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60. people are asking for a step BEYOND a mere statement. nt

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Hey guys let's support this message when it comes to rape [View all] Arcanetrance Sep 2013 OP

Speaking as a woman, Suich Sep 2013 #1

It needs to be posted we are the only ones that can stop rape Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #3

I don't rape and have never raped LittleBlue Sep 2013 #2

I've never raped either but it still remains fact the majority of rapists are male Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #5

I don't know how old you are, but I do think you may be misreading the demographics on DU a tad. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #8

I'm 26 I know there's a lot of guys my age here Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #11

Yeah, I mean "tell guys in the locker room and at the parties that rape isn't cool" Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #15

i dont know warren, how about TEACh our sons. since you are no longer of the age, it is time we seabeyond Sep 2013 #32

And what makes you think I don't? It's presumptuous to think that, isn't it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #43

YOU were whining about not being of the age or circumstance where anything would be relevant. seabeyond Sep 2013 #48

I 'get all whiney'? No, I don't. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #52

kinda like suggesting the message is men that have never raped need to call themselves rapist. seabeyond Sep 2013 #53

And again, that's something only imaginary straw Warren said. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #61

you were interpreting it another way warren, where you were opposed to the word "responsibility" so seabeyond Sep 2013 #66

I said I agreed with the OP. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #68

ya... right. go with the pictures now that you ran around in circles for a half hour seabeyond Sep 2013 #70

Hey, you're a bit younger than my son, JimboBillyBubbaBob Sep 2013 #27

Yeah because that was the intended message of this Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #47

There are men raising sons on this board BainsBane Sep 2013 #19

Like I said, I support the message that rape is unacceptable. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #24

Who said "that all men are responsible for rape"? Precisely Sep 2013 #31

the message says "it's time for us to take responsibility", which can be interpreted several ways. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #49

right warren cause the message would be asking men who NEVER raped to take responsibility for RAPE seabeyond Sep 2013 #51

isn't that what you did? Precisely Sep 2013 #54

Then let me say again, I think that men absolutely have a responsibility to spread the message that Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #57

people are asking for a step BEYOND a mere statement. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #60

Please elaborate. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #62

Who doesn't know that?! Precisely Sep 2013 #63

According to some people in this thread, not knowing that is rampant. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #64

I think society in general participates in perpetuating rape culture BainsBane Sep 2013 #75

The demographics include plenty of fathers who should be educating their sons, pnwmom Sep 2013 #89

I can support the statement LittleBlue Sep 2013 #10

I believe it is the responsibility of a community and a civil society BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #20

Here it is Precisely Sep 2013 #33

Here's how it often plays out BainsBane Sep 2013 #21

None of that applies to me LittleBlue Sep 2013 #25

fuck fellow man... right? no skin off yoru nose. hey.. progressive board, democrats, any of this seabeyond Sep 2013 #35

I'm a progressive therefore LittleBlue Sep 2013 #91

you really have not read anyones post trying to educate you beyond your wrongness in interpretation, seabeyond Sep 2013 #94

I'm not in the least bit interested in LittleBlue Sep 2013 #119

i am well aware you will be the first to high five a sexist post. and that you are not the intended seabeyond Sep 2013 #122

Move Forward in the Now and the Future. "Collective responsibility" is for historians. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #113

You aren't making any sense LittleBlue Sep 2013 #116

If you keep knocking "collective responsibility for past crimes", it's as if you avoid real issues. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #121

Interesting game you play LittleBlue Sep 2013 #124

I never accused males of "collective responsibility". Not my game. Nor have I blamed you. nt. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #126

HELL YES AND THANK YOU!!! bettyellen Sep 2013 #159

So in other words, why should you give a damn BainsBane Sep 2013 #76

Replace "give a damn about" with "take responsibility for" LittleBlue Sep 2013 #118

Yes, it affects future relationships. Including careers. Ilsa Sep 2013 #67

It also affects her children BainsBane Sep 2013 #81

+100 nt Ilsa Sep 2013 #83

Not responsibility for crimes; take responsibility for being part of the solution. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #98

women commit sexual assualt too, against women and men Californeeway Sep 2013 #90

bah hahaha. well, men commit OVER 98% of rape. women UNDER 2%. certainly wouldnt want to be like... seabeyond Sep 2013 #92

men don't ever report it when it happens Californeeway Sep 2013 #102

find me one feminist or anyone for that matter that has stated a woman has never sexually assaulted. seabeyond Sep 2013 #107

you just got done saying only 2% of rapists are women Californeeway Sep 2013 #117

are you saying a significant amount of women are raping men, comparable to men raping? is this what seabeyond Sep 2013 #120

