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ocpagu

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107. Don't see any kind of relevance about starting the thread or not.

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:10 PM

Sep 2013

The fact that I agree or disagree with the thread does not determine where I'm allowed to post or not.

Now, this is what you said:

"To use a horrible human rights violation against Gay people to promote a personal political agenda. I see no actual concern or care for the many many Gay people who are suffering. Just a cynical use of the word 'Gay' to attempt to get brownie points WITHOUT having to actually care about Gay rights-- anywhere."

And I do agree with you.

That's exactly what I think when I remember Obama criticizing Russia's government for its homophobic law while remaining in absolute silence about Saudi Arabia and other dictatorships which are still practicing actual KILLING of homosexuals.

But, if I understand, you don't want me to bother you with the gay victims of Arab dictatorships "because I didn't start the thread". Nice.

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Video Depicts Horrific Attack on Gay Man in Russia [View all] William769 Sep 2013 OP

No words maddezmom Sep 2013 #1

OMG. DevonRex Sep 2013 #2

Russian clergy have been known to participate in some of these. That's what I stevenleser Sep 2013 #3

I think we are closer than any one thinks. William769 Sep 2013 #5

Dictatorships are like that. Rex Sep 2013 #4

... William769 Sep 2013 #7

I agree. HappyMe Sep 2013 #16

I don't see him any different then Saddam Hussein. Rex Sep 2013 #17

The rise of crazy religious leaders is very scary. HappyMe Sep 2013 #22

Well when I think about those two words Rex Sep 2013 #23

Exactly. HappyMe Sep 2013 #27

I thank my lucky stars to be born in America. Rex Sep 2013 #29

No kidding. HappyMe Sep 2013 #32

Putin is overwhelmingly popular in Russa LittleBlue Sep 2013 #56

His approval rating is so high because birds of a feather flock together. William769 Sep 2013 #58

Oh, so Russians are all a bunch of homophobics... ocpagu Sep 2013 #66

If the shoe fits.... William769 Sep 2013 #70

Hey, I'm not the altruist LGBT russophobic activist here, sir. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #92

Could have fooled me. William769 Sep 2013 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Sep 2013 #6

Reccing for exposure. This is disgusting. morningfog Sep 2013 #8

The Olympics should boycott Russia. Rex Sep 2013 #9

I support that. I have general disdain for the Olympics anyway. morningfog Sep 2013 #10

They should never be held in a dictatorship imo. Rex Sep 2013 #11

Since they're not going to, I'm boycotting the Olympics and their sponsors. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #21

And it been in continuance Iliyah Sep 2013 #12

And such atrocities are neither investigated nor prosecuted MineralMan Sep 2013 #13

It's a shame on the rest of the world also turning a blind eye. William769 Sep 2013 #14

Yes. Holding up Putin as some sort of hero, MineralMan Sep 2013 #15

It's really horrible. ocpagu Sep 2013 #18

Using a photo of hanged gay men in IRAN to try & make President Obama look worse than Putin is SICK! Turborama Sep 2013 #131

Great detective work, Turborama Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #147

I'm glad you got pizza for this shit...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #150

The Russian people are not happy with Putin's encouraging of this stuff. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #19

Disgusting....I hope we succeed in ruining their Olympic ! Sand Wind Sep 2013 #20

Cher is publicly declining an Olympic invitation in protest closeupready Sep 2013 #24

GTMA! William769 Sep 2013 #36

Because hate crimes are exclusive to Russia and Putin should be made responsible for all of them. ocpagu Sep 2013 #25

Because nobody anywhere ever can chew gum and walk simultaneously. closeupready Sep 2013 #26

The kind of abuse related in the OP... ocpagu Sep 2013 #30

Please quote the laws in the U.S. that relate to the OP William769 Sep 2013 #35

? ocpagu Sep 2013 #39

Deflection doesn't help either. William769 Sep 2013 #40

I'm aware of the law. It's awful, but it doesn't authorize torturing or raping. ocpagu Sep 2013 #44

Ignoring the fact? Guess again. William769 Sep 2013 #45

Well... ocpagu Sep 2013 #96

See here. William769 Sep 2013 #98

Neither do I. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #108

Posted wrong place. William769 Sep 2013 #97

That's ridiculous. Crimes happen against all people everywhere.That is a completely irrelevant point stevenleser Sep 2013 #143

And s/he paid the price for it.... Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #148

And some are still trying to defend her... stevenleser Sep 2013 #152

Nobody is saying that. HappyMe Sep 2013 #28

There is no excuse for violence of this type anywhere FreeState Sep 2013 #33

+1 Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #37

But we're not actually "walking and chewing gum", are we? ocpagu Sep 2013 #41

This isn't my OP - the OP is about Russia and whats going on there FreeState Sep 2013 #43

Very true. HappyMe Sep 2013 #42

But in the US it is a crime that will be prosecuted treestar Sep 2013 #55

What? Where in the OP was Putin even mentioned? maddezmom Sep 2013 #126

But...but..but...what about the US?! France? Israel? Mars? Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #31

That subtle homophobia is already happening in this thread n/t FreeState Sep 2013 #34

Like flypaper, these types of threads are. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #38

And it continues to attract key-jinnglers. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #49

Subtle? (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #62

Good point FreeState Sep 2013 #65

The biases generally stop being subtle once it involves international politics Posteritatis Sep 2013 #68

But that is exactly my point. ocpagu Sep 2013 #81

Saudi excesses do come up here. They don't get defended nearly as actively as Russian ones do. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #82

