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Mojorabbit

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120. I am not saying it is not true. There are a huge number of suicides with fire arms

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 11:57 AM

Sep 2013

and to be honest, if I was going to do it that is the method I would choose. But to crunch the numbers you need to know how many guns there are out there and no one knows that. It is an important number to have.

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Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder [View all] n2doc Sep 2013 OP

Prepare to be swarmed by DU gun nuts. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #1

They're beginning to arrive billh58 Sep 2013 #21

I like that. Because FREEDOM! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #27

Short busses with gun racks are the in thing now. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #28

Hey billh58: From the report: "No good data on national rates of gun ownership exist" NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #58

It makes no sense that they can accurately claim this without that data. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #68

Bullshit. enki23 Sep 2013 #107

I am not saying it is not true. There are a huge number of suicides with fire arms Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #120

They use fraction of suicides with guns as a proxy variable. DanTex Sep 2013 #130

Of course you are right. To conclude otherwise is just insane. But many of our DU friends will Squinch Sep 2013 #151

It'll be interesting. This isn't the first study with similar findings. DanTex Sep 2013 #26

It's fun to preemptively attack people... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #32

they are predictable Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #35

I might conduct a study on the incidence of the use of juvenile epithets in RKBA discussions... NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #59

It's SOP for controller banners: When debate is joined, they call it "predictable" Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #163

That's okay. rrneck Sep 2013 #166

Considering no one has actually read the report hack89 Sep 2013 #54

File. This. Under. Duh. onehandle Sep 2013 #2

Forward this to the Gungeon TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #3

Did you alert? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #57

No, I didn't alert. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #60

I guess that's one of the reasons that Skinner always kept guns out of GD. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #61

Skinner is wise beyond his years, TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #63

Just an FYI nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #70

well gee no sh** Skittles Sep 2013 #4

But, but, but...second amendment...but, but, but...freedom... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #5

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #6

Planned Parenthood "kills more kids every year" than guns? Oh. uppityperson Sep 2013 #7

That's a tell. pintobean Sep 2013 #10

Indeed. I am surprised they left out "hammers", but adding PP in there is very much a tell. uppityperson Sep 2013 #11

Half hour at the most. pintobean Sep 2013 #12

And whoosh. Thanks jurors. uppityperson Sep 2013 #17

It was close: 4-2. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #44

Juror #4 needs to think again. Thanks for the results. uppityperson Sep 2013 #45

well, well, look at who is a strange bedfellow of gun rights... CTyankee Sep 2013 #38

This is not a competition. If we can reduce all A B C D sources, why not do it. Non-sequitur. nt thereismore Sep 2013 #9

I don't think this post will last. n/t Jazzgirl Sep 2013 #14

Enjoy your brief stay. progressoid Sep 2013 #15

Hmmm Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #8

Not so familiar with criminological literature on gun violence, I see. DanTex Sep 2013 #24

"broader social inequality, not gun ownership alone, contributes to the gun violence epidemic" hack89 Sep 2013 #13

Imagine if we concentrated on that alone with 110% of our efforts. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #18

Culture wars are more fun I suspect. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #19

The Liberal/Progressive movement, of which this website is a participant, has been doing that for CTyankee Sep 2013 #36

Just a moment, CTyankee. Here is what I wrote: NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #39

I have been in this movement going back to the Vietnam Era and gun safety was an issue then CTyankee Sep 2013 #42

I wish I could read about more laws and more people in support of expanded gun safety courses. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #43

see my edit above for a little more of my own personal and professional involvement with the issue.. CTyankee Sep 2013 #46

You have a rich history of public service. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #51

back in that day, handguns were the big issue. The Second A was still in its pre-Heller CTyankee Sep 2013 #52

This "intense debate" has been going on for 40 years. MicaelS Sep 2013 #172

"one large movement that took shape because of MLK, Jr. and civil rights" Kolesar Sep 2013 #77

I took a long walk down Memory Lane with that one...I haven't revisited it in years... CTyankee Sep 2013 #79

Doh, forgot to include a link. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #41