I'm saying Rape is wrong Californeeway Sep 2013 #125

Ah. Man bashing. So it really was all about a derail. See, thinking you are clever but seabeyond Sep 2013 #127

Seabeyond is the most consistent voices against rape on this board Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #145

First off let me say I'm a man who has been raped by another male Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #144

Neither have I. But I've had close friends who've been raped. And worse. Buns_of_Fire Sep 2013 #12

Exactly Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #13

we men tend to shrug off with a wink and a nod the "playas" who live their lives.... Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #16

That's a generic "we," of course. I was afraid that might be misinterpreted. Buns_of_Fire Sep 2013 #28

or how often what is being said goes right over ones head, because they too are so conditioned in seabeyond Sep 2013 #41

Maybe roofies weren't a thing in your day? Precisely Sep 2013 #34

I guess, it just sounds to me like something out of an after-school special, not reality. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #38

well look man... here you did exactly what people, women and the OP suggests. how much, did it hurt? seabeyond Sep 2013 #37

we do? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #39

damn... per this thread so innocent, naive and certainly not a part of the real world. not heard a seabeyond Sep 2013 #44

What in the blue blazes are you talking about? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #45

well yes, they have. no i am not hunting it down. du2, 12 yr old stripper in dallas thread if you seabeyond Sep 2013 #50

No, I don't remember that thread. Hopefully whoever said that has been banned. But in answer to your Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #55

ya. right. and havent heard the get em drunk chant either? or anyone using roofies? seabeyond Sep 2013 #59

sigh Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #65

ah.... now some pictures to derail and dismiss this Op and the subject. nothing like consistency. seabeyond Sep 2013 #69

Well, I'm sure your friends iverglas and Eloriel over at the other board applaud your efforts. opiate69 Sep 2013 #132

Well, whatever world you live in, ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #77

hey... us women do NOT have the option of staying in the dark of what a roofie is. we had better seabeyond Sep 2013 #79

And that is the typical response >>>> oldhippie Sep 2013 #95

you dismiss with lack of interest a drug regularly being used to rape girls and you have an issue seabeyond Sep 2013 #97

OK, so I learn that it's a drug ........ oldhippie Sep 2013 #115

Sigh MattBaggins Sep 2013 #17

You take responsibility for rape culture. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #18

How far are you willing to go with collective blame? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #23

Perhaps its a fine line, but taking responsibility for one's actions includes bhikkhu Sep 2013 #29

Blame or responsibility? Precisely Sep 2013 #36

as a white person, i certainly do. as a upper class, you betcha. as a christian... hell ya. seabeyond Sep 2013 #46

"collective blame" is a red herring. Progressively join the collective solution. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #111

THIS should be an OP. I might steal everything you have written here and make an OP of it. bettyellen Sep 2013 #160

Steal away. Let me know if you do. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #163

Well, since men are predominately the perpetrators of those crimes as well, CrispyQ Sep 2013 #167

You got one thing right LittleBlue Sep 2013 #168

What's this about Tosh and the audience? elucidate my dear Watson. nt raccoon Sep 2013 #73

Tosh claims that he was trying to make the point that unfunny things can be funny. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #169

"not one man in that audience stood up & told Tosh to go fuck himself."go against the bro code. why, seabeyond Sep 2013 #78

If you lack imagination, listen up: fight rape culture when you encounter it by speaking up. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #96

but the thing, these few men live in such a world they have never seen or heard this and are seabeyond Sep 2013 #101

Yes, it's a self-reinforcing slam that keeps their hermetically sealed bubble intact. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #105

It's a bit like the woman's partner in this cartoon: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #104

I have a suggestion about how you can take responsibility: Squinch Sep 2013 #129

You're wrong LittleBlue Sep 2013 #130

You're wrong. Prove to me that you didn't encourage that poster Squinch Sep 2013 #133

Burden of proof is on you LittleBlue Sep 2013 #135

Burden of encouraging a pedophile is on you. You can give me all the rules you learned in Squinch Sep 2013 #136

"Burden of encouraging a pedophile is on you." LittleBlue Sep 2013 #138

You folded like a cheap suit when asked for proof that you didn't encourage a pedophile. Squinch Sep 2013 #140

I am 100% opposed to rape, and I support severe punishment for the crime. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #4