Now we are all Russiophobes! Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #69

Bullshit. ocpagu Sep 2013 #71

Oh but any gays speaking out against this are Russiophobic? Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #74

No, trying to diminishing what is happening is homophobic n/t FreeState Sep 2013 #76

I agree. ocpagu Sep 2013 #83

You keep bringing up Saudi Arabia in this thread. William769 Sep 2013 #91

My focus is Latin America. I've made some threads already. ocpagu Sep 2013 #111

Thankfully we have non-gay people to tell us this is all really about something else. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #90

Some people are not sophisticated enough to recognize subtle homophobia. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #133

Video Depicts Horrific Attack on Gay Man in Obama's America.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #46

What laws has President Obama passed to incite that crime? William769 Sep 2013 #48

Obama signed NDAA law... ocpagu Sep 2013 #57

Grasping at straws! Well at least your trying. William769 Sep 2013 #59

You got no answer right? I assumed that. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #64

That was the only answer. It 's just not what you wanted to hear. William769 Sep 2013 #72

No answer there. ocpagu Sep 2013 #85

Just asked Mrs. Junkdrawer(a BIG gay rights friend for the 22 yrs. I've known her): Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #87

It has nothing to do with Syria, we've been posting about this all year FreeState Sep 2013 #99

There's one big problem with that logic... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #106

It's a stats thing. Here's a DU Goggle search. See the time trend? Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #113

I saw that there were threads from January and May in there. Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #118

Some. Very few. Look, I've been on DU a LONG time... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #121

I've also been on DU a LONG time.... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #127

You are "minimizing" though. MADem Sep 2013 #128

The laws were not passed until June of this year. William769 Sep 2013 #129

The straws broke and they drowned.... Turborama Sep 2013 #141

... William769 Sep 2013 #142

Oh please. HappyMe Sep 2013 #51

Putin's thug-dictatorship has laws on the books that make it "OK" to hate on gays. MADem Sep 2013 #52

I was under the impression that the law in question makes... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #53

Oh, so it's not okay to hate on them, just to proscribe their activities and existence. Got it. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #63

No, you don't Got it. n/t Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #67

'Propagandizing gay culture' to anyone under eighteen MADem Sep 2013 #84

He knows very well what going on. William769 Sep 2013 #54

Well, all I can say is, he's certainly MADem Sep 2013 #86

Didnt know Obama was looking into taking children away from Gay parents FreeState Sep 2013 #60

Here is great read from Cher...... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #47

Gay rights must be universal Stupefacto Sep 2013 #50

Just sick. These attackers are just insane. gtar100 Sep 2013 #61

Jesus. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #73

Look at some of the posts in this thread. William769 Sep 2013 #75

Yeah, some people here seem chronically unable to get away from "my side-your side" type thinking. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #78

I agree wholeheartedly with everything but one thing you said there... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #110

I'm not an expert on Russia, by any means. Still I think there has been some anti-Democratic moves Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #112

Impartial international observers gave mixed reviews to the last Russian presidential election. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #134

It's a blatant attempt ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #93

Exactly! William769 Sep 2013 #95

Exactly! ocpagu Sep 2013 #100

Who started this thread, you? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #105

Don't see any kind of relevance about starting the thread or not. ocpagu Sep 2013 #107

Oh bullshit ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #109

I'm trying to bring the subject to discussion. ocpagu Sep 2013 #114

Derailment is only childish for the one doing it. ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #117

Your answer is empty. Your only "argument" is name-calling. ocpagu Sep 2013 #119

Yup ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #122

Again, nothing but name calling. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #124

Yes, a classic case of trollish thread derailment. And for the purpose of bigot apologia no less. stevenleser Sep 2013 #144

Saudi Arabia isn't hosting the world--including the Big Gay World--for the Olympics next year. MADem Sep 2013 #130

Why can't we grant political asylum to all of Russia's gay people? Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #77

Your right it's all about what's happening to a group of people William769 Sep 2013 #79

There are countries that do include sexual orientation as a reason for asylum. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #80

That is an excellent idea ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #102

The State Department eased the rules for Russian LGBTs in 2012. DevonRex Sep 2013 #149

Good on the State Department, I'm happy to hear this. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #151

Ugh Jfico89 Sep 2013 #88

Welcome to DU and FRP. uppityperson Sep 2013 #89

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #125

Sign the Human Rights Watch petition to the IOC... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #101

Thank you! Many may not have seen this yet. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #103

I hate to admit that I hadn't been paying much attention to the Olympics thing... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #123

Thanks for posting. William769 Sep 2013 #104

I hadn't signed this ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #115

It needs to call for boycott OF the IOC, whose history is vicious and dank Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #116

Don't forget Uzbeckistan MNBrewer Sep 2013 #120

the problem is that nothing is being done to those who commit these acts JI7 Sep 2013 #132

Worse, they're getting "liked" by haters on Russian facebook-equivalent. MADem Sep 2013 #137

flvegan's Blackwater is just one Powerball win or serious donor away. flvegan Sep 2013 #135

horrible Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #136

I've said it once and I'll keep saying it davidpdx Sep 2013 #138

I doubt Russia will ever get over Stalin killing off most of the smart people that lived there. nt Zorra Sep 2013 #139

Putin silently condones this. He's a coward. Dash87 Sep 2013 #140

It's worse than that. He's deliberately using this to increase his power and prestige. stevenleser Sep 2013 #145

Heres a great piece you'll find interesting. William769 Sep 2013 #146