So do I nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #133

Found the first error hack89 Sep 2013 #16

I have never seen a study cited on this board, or anywhere, that didn't contain lies and deception. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #20

What "lies and deception" can you find in these studies, for example? DanTex Sep 2013 #33

I'm sorry I missed your reply earlier. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #72

What I find most troubling is your general attitude toward science. DanTex Sep 2013 #74

Let's say we take all of this as valid science, then. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #87

That's another discussion. DanTex Sep 2013 #88

The "noise to signal ratio" is why these topics used to be kept in the gungeon. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #89

Fair enough. DanTex Sep 2013 #90

And yet no one has actually read the study, have they? hack89 Sep 2013 #97

I think you and the other gungeoneers should probably read it before DanTex Sep 2013 #132

I have no problem with the basic premise of the report hack89 Sep 2013 #135

Then why all the complaining? DanTex Sep 2013 #136

What complaining? hack89 Sep 2013 #137

About how the paper is behind a paywall. DanTex Sep 2013 #138

So you admit that no one here has actually read the study? hack89 Sep 2013 #139

I never claimed I did. What's your point? DanTex Sep 2013 #142

I was referring to all the other happy dancers. hack89 Sep 2013 #143

If I were you, I'd forward your find to the BU professor. I'm sure he can issue a corrigendum CTyankee Sep 2013 #37

Have you been able to download the actual study? hack89 Sep 2013 #93

No, I have not, but if you wanted to, you could contact the prof and ask to see it.... CTyankee Sep 2013 #113

Don't you think you should actually read the study first? hack89 Sep 2013 #118

I don't have sufficient reason to believe what the author says is invalid. CTyankee Sep 2013 #121

There many using this study to attack gun owners. hack89 Sep 2013 #127

but we know what the author examined and what the conclusions were and his methodology. CTyankee Sep 2013 #128

Just to add. We also know that the results are consistent with previous studies on DanTex Sep 2013 #134

That persuades me not to look further, but for some reason this idea of our not reading this study CTyankee Sep 2013 #140

That error was not in the study, but in the article about the study. DanTex Sep 2013 #40

Since apparently no one has actually downloaded the study hack89 Sep 2013 #49

Yes, we do. DanTex Sep 2013 #75

Have you been able to download and read the study yet? hack89 Sep 2013 #76

One engine smoking and feathering down already. Jeez. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #164

Uh oh. If there's one thing the gun nuts hate more than gun control, it's science. DanTex Sep 2013 #22

According to the NRA and billh58 Sep 2013 #23

Who needs peer review when there are gun bloggers to tell us the reel troof!!! DanTex Sep 2013 #25

But Gungeoneers claim billh58 Sep 2013 #81

Still quoting nonexistent 'Gungeoneers', bill? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #66

Nonexistent? DanTex Sep 2013 #82

Yet another comprehension fail pintobean Sep 2013 #84

And I bet the gungeoneers will even believe you! DanTex Sep 2013 #86

Isn't it amazing that billh58 Sep 2013 #94

Sort of like the non-existent Koch brothers who would *never* spend a dime of their own DanTex Sep 2013 #96

I'll take billh58 Sep 2013 #98

Mystery quotes and mystery money pintobean Sep 2013 #105

You do know that billh58 Sep 2013 #111

I'll quote you pintobean Sep 2013 #114

I stand by that statement billh58 Sep 2013 #116

Then, it didn't happen. pintobean Sep 2013 #119

Fortunately, you and your Gungeon billh58 Sep 2013 #125

Outrage? Try amusement. pintobean Sep 2013 #144

Meh. billh58 Sep 2013 #145

No, you don't. pintobean Sep 2013 #146

If the shoe fits... DanTex Sep 2013 #154

Genius. pintobean Sep 2013 #155

And thus you demonstrate (again) that yours is a faith-based movement. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #147

LOL. Kinda ironic to toss that out in a thread where gungeoneers are overtly denying science! DanTex Sep 2013 #153

There's no science (as of yet) to deny, in case you haven't noticed friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #160

