2013 #2

Many more have disgraced themselves by supporting a Military Strike... bvar22 Sep 2013 #87

You Cannot Slide Off The Point Like That, Sir: 'False Flag' Claims On This Are Purile Swill The Magistrate Sep 2013 #102

Many Congresspeople who have attended the classified briefings Deny and Shred Sep 2013 #106

Thank You. bvar22 Sep 2013 #108

No Senator Or Representative Has Stated, Sir, It Was A 'False Flag' Operation By Rebels The Magistrate Sep 2013 #109

Ah...so the classified proof has been made public.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #3

I didn't see that either. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #98

Strange. Neither did Alan Grayson.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #103

Oh bullshit leftstreet Sep 2013 #4

+1 2naSalit Sep 2013 #32

Correct. A pathetic strategy... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #75

I think the whole purpose of this OP is to establish the label of truther. zeemike Sep 2013 #76

Yep. They're really got their talking points in a bunch leftstreet Sep 2013 #78

Exactly, zeemike. Ridicule is a disinformation tactic.... truth2power Sep 2013 #91

Correct: this is a method of control. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #99

Meh...it won't stick any more than the other name-calling... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #104

+1000. truth2power Sep 2013 #90

Someone there used chemical weapons. I have not seen the evidence of which Autumn Sep 2013 #5

I think that's deliberate misrepresentation. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #8

I'll wait for the report. If I insist after that is shown Assad Autumn Sep 2013 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #27

provided to us by israeli intelligence, who certainly has some interest in this affair.. frylock Sep 2013 #39

Agreed Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #107

Except that people are NOT denying they were not used nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #6

Not Denying They Were Not Used Is Denying They Were Used, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2013 #9

So anyone who believes that it's hard to swallow.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #14

You Were Here, Sir: You Know Perfectly Well I Opposed Invading Iraq The Magistrate Sep 2013 #18

And you know that how? Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #20

To Borrow The Wisdom Of Representative Frank, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #24

Got nothing, just trust. n/t Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #26

You Have Less Than Nothing, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #29

I've been following this closely. I resent the insults.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #34

Rep. Grayson, Sir, Has Said He Is Convinced Syrian Government Forces Launched The Gas The Magistrate Sep 2013 #40

Alan Grayson: �They have no smoking gun that the attack was ordered by Assad� Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #44

Out-dated, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #47

I just listened to what Grayson said..... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #50

Ah, Well, Then For You, Sir, It Is A Question Of Personalities The Magistrate Sep 2013 #54

So you're going to hitch your wagon to a guy who promised.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #56

Everyone Tries To Sell Themselves A Bit, Sir: That's What America Is All About, Always Has Been The Magistrate Sep 2013 #61

Who are the good rebels again? Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #63

You Do Understand, Sir, You Are Just Demonstrating You Have No Point? The Magistrate Sep 2013 #65

Money talks. n/t Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #67

And Bullshit Walks, Sir; What Of It? The Magistrate Sep 2013 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #33

Okay, that's weird leftstreet Sep 2013 #15

You Are Calling Me a Troll? Seriously, That Is Your Response? The Magistrate Sep 2013 #21

You certainly behave like one disidoro01 Sep 2013 #30

Once, Long Ago, Sir, The Sage Wrote The Magistrate Sep 2013 #35

Thank you disidoro01 Sep 2013 #36

Always Nice To Get An Unexpected Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #43

No problemo disidoro01 Sep 2013 #46

The "fact" has NOT been established. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #48

Your Line, Sir, Sounds More And More Like Someone Arguing For Creationism Versus Evolution The Magistrate Sep 2013 #51

OK, using your analogy.... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #64

It Does Not Hold, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #68

Your argument is false. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #72

LOL no! leftstreet Sep 2013 #55

My Apologies, Sir: I Did Mistake Your Meaning The Magistrate Sep 2013 #59

Indeed leftstreet Sep 2013 #60

iraqis are amassing tanks along the saudi border.. frylock Sep 2013 #42

"Mysterious" anti-Assad elements? JackRiddler Sep 2013 #100

Indeed, Sir, 'Mysterious Anti-Assad Elements' The Magistrate Sep 2013 #105

I believe you meant to say... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #93

Truthists, racists, haters...at least you're using got a new slur...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #7

don't forget paulist and libertarians nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #10

peace purists....nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #81

It will get harder for them on Monday. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #11

They flung this crap at us during the Iraq War as well eissa Sep 2013 #12

And even though they were used, in what way does that obligate us to respond? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #82

Lots of people blamed Iran for Halabja geek tragedy Sep 2013 #13

It was the US govt that blamed Iran. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #49

People at DU blamed Iran. In 2003-2005 geek tragedy Sep 2013 #52

US govt blamed Iran over a decade before DU existed. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #57

True, Sir, I Can Remember Arguing With A Few Of Them The Magistrate Sep 2013 #71

Never underestimate the power of telling people geek tragedy Sep 2013 #73

A Bit More From The Article, Sir.... The Magistrate Sep 2013 #16

^THIS ^ is a must read! Turborama Sep 2013 #85

I've never denied they were used. ladyVet Sep 2013 #23

A better case for truthers is those who deny that the rebels have used chemical weapons. former9thward Sep 2013 #25

Oh, look! Hydra Sep 2013 #41

Another Phony Bullshit Strawman post from the usual quarters. bvar22 Sep 2013 #45

I've believed all along that both sides may have used them. But we'll just.... Little Star Sep 2013 #66

What about those of us who want to follow intl law? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #53

I realize seeing four hundred children deceased is not enough proof for some Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #70

You are conflating the fact that it happened with WHO did it... truth2power Sep 2013 #92

So, who do you say did it Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #95

Anyone who seriously considers who COULD have done it will come to the same conclusion. Barack_America Sep 2013 #96

There is no definitive evidence that Assad did it. Even Kerry, in his remarks a few weeks ago, truth2power Sep 2013 #110

Motive doesn't give the rebels ability. Barack_America Sep 2013 #111

Human Rights Watch, Sanders, Warren and Grayson are all convinced that Assad's forces are guilty. pampango Sep 2013 #74

What is that no matter sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #79

+ a million truebluegreen Sep 2013 #83

Absolutely correct. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #86

Of course, assad continues to deny it.. he's a brutal dic-tator. What's Cha Sep 2013 #84

Oh... so you started with the "call it a conspiracy theory" bullshit already. ocpagu Sep 2013 #89

How incredibly sad, that the propaganda is now consistently at this level woo me with science Sep 2013 #94

K&r Sand Wind Sep 2013 #97

"Syria" did not use chemical weapons. Deep13 Sep 2013 #101

Kick for the UN report. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #112

Obama secretly did it to justify our entry into the conflict wyldwolf Sep 2013 #113