I couldn't agree more no probation no early release of any kind for rapists Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #6

Did you know India has sentenced four men to death by hanging for participating in gang rape? derby378 Sep 2013 #7

Yeah, I'm opposed to the DP, but the criminals in that case deserve the worst punishment available. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #9

They murdered the victim. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #22

By raping that poor girl to death (n/t) derby378 Sep 2013 #26

They tortured the girl to death bhikkhu Sep 2013 #30

The Dp may have somethng mercuryblues Sep 2013 #58

The victim died from the attack. Hence, the death penalty was sought. nt Ilsa Sep 2013 #71

K&r ! Sand Wind Sep 2013 #14

Or at last quit blaming women for their own rapes ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #40

Men who care for women, care about this issue. --nt CrispyQ Sep 2013 #170

Totally agree. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #42

excellent. thank you. pro active. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #56

^^^^^ Precisely Sep 2013 #72

Thank you for posting this Precisely Sep 2013 #74

I honestly didn't expect this big of a shit storm there's so much being read into it that was never Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #80

You're helping educate Precisely Sep 2013 #87

Don't you believe it for a second. No one is really reading that shit into it. They're disrupting. Squinch Sep 2013 #131

Sadly it's pretty much the standard reaction on DU to these kinds of threads. Posteritatis Sep 2013 #143

And we should also mention there are men who are survivors of rape. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #82

I agree I am one of those Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #100

I am as well. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #123

Absolutely BainsBane Sep 2013 #112

This thread is showing 81 responses. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #84

I went to eat I come back and this degenerated I gotta redirect this conversation Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #86

It's a shame the HMWHC* always has to derail, but that Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #88

Domination Precisely Sep 2013 #106

Bingo. MadrasT Sep 2013 #128

Don't know that you can redirect it when the roaches come out to play, but Squinch Sep 2013 #137

It does make me happy there's lots of support for the sentiment Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #141

I actually think there is. Most of those disruptive threads are from the same Squinch Sep 2013 #142

I seem to be missing a lot of these responses too. Shocked, shocked I tell you. Squinch Sep 2013 #139

That must make the thread hard to understand. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #172

Do you sign yourself up for updates from the likes of Bachmann or Beck? Squinch Sep 2013 #176

I agree gopiscrap Sep 2013 #85

Look guys there's a few things that need to be accepted Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #93

RAPE IS WRONG. PERIOD. heaven05 Sep 2013 #99

Yes, yes it is Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #103

true this. heaven05 Sep 2013 #109

I believe in collective guilt. It's karma. Laffy Kat Sep 2013 #108

absolutely. very basic. very simple. my kids at a young age could understand yet adults..... seabeyond Sep 2013 #110

And some Christians still guilt women and Jewish people NickB79 Sep 2013 #161

I'll have to think about that. Laffy Kat Sep 2013 #175

K & R Iliyah Sep 2013 #114

Kick & recommended. William769 Sep 2013 #134

I've never raped a woman, nor have I ever sexually assaulted one... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #146

I'm glad you've never sexually assaulted or raped anyone neither have I Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #147

he is another that consistency derails with these arguments. he knows. must have been an sos in mens seabeyond Sep 2013 #148

You really know how to twist things around... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #150

What you said was feminists ought to feel sorry for the rapist cause they probably feel bad. No seabeyond Sep 2013 #151

It is simpler than you think. The more violent rapists are simply the subset that more often gets bettyellen Sep 2013 #162

+1000. nt raccoon Sep 2013 #178

love how this thread is full of guys who *think* they know better- off the tops of their heads bettyellen Sep 2013 #179

K & R TDale313 Sep 2013 #149

Same old shit. 99Forever Sep 2013 #152

If you truly feel it's the same old shit why bother posting Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #153

This is a forum. 99Forever Sep 2013 #154

You're right this is a forum where people converse Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #155

You read wrong. 99Forever Sep 2013 #164

I'm neither morally superior nor a moral crusader Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #165

^^^^^^ Precisely Sep 2013 #166

... CrispyQ Sep 2013 #171

You are spot on. 2theleft Sep 2013 #173

As a guy i learned if my opinions make me unpopular with my fellow men so be it Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #174

That's not the point Precisely Sep 2013 #156

What exactly is that man's shadow supposed to be? Silent3 Sep 2013 #157

To be perfectly honest being visually impaired it gets hard to make out picture details Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #158

A minotaur, by the looks of it. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2013 #177

or that hidden within is a beast? Precisely Sep 2013 #180