I guess planet gungeon still hasn't figured out what a peer reviewed study is. DanTex Sep 2013 #161

And some here still haven't figured out what hearsay and 'argument from authority' are. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #167

Ahh, the buzzwords! The conspiracy theories! DanTex Sep 2013 #168

Feel free at any time to refute what I say, instead of insulting me friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #169

It is technically possible that AJPH skipped the peer review. I can't refute that. DanTex Sep 2013 #170

FYI, I don't 'win' when others are incorrect friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #171

LOL. And you especially don't "win" when you are incorrect... DanTex Sep 2013 #173

I notice neither of you actually quote anybody saying what he claims. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #148

Have you been able to download the actual study? hack89 Sep 2013 #31

Here's some reading to keep you busy. The link between gun ownership and homicide is not new. DanTex Sep 2013 #34

So you have not actually read this study? hack89 Sep 2013 #48

+1 HuckleB Sep 2013 #53

Is it possible to view the actual study without paying for it? hack89 Sep 2013 #29

I think I might conduct a study, base it on already skewed reports and missing data, and sell it. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #62

Whatever you do, don't pintobean Sep 2013 #64

Oh shit! NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #69

why not just contact the professor at BU and ask how you can obtain a copy? CTyankee Sep 2013 #73

I have way too much regular work to do. That's not very high on my list of priorities. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #149

thank you for your nice compliment. CTyankee Sep 2013 #152

I'm pretty sure it was a different member who was asking folks if they have read the study. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #156

you have my apologies. Obviously, I had some confusion over who was saying what... CTyankee Sep 2013 #158

I think there is an important distinction to be made here between the number of guns and ... 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #30

We need to know why these guns kill people. ileus Sep 2013 #47

and why our society allows them to do so easily. CTyankee Sep 2013 #50

No, they don't billh58 Sep 2013 #55

True, some NRA types say such things, but none of them are posting on this board. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #56

Duh! malaise Sep 2013 #65

Another addition to the "no duh" file. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #67

That duh file is getting large nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #71

Well, yes, but.... Turbineguy Sep 2013 #78

This guy is obviously not a real American. pintobean Sep 2013 #80

Good guess, as billh58 Sep 2013 #83

No shit pintobean Sep 2013 #85

because freedom! KG Sep 2013 #91

Yup. And billh58 Sep 2013 #92

No shit fucking gun nut idiots will be too blinded to understand this! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #95

The study makes perfect sense hack89 Sep 2013 #99

outlaw guns gopiscrap Sep 2013 #100

I thought you wanted a serious discussion. Sorry to bother you. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #101

I am very serious gopiscrap Sep 2013 #102

And partly because the Constitution, our president and the Democratic party platform hack89 Sep 2013 #104

I lived for a good portion of my life in Europe gopiscrap Sep 2013 #103

That's because for the most part billh58 Sep 2013 #112

Like pot? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #165

duh spanone Sep 2013 #106

Just a question... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #108

I think the prominence of this is because the NRA gopiscrap Sep 2013 #109

That may be a possibility discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #122

That's not actually the conclusion of the study. DanTex Sep 2013 #110

I didn't really expect that it was discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #126

Gun Violence Costs to Taxpayer dem in texas Sep 2013 #115

Answer: billh58 Sep 2013 #117

Studies have estimated the total dollar cost of gun violence to society upwards of $100 billion DanTex Sep 2013 #123

New Children's Defense Fund Report Highlights NRA's Efforts to Hide the Truth About Guns etherealtruth Sep 2013 #124

Using suicide rates as a proxy for gun ownership is shaky at best NickB79 Sep 2013 #129

They don't use suicide rates. They use fraction of suicides with guns. DanTex Sep 2013 #131

A bit dishonest to use suicide rates as gun violence LittleBlue Sep 2013 #141

Sigh. DanTex Sep 2013 #157

Good data. Now, do gun laws yield fewer guns? Recursion Sep 2013 #150

It's silly to claim we've "never seen it work". DanTex Sep 2013 #159

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